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Meeting started Fri Sep 16 15:03:05 2011 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting |
| 15:03 |
walterbender |
Can the slob members please ack? |
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is present |
| 15:04 |
cjb |
ack |
| 15:04 |
icarito_web |
present |
| 15:04 |
walterbender |
bernie? |
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SeanDaly |
hi all |
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walterbender |
alsroot? |
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CanoeBerry? |
| 15:06 |
alsroot |
is here |
| 15:06 |
bernie |
walterbender: present |
| 15:06 |
walterbender |
OK. we have quorum |
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I prepared a link: |
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#link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/O[…]inutes-2011-09-16 |
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icarito_web: I didn't get a chance to extract the info from the Local Lab reports... |
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so let's start with Teams? |
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#topic team reports |
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Cerlyn <Cerlyn!~cerlyn 173-12-75-9-miami.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #sugar-meeting |
| 15:07 |
walterbender |
It was an interesting exercise this morning extracting all of the goals and concerns into one big table |
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my overall impression is that our biggest issues are resources and feedback |
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before we begin discussing, let me just say thanks to all of the team leaders for submitting such thoughtful reports |
| 15:09 |
cjl |
walterbender: I would suggest a section on reports detailing interteam interactions. I tried to do that in my last section. It's a way o fseeing differnt perspectives on how they interact. |
| 15:09 |
garycmartin |
walterbender: (I should make a SOM of the reports later) |
| 15:09 |
walterbender |
cjl: yes... good point... a lot of requests to interact with the Design Team especially |
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garycmartin: it'd be interesting |
| 15:10 |
cjl |
If requests on one side outweig hresources or interest on the other side, ti requires action. |
| 15:10 |
SeanDaly |
hee hee or lack of interaction with Marketing Team |
| 15:11 |
walterbender |
maybe we can quickly walk through the short-term goals first? Any red flags? |
| 15:11 |
cjl |
SeanDaly: The Translation Team would be happy to host PR materials for Marketing. |
| 15:11 |
walterbender |
#link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/O[…]#Short-term_goals |
| 15:12 |
SeanDaly |
cjl: that would be extremely helpful |
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| 15:13 |
wernerio |
Hello to all, regards from Chile |
| 15:13 |
walterbender |
regarding the education team. there are a couple of reports that Claudia and I are working on |
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with lots of feedback from the various deployments |
| 15:13 |
cjl |
Walter, I'd like to understand connection between EdTeam content sharing and PlatformTeam software sharing. I think ther eis a TransTeam opportunity in there somewhere. |
| 15:14 |
icarito_web |
welcome wernerio glad you could make it |
| 15:14 |
wernerio |
:) |
| 15:14 |
cjl |
I.E. do .xol library packages belong in ASLO. |
| 15:14 |
walterbender |
cjl: yes... there are several design/platform/infrastructure/edu topics (all of which need i18n) |
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cjl: it is more than that... sharing activity output... classroom experiences... |
| 15:15 |
cjl |
And the long-term issue of what is the best "Poolte-equivalent" for content. |
| 15:15 |
walterbender |
cjl: and there is moruki's book project |
| 15:15 |
cjl |
yes |
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walterbender |
we really need a bit of glue for uploading from the Journal a la Scratch |
| 15:15 |
bernie |
cjl: i think we should get rid of xol support in sugar, it's hardly used and it's not functional |
| 15:16 |
cjl |
ok, bernie. maybe tag that for follow up. |
| 15:16 |
walterbender |
bernie: there is the detail of how we support content vs the need to support content |
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bernie: I think the need to support content is there and .xol is just a placeholder |
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alsroot |
thinks that maybe we need to collect all such Qs to discuss them later, on a make-a-glue-between-teams meetings |
| 15:17 |
walterbender |
alsroot: +1 |
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alsroot: maybe a specific meeting on this topic |
| 15:17 |
bernie |
walterbender: most content comes in the form of documents in the journal, like pdf. |
| 15:18 |
cjl |
bernie for instance this is a TransTeam long term goal 'Work on providing i18n tools and training to deployments to facilitate the sharing locally developed Sugar-based materials across deployments / languages." |
| 15:18 |
walterbender |
bernie: ta projects... and lots of metadata |
| 15:18 |
bernie |
walterbender: xol's are being used just to bundle up some html pages... which could be done with a journal object (like a microsoft chm file, for example) |
| 15:18 |
walterbender |
bernie: e.g. what did I use this for, with whom? how well did it work? |
| 15:18 |
cjl |
Ther eis a lot of meat there, more than we can chew today. |
| 15:19 |
walterbender |
bernie: it is a bigger topic than just ditching .xol, which I think we have consensus on |
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SeanDaly: what is the status of the new website? |
| 15:19 |
bernie |
cjl: indeed, i guess we can't discuss this topic now |
| 15:20 |
icarito_web |
what can we discuss now? |
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SeanDaly |
Christian has prepared alpha mockups (lorem ipsum text, placeholder images). He has asked me to organize harvesting/creating content for the site |
| 15:20 |
icarito_web |
every topic is long |
| 15:21 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: today is to identify topics for more detailed discussion |
| 15:21 |
SeanDaly |
re website, I took 5 mnutes at SugarCamp last weekend to show mockups |
| 15:22 |
garycmartin |
bernie: in Paris we talked again about supporting zip bundles in Browse, so the content is manageable via the Journal. |
| 15:22 |
walterbender |
SeanDaly: can you post them? |
| 15:22 |
icarito_web |
ok can we quickly mention teams that did not respond? seems bug squad and deployment team are dormant? |
| 15:22 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: important point |
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SeanDaly |
walterbender: will do, they will be here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/M[…]ting_Team/Website |
| 15:22 |
bernie |
garycmartin: +100 |
| 15:22 |
cjl |
To mix metaphors and aphorisms, I think we have enough descriptions from the blind men t oknow we are touching an elephant, how you eat an elephant is "one bite at a time". |
| 15:22 |
icarito_web |
also development team |
| 15:23 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: erikos and I were discussing the development team yesterday |
| 15:23 |
cjl |
icarito_web: I would not call bug squad dormant while the Wellington testers are stil lactive. |
| 15:23 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: I was arguing it was dealing with two topics: releases, which he and silbe are on top of and future, which the Prague meeting is looking at |
| 15:24 |
icarito_web |
cjl: do they need or use the bug squad infrastructure? |
| 15:24 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: but he argued we shouldn't compartmentalize |
| 15:24 |
cjl |
Maybe better integration is needed with tabitha for Bug Squad. |
| 15:24 |
SeanDaly |
website: alpha mockup online on Christian's personal site here: http://www.christianmarcschmid[…]arlabs/index.html |
| 15:24 |
walterbender |
in any case, the fact that the team is not operating as a unit is a concern. |
| 15:24 |
icarito_web |
i'm not saying nobody is hunting for bugs or doing development, just wondering about the organs |
| 15:25 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: re deployment team, it is non-existent right now... maybe it should be subsumed by the local labs? |
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#link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/M[…]ting_Team/Website |
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#link http://www.christianmarcschmid[…]arlabs/index.html |
| 15:26 |
icarito_web |
walterbender: maybe |
| 15:26 |
cjl |
walterbender: Since there aren't too many sugar-only non-xo deployments fo scale, I think Local Labs and interaction with OLPC covers deployment. |
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But again, how to tie it together. |
| 15:27 |
walterbender |
cjl: yes and no... if it is not integrated with the rest of SL, then the other teams don't have a way to know what is happening... the feedback issue again |
| 15:27 |
cjl |
acked |
| 15:27 |
walterbender |
finding a way to close the loop with deployments is *the* key issue |
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icarito_web: can we have a LL meeting to discuss this? |
| 15:28 |
icarito_web |
there is a need of a coordination between local labs |
| 15:28 |
alsroot |
btw, is there LocalLab <-> Deployment strong relation? |
| 15:28 |
icarito_web |
alsroot: precisely not necesarily |
| 15:28 |
walterbender |
alsroot: I think in most cases, but not every case |
| 15:29 |
icarito_web |
walterbender: i think it would be wise, we have wernerio, raffael and gustavoibarra with us today |
| 15:29 |
alsroot |
I mean if there are big deployments, they might be represented by Local Labs on SL level |
| 15:29 |
walterbender |
alsroot: some deployments, e.g., Peru, are very hard to get feedback from since they operate in their own world |
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icarito_web: I am sure you have an opinion :P |
| 15:30 |
icarito_web |
yes it seems walterbender is a bottleneck in some instances |
| 15:30 |
cjl |
Another follow-up topic identified, but I'd happily listen to Local Labs that are here, now. |
| 15:30 |
icarito_web |
;-) |
| 15:31 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: I am the bottleneck? can you please elaborate? was I 'licking cookies'? |
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#action follow up meeting to look at content support (including activity output and commentary) |
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#action follow up meeting re content for the new website |
| 15:32 |
icarito_web |
walterbender: I think there may be a situation of confusion with your role at OLPC |
| 15:32 |
walterbender |
#action follow up meeting re deployment team <--> local labs |
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icarito_web |
local labs expect their executive director to represent them |
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this has been raised by gabriel as well |
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(gabriel from uy) |
| 15:33 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: maybe you can explain how advocating for Sugar at OLPC is a conflict? |
| 15:34 |
cjl |
icarito_web: I believe Walter may often the one be approached , but in my experience, he acts as a conduit, not a bottleneck. |
| 15:35 |
icarito_web |
when there are requirements from the deployment, ED should point them to the local team instead of offering OLPC services |
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also the other way around, when the local lab demands action regarding a specific problem, (root access in uy) walter has the channels for communicating |
| 15:36 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: I don't recall any instance of my doing that... but perhaps Gabriel knows something I do not know |
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icarito_web: in that specific case, I have talked myself blue to Ceibal... but I cannot move mountains |
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icarito_web: I suppose my suggesting to OKIDATA to speak with AC about Sugar support was a mistake? |
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I should have referred them to Ceibal Jam? |
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but in fact, AC was already speaking to them and I just further encouraged them |
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icarito_web: in any case, this is off topic unless you think that I am the reason we don't get feedback from deployments |
| 15:38 |
icarito_web |
walterbender: I don't know about that specific action - in my opinion, SL should refer to local labs by default |
| 15:39 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: and I don't know of any instance except the one I just mentioned where that has not been the case |
| 15:39 |
icarito_web |
we're talking strategy for local labs so this is something present in the peru report under constraints |
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walterbender: for instance training in peru that you did |
| 15:39 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: Peru is a great example of where I am trying to get the ministry to work with the local lab on translation |
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SeanDaly |
receiving, collating, reporting feedback from multiple deployments is a lot of work; to start out we would probably want small but standardized queries? |
| 15:40 |
icarito_web |
that is a pretty clear example of parachute |
| 15:41 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: and trying to tie in SL central, i.e., cjl's team |
| 15:41 |
icarito_web |
walterbender: but you must admit your i claims to "trying to get the ministry" have not been very effective |
| 15:41 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: I don't understand that expression |
| 15:41 |
icarito_web |
we need to find sustainable solutions outside the ministry |
| 15:42 |
cjl |
icarito_web: We need both |
| 15:42 |
icarito_web |
we're organizing a sugar camp in lima in November, I think Sugar Labs should find sponsorshipt to travel for local labs coordinators |
| 15:42 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: I have no argument there, but (1) I don't see how I am the problem as per your earlier assertion -- please explain; and (2) I think it cuts both ways... the local labs are not always cooperative to the ministries either |
| 15:43 |
icarito_web |
cjl: yes we need a valid counterpart to the ministry |
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in this sugar labs can help validate local labs |
| 15:44 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: for example, after three years of asking the MoE to take Quechua and Aymara seriously, and in highlighting the great work in Puno, they -- with pressure from the new administration -- are ready to act. But the community has not responded to their or our requests :P |
| 15:44 |
icarito_web |
walterbender: please don't take it personally - my mistake for not being clear - it is SL Central which is the bottleneck and this board the means to advance the situation |
| 15:44 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: I am willing to take it personally in order to improve... |
| 15:44 |
icarito_web |
walterbender: actually we do respond, preparing an event for november |
| 15:45 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: news to me... cjl, are you in the loop? |
| 15:45 |
icarito_web |
we are moving this event on every level |
| 15:45 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: that is great news... |
| 15:45 |
alsroot |
if I got it right, the major idea, icarito_web is talking about, that LocalLab needs to be the first point to work with when we are talking about sugar related cases in this region |
| 15:45 |
icarito_web |
we need to validate and provide resources for the local labs to take leadership in these issues |
| 15:45 |
cjl |
icarito_web: I am working on prepping everything needed (spanish annotated PO files, glibc locales, etc. |
| 15:45 |
walterbender |
alsroot: that is always been the plan... |
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alsroot: but to make it actionable, we need the deployments to agree... |
| 15:46 |
icarito_web |
cjl: we're working to find funds to invite you |
| 15:46 |
bernie |
is silent for a change, but interested in the current topic |
| 15:46 |
walterbender |
alsroot: I have a hard time convincing them |
| 15:46 |
icarito_web |
walterbender: for deployments to agree we need a level of validation of the local labs |
| 15:46 |
walterbender |
alsroot: but not through lack of trying or because I am trying to generate business for OLPC (or AC) |
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at least from the OLPC perspective, it is my observation that they would like nothing better than more local lab activity |
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icarito_web: validation is important... |
| 15:47 |
icarito_web |
in fact I propose now that we use the funds the sugarlabs has to bring cjl to peru in November, if he agrees |
| 15:48 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: it would help if SL knows more about your meeting |
| 15:48 |
icarito_web |
our objective is to build a dextrose based image including translations to quechua, aymara, shippibo and some local content |
| 15:48 |
cjl |
icarito_web: The fundraising is a kind thought, but I would self fund if I'm available. |
| 15:49 |
cjb |
icarito_web: unfortunately SL doesn't have much money lately |
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I think we decided it's a few thousand, unrestricted? |
| 15:49 |
icarito_web |
cjl: that is great! |
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cjl: we already have committed coordinators for every language |
| 15:49 |
cjb |
(gets into the resources part of the agenda, perhaps) |
| 15:49 |
icarito_web |
walterbender: preliminary working document is at http://openetherpad.org/sugarcamp |
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acaire (laura vargas) has assumed leadership of organizing the event and we already have one sponsor |
| 15:50 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: can you move it to the wiki? |
| 15:50 |
SeanDaly |
yes, the resources issue... |
| 15:51 |
icarito_web |
yes resources are another constraint for local labs as well |
| 15:51 |
walterbender |
before we go into the resources issue, can we finish up with the validation issue? |
| 15:51 |
alsroot |
walterbender: icarito_web: can we form an new #action, and maybe to use it instead of "deployment team <--> local labs" -- /me is just willing to be sure about the sources of discussed issue |
| 15:51 |
icarito_web |
walterbender: no problem we're working on this and will announce real soon, dates are already set for Nov 18,19 |
| 15:51 |
walterbender |
the typical response I get from deployments about local labs is that they (deployments) don't trust their own local people... |
| 15:52 |
cjl |
walterbender: "all politics is local" |
| 15:52 |
walterbender |
so how do I convince .pe or .uy to take their own people seriously, instead of always going to corporate solutions? |
| 15:53 |
icarito_web |
walterbender: the 1 answer I can think of is that SL does trust their own local people |
| 15:53 |
cjb |
icarito_web: obviously; but the question is, how does that help? |
| 15:54 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: I am a bit talken back that you would suggest that we don't |
| 15:54 |
icarito_web |
in any case in a mature setting it seems local people finally get contracted by corporate / global NGO |
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but it shuold be the other way around in my opinion |
| 15:55 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: SL central can continue to try opening doors... and having great results from working locally has got to matter in the long run |
| 15:56 |
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icarito_web: but it seems to have made little difference in .uy to date :( |
| 15:56 |
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icarito_web: I don't know what the answer is... |
| 15:56 |
icarito_web |
walterbender: in the case of Peru it is the moment to generate this change as everything is in the air |
| 15:56 |
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we need to propose the same globally and locally |
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not compete |
| 15:57 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: absolutely... and the first thing that SL central did was to point the MoE back to locals... |
| 15:57 |
cjl |
icarito_web: I would suggest that the Aymara Quechua effort would be an excellent opportunity to show value-added. |
| 15:57 |
icarito_web |
we have a meeting next week with the government |
| 15:57 |
walterbender |
cjl: agreed |
| 15:57 |
icarito_web |
we will present a proposal for working with them |
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as Sugar Labs local lab |
| 15:58 |
cjl |
And t othe extent I can, I will emphasize local solutions. |
| 15:58 |
icarito_web |
cjl: yes the new government is especially open to this, we hope to show with an image we can do this |
| 15:58 |
cjl |
but we can discuss that mor eoff-line |
| 15:59 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: maybe you can explain later how SL central can do things differently... but we should move on |
| 15:59 |
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#topic resources |
| 15:59 |
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a quick minitopic is GSoC $ from 2010 |
| 15:59 |
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we need to decide whether to put it into general funds or let the mentors spend it |
| 16:00 |
cjb |
I think we should stick to our decision to use it for general funds, and reconsider for next year |
| 16:00 |
walterbender |
IMHO, we are needing more general funds right now -- speaking both as a mentor and a SL member |
| 16:00 |
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I need to get back to Bradley with our consensus on this topic |
| 16:01 |
cjb |
shall we vote? |
| 16:01 |
walterbender |
sure... |
| 16:01 |
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cjb: can you draft the question? |
| 16:01 |
cjb |
MOTION: Keep the GSoC 2010 mentor funds as our general funds, as previously decided, revisiting the decision of whether to give some/all of them to the mentors themselves next time we do a SoC. |
| 16:02 |
walterbender |
any further discussion before we vote? |
| 16:02 |
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+1 |
| 16:02 |
icarito_web |
why are we deciding again on this? |
| 16:02 |
bernie |
cjb: +1 |
| 16:02 |
alsroot |
+1 |
| 16:03 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: we finally got the mentor $ from google from 2010 and we need to decide what to do with it |
| 16:03 |
icarito_web |
i think it was mentor's decision |
| 16:03 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: that is not the way the contract is written with google |
| 16:03 |
cjb |
+1 |
| 16:03 |
bernie |
icarito_web: yeah, i thought it was settled already |
| 16:03 |
cjb |
bernie: icarito_web: it was settled, and that Bradley sent us mail saying "hey I wanted to check what you want to do with these funds" |
| 16:03 |
walterbender |
bernie: we settled it for 2009, not 2010 |
| 16:04 |
icarito_web |
walterbender: i think mentors should decide but also that they already had decided |
| 16:04 |
cjb |
icarito_web: no, mentors have never decided what to do with GSoC money for SL. |
| 16:04 |
icarito_web |
i'm +1 for using the funds |
| 16:05 |
cjb |
ok; motion passes |
| 16:05 |
walterbender |
cjb: at one point, 2009, we decided we wanted to put the money into an SL travel fund |
| 16:05 |
icarito_web |
ok |
| 16:05 |
cjb |
walterbender: oh, that's interesting |
| 16:05 |
walterbender |
cjb: but it was a one-off decision |
| 16:05 |
cjb |
I imagine it will be spent on travel again this time too, but it's not restricted to be spent that way |
| 16:06 |
walterbender |
cjb: speaking as a mentor, I think that unrestricted is better |
| 16:06 |
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In any case, we have some fungibility with the few funds we do have... |
| 16:06 |
bernie |
btw, a few days ago someone (christoph?) asked how much funds we do have... which reminds me that we still don't have a treasurer |
| 16:07 |
icarito_web |
how much $ do we have available? |
| 16:07 |
bernie |
shall we try to volunteer christoph or whoever asked the question? :-) |
| 16:07 |
walterbender |
bernie: Hey... I thought yo had voluneteered |
| 16:07 |
bernie |
icarito_web: we could use the ledger command line tool to figure it out |
| 16:08 |
cjl |
http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]ember/014074.html |
| 16:08 |
bernie |
walterbender: no, i had just volunteered to approve expenses up to... $500? can't remember the limit. |
| 16:08 |
cjl |
bernie Can it be done in the Finance activity :-) |
| 16:08 |
icarito_web |
+1 |
| 16:08 |
bernie |
cjl: haha, why not |
| 16:09 |
walterbender |
bernie: I thought you were analyzing all the ledger stuff too... |
| 16:09 |
icarito_web |
bernie: i think you would be perfect for the role, and already accepted responsibility for part of it ;-) |
| 16:09 |
walterbender |
bernie: you have all the data... let's put it into Finance and alsroot can figure out how to share the Journal entry :) |
| 16:09 |
bernie |
walterbender: damn, i'm framed :) |
| 16:10 |
cjl |
thinks dogfooding the financial stuff would be an interesting exercise. |
| 16:10 |
icarito_web |
bernie: you should come too to peru, we need you to build the image for us! |
| 16:10 |
bernie |
i wish we had someone less geeky than me for this role, but anyway... |
| 16:10 |
walterbender |
bernie: now that you work for Corporate America, you have to do these sorts of things :) |
| 16:10 |
icarito_web |
i mean teach us how to do it |
| 16:11 |
bernie |
icarito_web: i really wish i could... i'd love to see peru. |
| 16:11 |
icarito_web |
set aside November 18,19 and we'll see how to make it happen |
| 16:11 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: dsd and pbrobinson have published pretty clear instructions on making builds |
| 16:11 |
cjl |
icarito_web: If by iamge you mean OLPC image, try to get gonzalo maybe |
| 16:12 |
walterbender |
anything else we should cover today? |
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#action bernie to put our financial house in order |
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#action walter to report motion to SFC |
| 16:13 |
icarito_web |
walterbender: yes we need to iterate before the event, there is a content and translation team preparing for this |
| 16:13 |
walterbender |
bernie: you could do the finance stuff in TA... I made a plug in for soles |
| 16:13 |
wernerio |
What will happen with the Local Labs updates?? Just for the record?? Any reflections around them?? |
| 16:14 |
walterbender |
wernerio: we had been talking about it in general terms... |
| 16:14 |
icarito_web |
wernerio: +1 what do you propose? |
| 16:14 |
walterbender |
wernerio: but I would love to hear some specifics from Chile |
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#local labs |
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#topic local labs |
| 16:15 |
bernie |
sorry, i need to go to work now... i'll read the rest later |
| 16:15 |
JT4sugar |
bernie, When the OpenQwaq server gets put up by SugarlabsNDSU this may be a perfect test case for you to set up a Dextrose build classroom that way you can collaborate with them and they can see visually what you are doing. Just a thought |
| 16:15 |
walterbender |
ciao bernardo |
| 16:15 |
bernie |
truly sorry, i was interested in the topic |
| 16:15 |
wernerio |
well, there are some prospection in the short, medium and long race |
| 16:15 |
cjl |
bernieWe'll wait to assign you more jobs :-) |
| 16:15 |
icarito_web |
wernerio: another meeting was proposed for local labs, maybe we should have one per local lab? argentina, uruguay and colombia reports are still missing |
| 16:15 |
bernie |
JT4sugar: where is this going to be? |
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JT4sugar: in north dakota? |
| 16:16 |
wernerio |
I do not know if SL central has its vision to share |
| 16:16 |
JT4sugar |
bernie, Still working on it but Dogi set up a VM for it |
| 16:17 |
wernerio |
walterbender: we don't have much specifics from Chile |
| 16:17 |
JT4sugar |
bernie, Intent is for it to end up in Sugar Labs infrastructure |
| 16:17 |
wernerio |
we are hoping to close a 100 XO purchasing |
| 16:18 |
walterbender |
wernerio: the issue we had discussed earlier was exactly how can SL central improve to help local labs... |
| 16:18 |
icarito_web |
wernerio: reading your report, you mention lack of contact and documentation from other local labs |
| 16:18 |
walterbender |
wernerio: specifically, how can I do a better job of advocating for the local labs when I am in front of the powers that be? |
| 16:19 |
wernerio |
that can permit us to deploy Sugar in a better way. We did a pilot last year with SoaS, very beautiful experience, but not a good solution, its not managable nor scalable |
| 16:19 |
walterbender |
icarito_web, wernerio: OLPC maintains a decent amount of material in .es from the various Latin deployments |
| 16:20 |
icarito_web |
wernerio: SL central has some resources maybe we can use to address your concerns? |
| 16:21 |
wernerio |
icarito_web, wernerio: in the olpc or the SL labs, materioal related to deployments are abundant around tutorials or resources |
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I exppect to see what's gopping on insede the classroom o directly with teachers, what are they doing in language or science class |
| 16:22 |
walterbender |
wernerio: that is only found in blogs at the moment... |
| 16:22 |
wernerio |
after years of deployments in other countriies, there's not much to look at |
| 16:23 |
walterbender |
wernerio: that is one of the reasons I want to be able to upload activity output with metadata: a teacher can say: this is what my kids built and what worked, didn't work |
| 16:23 |
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wernerio: there is some great material in individual teacher blogs... but finding it is very difficult |
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wernerio: you feedback is re-enforcing my belief that we have a systemic problem. |
| 16:24 |
cjl |
+1 |
| 16:24 |
icarito_web |
wernerio: one of our goals in peru is to open and promote the usage of our blog |
| 16:25 |
wernerio |
walterbender: yes, we should have some way to sistematize the deployment experiences, so we can build on top |
| 16:25 |
icarito_web |
there simply isnt a centralized resource |
| 16:26 |
walterbender |
wernerio: there are some blogs (including somos azucar) in the planet |
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wernerio: but not enough of those from teachers |
| 16:27 |
icarito_web |
wernerio: do you propose something specific? would a specialized planet for educational material work? |
| 16:27 |
walterbender |
wernerio: I follow individual teachers, e.g., Rosamel |
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wernerio: but it hasn't scaled well |
| 16:28 |
wernerio |
are these concerns related to the Eeucaion Team?? |
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maybe it's a topic to work there |
| 16:28 |
walterbender |
wernerio: one of the concerns, yes |
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wernerio: and specifically highlightred in the report we are writing |
| 16:29 |
icarito_web |
wernerio: maybe we need a form or some sort of template for sharing experiences? can you or walterbender, or education team do that? |
| 16:29 |
wernerio |
icaritoweb: don't have much to propose, we are doing so little, we don't have machines ... |
| 16:29 |
walterbender |
to me it is the topic of the meeting on content we had already agreed to |
| 16:29 |
alsroot |
icarito_web: wernerio: in case of centralized resource, would be useful to have it on http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Deployment_Team/* pages |
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..centralized resource to share deployment experience |
| 16:30 |
walterbender |
alsroot: we should at least cross reference the OLPC materials |
| 16:30 |
icarito_web |
its not clear teachers will find it there |
| 16:30 |
wernerio |
alsroot: ok, we will try to feed that wiki page |
| 16:31 |
alsroot |
walterbender: in any case, it might be a good chance to make it more systematic, wiki.laptop.org is not a good expample for that |
| 16:31 |
cjl |
In the TransTeam report "There are happily a wealth of materials being developed in local languages by local deployments, unhappily very few of those materials are being upstreamed by re-basing on the most-common English i18n formats. The Education Team and Local Labs should take the lead in identifying suitable materials and advocating for i18n into a format that will work with our existing... |
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...infrastructure and resources (i.e. English msgids). " |
| 16:31 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: it is clear that they won't :P |
| 16:31 |
icarito_web |
alsroot: without leadership the Deployment team is dormant |
| 16:32 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: which is why I was proposing a merger with local labs... |
| 16:32 |
alsroot |
wernerio: Wiki Team coordinator is a good start point for ideas how to make it more systematic |
| 16:32 |
cjl |
Semantic wiki stuff can possibly help, but it isn't easy. |
| 16:32 |
alsroot |
icarito_web: well, if people will work on systemic deployment resources (w/ Wiki Team), it is a good start point |
| 16:32 |
SeanDaly |
another solution, sticky topics in the forum-to-be for teachers on new website |
| 16:32 |
icarito_web |
ok so we can adopt the Deployment team as organ for coordinating local labs |
| 16:33 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: it was put on the table and we agreed to meet later to discuss it (and other possible solutiuons) |
| 16:34 |
icarito_web |
shall we wrap for now and agree on a new meeting specifically for local labs? local labs should dicuss their objectives / reports and make specific recommendations to SL central, IMO |
| 16:34 |
walterbender |
so... alsroot, will you take charge of organizing the content meeting? |
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and icarito_web, will you take charge of organizing the local-labs/deployment meeting? |
| 16:35 |
alsroot |
walterbender: content in what sense, to centralize deployment related info? |
| 16:35 |
wernerio |
icarito: I agree, at least here, our Local Lab is a deployment team :) |
| 16:35 |
icarito_web |
yes I can do that, wernerio raffael gustavoibarra lets dicuss this on list, ok? |
| 16:36 |
walterbender |
alsroot: I think a general discussion to see what the extent of the needs are... |
| 16:36 |
wernerio |
ok |
| 16:36 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: please include North Dakota, etc. |
| 16:37 |
alsroot |
walterbender: sure, but would be useful if you elaborate your ideas a bit :) |
| 16:37 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: and the deployments without local labs, e.g., Nicaragua, Mexico, etc |
| 16:37 |
alsroot |
*idea for "content" |
| 16:37 |
JT4sugar |
walterbender, Think it might be good idea to try and schedule Slobs meeting at least every other week for a while so we can work through these reports and build capability for SL Central, Local Labs, and teams. Much to chat and strategize about. |
| 16:37 |
alsroot |
JT4sugar: +1 |
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| 16:38 |
walterbender |
alsroot: I think we have touched on many different ideas in the team reports and in today's discussion: everything from ebooks to teacher blogs to a repository of work from the kids |
| 16:38 |
cjl |
JT4sugar: SLOBS "town hall" meetings |
| 16:38 |
icarito_web |
walterbender: yes I need contacts for the DC , North Dakota, and Paraguay local labs |
| 16:38 |
alsroot |
walterbender: ok, got it. sure, will try |
| 16:38 |
raffael |
Before the meeting ends. May I ask one question from germany here - may I continue with my learning studios project under the aegis of SL? |
| 16:38 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: we can sort that out offline |
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raffael: can you send a specific proposal to SLOBs? exactly what you'll be doing under the Sugar name? |
| 16:39 |
SeanDaly |
raffael: erikos (Simon) told me at SugarCamp would like to discuss that with you |
| 16:39 |
icarito_web |
raffael: +1 from me, are you asking for official project status? |
| 16:40 |
walterbender |
maybe we can meet in two weeks to (1) discuss Raffael's proposal; and (2) the results of the content and deployment meetings? |
| 16:40 |
icarito_web |
raffael: we're interested in seeing that project succeed and replicate here |
| 16:41 |
walterbender |
raffael: yes |
| 16:41 |
icarito_web |
raffael: we're working in the same direction, count me in your team for that project |
| 16:41 |
alsroot |
walterbender: imho, would be useful to have per-week SLOBS meetings, as JT4sugar proposed, until we sort out all issues regarding team/labs reports |
| 16:41 |
walterbender |
alsroot: OK with me... |
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alsroot: even if we don't have a quorum, we can talk |
| 16:42 |
icarito_web |
alsroot: I think you are right |
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alsroot: in fact every team / lab should have a meeting for them |
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walterbender |
icarito_web: most do... or will again as a result of this fact-gathering process. |
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design meets every monday |
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edu every wednesday |
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activities is up and running again |
| 16:43 |
SeanDaly |
marketing was tuesdays, but aside from working on new website we have problem of no strategy, previous one went down in flames |
| 16:44 |
walterbender |
so let's meet again next friday, the 23rd? |
| 16:44 |
icarito_web |
walterbender: a meeting with the board so that we can talk and give/receive feedback |
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walterbender |
icarito_web: ? |
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icarito_web: is that not what we are doing right now? |
| 16:45 |
icarito_web |
i meant every team should be allocated one meeting , and we shuold have one per week until we cover every team |
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its simply too ambitious to think of covering uruguay and peru in one meeting, let alone other local labs |
| 16:45 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: in theory, each team is suppose to have representation and report at each SLOBs meeting |
| 16:46 |
cjl |
icarito_web: I think a town hall style wiht input from multiple teams is good, even if primary topic is one team/lab |
| 16:46 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: in practice, this is the first time we did it in a long time |
| 16:46 |
icarito_web |
well, i'm proposing each team should be put into the agenda in turns |
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not just a general meeting |
| 16:47 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: seems rigid... why not ask the teams who want longer discussions to ask for a timeslot? |
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icarito_web: why wait 10 weeks for wiki team to be able to speak up? |
| 16:48 |
icarito_web |
i think SL central should provide the leadership and the interest here |
| 16:48 |
cjl |
icarito_web: I can see asking for a meeting focus, but if it is one team at a time, only that team will show up :-( |
| 16:48 |
icarito_web |
it shuold not be exclusive, i.e. many teams will require only little time to be on same page, others maybe the entire meeting |
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i.e. other items can be on agenda |
| 16:49 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: well, SL central is all of us... |
| 16:49 |
SeanDaly |
here's how to get all teams to show up: announce as agenda item that marketing would like 90% of budget :D |
| 16:49 |
walterbender |
and every community member is asked for input each time we schedule a meeting |
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SeanDaly: 90% of 0 is 0 :P |
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SeanDaly |
:D |
| 16:50 |
icarito_web |
ok so instead of scheduling arbitrarily, lets invite teams to request a timeslot |
| 16:51 |
cjl |
plans t olook for the L10n tie-in at every meeting, but doesn't need t obe front-and-center for any. |
| 16:51 |
icarito_web |
i'll do that |
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are we done? |
| 16:51 |
SeanDaly |
I wouldn't mind pitching a new strategy to the community then having it voted on by the SLOBS.. |
| 16:52 |
JT4sugar |
Everyone take a look at www.teleplace.com and look at the OpenQwaq server. This commercial technology was open sourced in May(Originally- Alan Kay was part of project-built on Squeak and Croquet). North Dakota Local Lab- NDSU Comp Sci Dept working on getting set up in Sugar Labs infrastructure hoping this may become the glue that allows us to collaborate in a new enhanced way and stitch together our resources in a way they can b |
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e leveraged down to the classroom. Will keep posted as it evolves in next month hopefully. |
| 16:52 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: go for it... in the meantime, please schedule the LL/Deployment discussion :P |
| 16:53 |
icarito_web |
will do |
| 16:53 |
walterbender |
SeanDaly: love to hear more... |
| 16:54 |
icarito_web |
SeanDaly: yes please |
| 16:54 |
walterbender |
needs to go soon... |
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any other pressing business? |
| 16:55 |
icarito_web |
+1 SL Germany's request |
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also SL Peru would like to request the next slot after that |
| 16:55 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: we need a formal motion before voting |
| 16:56 |
icarito_web |
i did not think we needed a vote to accept a timeslot request? |
| 16:56 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: or was that +1 to discussing it... |
| 16:56 |
icarito_web |
lets just accept it? |
| 16:57 |
walterbender |
icarito_web: so you were saying +1 to SL Germany discussion at the next meeting... |
| 16:57 |
icarito_web |
#info agenda item for Friday 23th meeting - SL Germany feedback and project proposal |
| 16:57 |
alsroot |
SeanDaly: would be useful if intermediate/working variants will be posted on a wiki (and let other pople know where it is) |
| 16:57 |
icarito_web |
same time next week? |
| 16:57 |
JT4sugar |
Suggest next week meeting is on reports. After we all read we should identify constraints-teams-local labs that need most help and begin slotting them on future dates(portion of meeting for these(45min) and other portion for other slobs business(15min) always adjustable. If we work from bottom up(Weaklist link approach) then all benefit and community gets stronger. |
| 16:58 |
SeanDaly |
alsroot: variants of what? |
| 16:58 |
walterbender |
#agreed same time next week (23rd at 15UTC) |
| 16:58 |
alsroot |
SeanDaly: "a new strategy" |
| 16:59 |
SeanDaly |
alsroot: mentioned in my report. I will pitch it to community and work up a wiki page on it |
| 16:59 |
icarito_web |
SeanDaly: we're very interested in strategy proposals |
| 16:59 |
walterbender |
OK. we can finalize the agenda off line. |
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thanks to all who took the time to write reports and to all who came to discuss them., |
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until next week... |
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icarito_web |
thanks all |
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walterbender |
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