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| 16:00 | meeting | Meeting started Wed Aug 3 16:00:36 2011 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 16:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 16:01 | manuq | ok let's start |
| 16:01 | walterbender | If it is OK, why don't we just work our way through http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/D[…]m/Toolbar_Catalog ? |
| 16:03 | start with Abacus? Which will raise two general points we can use later? | |
| 16:03 | manuq | walterbender: ok, go on |
| 16:03 | walterbender | (1) when do we use the gear vs the spanner? |
| 16:04 | IMHO, we should use the spanner for adjusting parameters, and the gear for user-created content | |
| 16:04 | manuq | walterbender: +1 |
| 16:05 | walterbender | in the case of abacus, I am on the fence, leaning towards spanner for creating custom abaci |
| 16:05 | garycmartin | walterbender: If I remember correctly, the spanner was originally only suggested as the gear was already being used for view source. |
| 16:05 | silbe | walterbender: what's the agenda for today? if it's "just" activity toolbars work, I'll skip the meeting (you're doing great without me anyway)... |
| 16:05 | walterbender | garycmartin: we have things that fall somewhere in between |
| 16:05 | manuq | I was looking for a replacement image that means "create" different than the gear, but I have no idea what can be |
| 16:06 | walterbender | silbe: the plan for today was to try to wrap up any toolbar issues |
| 16:06 | garycmartin: abacus is perhaps a bad example, and it should be a spanner | |
| 16:07 | garycmartin: but in cases where you create your own content (or code), e.g., programmable blocks in TA or Memorize games or Visual Match games... it is closer to view source | |
| 16:07 | silbe | walterbender: ok, good. Have fun then! |
| 16:07 | walterbender | garycmartin: I think we could use the gear in those cases |
| 16:07 | manuq | +1 |
| 16:08 | walterbender | ^could^should |
| 16:08 | garycmartin: I think it is important to send a message: make your own | |
| 16:08 | garycmartin | walterbender: I'd rather not try and make a distinction here. I like the gear visual for customising/editing/modifying type features (not the same as create new). |
| 16:08 | walterbender | distinct from the usual setting of parameters |
| 16:09 | garycmartin: so one icon for all? | |
| 16:10 | garycmartin | walterbender: yes, well, the cog could be used on its own or as part of an icon to represent what is being modified. |
| 16:10 | walterbender | garycmartin: can you explain? |
| 16:11 | to me: (spanner): modify temp, humidity parameters in Distance; (gear): create your own cards for Memorize | |
| 16:12 | garycmartin | The cog can in some cases be used as a badge on an existing visual (quickly looking for an example) |
| 16:14 | walterbender: For distance, the cog would seem better. Memorize could be the memorise icon with a cog badge overlaid. | |
| 16:14 | walterbender | garycmartin: I used the cog in Sliderule as a badge |
| 16:15 | garycmartin: I don't follow the distinction you are trying to make between cog and spanner | |
| 16:16 | manuq | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/D[…]Catalog#Sliderule |
| 16:16 | walterbender | or icon vs badge |
| 16:17 | garycmartin | walterbender: I'd rather not end up in a cog vs spanner discussion every time an activity allows some modification feature. Better just drop the spanner and stick with the cog, with the cog occasionally being used as part of icon from time to time when needed. |
| 16:17 | walterbender | garycmartin: OK. that I grok. |
| 16:18 | garycmartin | walterbender: Sliderule, yep exactly, the cog being used with the ruler edge is a great example. |
| 16:18 | walterbender: sorry, a little slow getting going today :) | |
| 16:18 | walterbender | garycmartin: then the other distinctions we need to sort out are play new game vs create new game: star vs gear? |
| 16:18 | as a badge? | |
| 16:19 | #agreed Better just drop the spanner and stick with the cog, with the cog occasionally being used as part of icon from time to time when needed. | |
| 16:20 | manuq | ok! |
| 16:20 | for the start/play we can use the star, and for the create/modify, we can use the cog | |
| 16:20 | walterbender | manuq: works for me. |
| 16:21 | gary? | |
| 16:21 | manuq | will the star be a good icon in itself? or always as part of another picture? |
| 16:22 | walterbender | manuq: that is a question I was going to ask as well... we are inconsistant there |
| 16:22 | garycmartin | walterbender: A star used as a badge is a good 'new' metaphor (and fairly standard on other platforms), but 'new what' is the question. I guess create new and play new can be different base icons badged with the star? |
| 16:22 | walterbender | manuq: and we use different stars |
| 16:23 | manuq | a while ago I did a crazy icon for "play" that is different than "play media" |
| 16:23 | http://dev.laptop.org/~manuq/etc/play-xo.png | |
| 16:23 | like a kid playing | |
| 16:23 | walterbender | manuq: a kid playing futbol |
| 16:24 | manuq | but is risky, I don't think that a reuse of the XO will be a good thing |
| 16:24 | walterbender | manuq: in nord, the kid would be throwing a ball :) |
| 16:24 | manuq | walterbender: he he |
| 16:24 | garycmartin | (by 'star' I'm thinking not thinking of the favourite solid star shape, but more a sparkle) |
| 16:25 | walterbender | garycmartin: we use the favorites star for new game in, for example, implode |
| 16:25 | manuq | walterbender: ugh |
| 16:25 | garycmartin | walterbender: yea, and I've never thought that a good idea... |
| 16:26 | walterbender | garycmartin: I am happy to use the activity icon with a sparkle badge for new game |
| 16:26 | garycmartin | The big five pointed solid star needs to stay as our favourite/bookmark type metaphor. |
| 16:26 | manuq | limited english makes him wonder what a sparkle is |
| 16:26 | walterbender | but what about load new game? journal icon with activity badge? Like in Memory? or activity icon with Journal badge? |
| 16:27 | gonzalo | hi, am back |
| 16:27 | walterbender | manuq: the star used on the Memory icon |
| 16:27 | gonzalo: do you need the backlog? | |
| 16:27 | gonzalo | the star is used for favorites |
| 16:27 | manuq | walterbender: thanks |
| 16:27 | gonzalo | walterbender: no, thanks, reading now |
| 16:27 | walterbender | garycmartin: I think we are close to consensus on these details. |
| 16:28 | garycmartin | manuq: sparkle, as in the three small stars you placed under the timer clock icon |
| 16:28 | walterbender: yep | |
| 16:28 | manuq | garycmartin: ok thanks |
| 16:29 | garycmartin: walterbender: a wiki page with the icons attached to the posible uses will be nice | |
| 16:29 | walterbender | garycmartin: when a badge and when standalone? e.g., should implode use the Implode icon with a sparkle or just a large sparkle for new game? |
| 16:30 | manuq: see http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Walter | |
| 16:30 | gonzalo | garymartin, walterbender, manuq, sorry i think the cog does not work in all cases |
| 16:30 | walterbender | gonzalo: we agreed on some wiggle room, but when specifically did you have in mind? |
| 16:31 | gonzalo | walterbender: for example, in Record, we use the spanner, to set the parameters top create new media |
| 16:32 | walterbender: for example, and in Distance the parameters to do the new measurements | |
| 16:32 | garycmartin | walterbender: I'm not sure a large sparkle will work on it's own. Perhaps a 'play' icon with a sparkle (the sparkle to me just says 'new' so we need to indicate 'new what?'). |
| 16:32 | walterbender | garycmartin: OK... we should just agree on something consistant |
| 16:33 | gonzalo: I'm happy either way regarding your examples: spanner or gear. Gary was suggesting having both would lead to too much deliberation | |
| 16:34 | garycmartin | gonzalo: I think Record should be using the cog, not the spanner (same for Distance). |
| 16:34 | walterbender | I have one more question of a general nature and then perhaps we can move through the list? |
| 16:35 | gonzalo | garycmartin: i don't think so. Record produce a produce a collection of media, if we endable the user to see the source in any way will be this collection |
| 16:36 | and the cog is the source or a better representation of the source in my view | |
| 16:36 | the spanner should be a configuration tool | |
| 16:36 | no a creation tool | |
| 16:36 | walterbender | gonzalo, garycmartin: to me the distinction is generally between configuration and user-generate |
| 16:37 | which was why I was arguing for the two icons earlier | |
| 16:37 | gonzalo | walterbender: yes, i think is not the same thing |
| 16:37 | walterbender | but if we have to live with just one, I'd say the gear |
| 16:39 | gonzalo | garycmartin, i am sorry of going back with a already taken decision, but i think is important |
| 16:39 | garycmartin | seems like a continuum for me. Having two different icons at each extreme just means we keep having to decide where to draw the line between each time. |
| 16:39 | walterbender | garycmartin: I think it is pretty obvious in most cases and not fatal if it is wrong; useful when it is right |
| 16:40 | gonzalo | and i can imagine cases where we will need the two icons too :) |
| 16:40 | walterbender | garycmartin: in most cases, I think we will end up with the geat |
| 16:40 | ^geat^gear | |
| 16:41 | garycmartin: but in cases where is really is simply a matter of adjusting parameters, the spanner makes sense. | |
| 16:41 | garycmartin: then the gear is sending a message to the user: roll your own!! | |
| 16:42 | needs a better metaphor in our smoke-free workplace :) | |
| 16:42 | garycmartin: can we walk though the list and see if we come across cases that are difficult to decide? | |
| 16:43 | garycmartin | walterbender: sure. I'm not clear what decision we just came to. Sounds like a non-decision. |
| 16:44 | gonzalo | garycmartin: we can explain the use of the two icons |
| 16:44 | walterbender | garycmartin: the abacus will be a good test case... |
| 16:44 | manuq | just to make the decission harder, don't forget there is also the scissors for edit |
| 16:44 | garycmartin | gonzalo: spanner for simple configuration, cog for complex configuration?? |
| 16:45 | walterbender | #topic abacus |
| 16:45 | I think the cog is the right choice because it is for the user to create their own version | |
| 16:45 | manuq | +1 |
| 16:45 | garycmartin | +1 |
| 16:46 | walterbender | but I don't like the use of the + icon to indicate more options... |
| 16:46 | any suggestions there? | |
| 16:46 | and the star is wrong. should be the abacus icon with a sparkle to indicate create new | |
| 16:47 | gonzalo | walterbender: or a reload |
| 16:47 | to indicate apply the changes | |
| 16:47 | manuq | so maybe: cog for creating/modifing, posibly creating new instances, spanner for simple configuration |
| 16:47 | walterbender | manuq: +1 |
| 16:48 | gonzalo: this is more of a create than a reload | |
| 16:48 | gonzalo | manuq: and configuration imply setting parameters in the activity, more than creating a different new instance |
| 16:49 | manuq | ok |
| 16:49 | walterbender | any suggestions re the list of additional abaci? |
| 16:49 | sort of could be a combo box I guess | |
| 16:49 | manuq | is checking.. |
| 16:50 | garycmartin | is thinking |
| 16:50 | gonzalo | walterbender: a globe to suggest different cultures? |
| 16:50 | walterbender | gonzalo: binary and hexadecimal are the global hacker cultures :) |
| 16:50 | gonzalo | of course :) |
| 16:51 | cjl | raises hand |
| 16:51 | How much will this Toolbar work impact content of Po files? | |
| 16:51 | walterbender | cjl: not at all |
| 16:51 | cjl | I want to know if I should wait on pushing for updates of POT files. |
| 16:51 | manuq | cjl, we will need to change all the strings |
| 16:51 | joke | |
| 16:52 | cjl | walterbender: Ok, jsut don't want to push and then have to push again. |
| 16:52 | walterbender | we should move on... there are other "list" examples that might spark an idea |
| 16:52 | garycmartin | walterbender: sure (my sugar VM just fell over, restarting it) |
| 16:52 | cjl | can go back to worrying about other things. |
| 16:53 | walterbender | #action: walter to replace star icon in Abacus with badged activity icon |
| 16:53 | #topic browse | |
| 16:54 | actually, one more general question: do we have any standard re order of buttons and toolbars? | |
| 16:54 | manuq | note: for abacus, it would be nice to do the activity icon smaller |
| 16:54 | walterbender | buttons then toolbars (like in abacus) or toolbars then buttons like in Browse? |
| 16:55 | and any order for toolbars? edit then view then... | |
| 16:55 | gonzalo | walterbender: i think a consistent orden should be goog |
| 16:55 | good | |
| 16:55 | edit first | |
| 16:56 | walterbender | gonzalo: then I should switch the order in Abacus |
| 16:56 | to match the order in Browse | |
| 16:56 | manuq | yes, activity icon|edit|view |
| 16:56 | cjl is now known as cjl_afk | |
| 16:56 | gonzalo | walterbender: yes |
| 16:57 | garycmartin | walterbender: sorry, been a while since I played with Abacus. It used to be much simpler last time I looked! |
| 16:57 | walterbender | personally, I like having all the toolbar buttons to the left |
| 16:57 | manuq | +1 |
| 16:57 | gonzalo | walterbender: what is the use of copy/paaste in abacus? |
| 16:57 | walterbender | garycmartin: well, it has too many example abaci... |
| 16:57 | that is what makes it cluttered | |
| 16:58 | garycmartin | walterbender: why are there some examples in the (+) icon and some in the main toolbar? |
| 16:58 | walterbender | gonzalo: to copy the result to the clipboard or to paste a number into the abacus |
| 16:58 | gonzalo | walterbender:ok |
| 16:58 | manuq | garycmartin: I think the main toolbar changes the numerical system in use |
| 16:58 | walterbender | garycmartin: maybe the all belong in the (+) toolbar... |
| 16:58 | garycmartin: but I hate that icon :P | |
| 16:58 | manuq | oops sorry |
| 16:59 | alsroot | m_anish: Re: does that time work? -- yup |
| 16:59 | m_anish | alsroot, great, i'll send out the email :) |
| 16:59 | gonzalo | walterbender: this is a case for a spanner and a cog :) |
| 16:59 | garycmartin | walterbender: Also 'Suanpan' is both in the main toolbar, and in the (+) icon, but each looks a little different. |
| 17:00 | goes to check he has the latest vision on his VM. | |
| 17:00 | walterbender | garycmartin: no. It is only on the main toolbar. |
| 17:01 | garycmartin | walterbender: you're absolutely correct. Sorry for that. |
| 17:02 | gonzalo | walterbender: may be this is a case for a combo with icons, like the timer in Record |
| 17:02 | walterbender | #action: walter will move all the sample buttons to radio buttons on the secondary toolbar |
| 17:02 | garycmartin | walterbender: so you need a nice icon for "examples" rather than the (+) |
| 17:02 | walterbender | gonzalo: yeah... I was think of that tool... but I find combo boxs clumsy to use and hard to discover... |
| 17:02 | garycmartin: yes... | |
| 17:03 | gonzalo: you cannot see everything at once | |
| 17:03 | gonzalo: not if you are partly scrolled down. | |
| 17:03 | gonzalo: but yes... I probably should do it that way anyway :P | |
| 17:04 | gonzalo | walterbender: may be, but in this case is difficult identify the abacus only with the icons |
| 17:04 | walterbender | gonzalo: I'll try it and see how it looks. |
| 17:04 | gonzalo | ok :) |
| 17:04 | garycmartin | walterbender: the edit (scissors) icon should be over on the left as well |
| 17:04 | manuq | also the activity icon for abacus is bigger than others, and spots out in the spiral |
| 17:05 | walterbender | garycmartin: noted. |
| 17:05 | manuq | if you agree, I volunteer to make it smaler |
| 17:05 | gonzalo | manuq: i think walterbender will be happy if you send a better icon :) |
| 17:05 | walterbender | +1 |
| 17:05 | shall we move on... | |
| 17:05 | manuq | #action manuq will do the abacus activity icon smaller |
| 17:05 | garycmartin | walterbender: are there other Activities that need to represent some kind of samples/examples? (like Memorize has some pre made games)? |
| 17:06 | just wondering if this is another standard icon we need. | |
| 17:06 | walterbender | garycmartin: yes... see visual match |
| 17:07 | manuq | tamtam suite has examples also |
| 17:08 | garycmartin | manuq: Yes, I was think TamTam Synth lab should not be using a text document icon. Should at least perhaps be a document icons with a sine wave on it. |
| 17:08 | manuq | garycmartin: yes |
| 17:08 | gonzalo | garycmartin: we have a document with as note too |
| 17:09 | manuq | garycmartin: so maybe using document icon as an addition to other element for "sample"? |
| 17:09 | hmm | |
| 17:09 | walterbender | but we need a meta icon for a collection |
| 17:09 | gonzalo | walterbender: may be a opened box |
| 17:09 | manuq | a box/package? |
| 17:09 | walterbender | a collection of presets, of journal items, of ... |
| 17:09 | gonzalo: with some sort of badge | |
| 17:10 | gonzalo | ye |
| 17:10 | walterbender: yes, we can have a no so big box, so we can add later the badge according the object | |
| 17:11 | garycmartin | I like the 'open box' idea as well, though we avoid 3d shapes, not sure an open box will be clear unless it is shown from an angle :( |
| 17:11 | manuq | so I can work on a proposal for standard sample using a box |
| 17:11 | garycmartin: what about a square with two lines above? | |
| 17:12 | garycmartin | manuq: not very exciting ;-) |
| 17:12 | gonzalo | walterbender, garycmartin, manuq: there are a box in the etoys toolbar |
| 17:13 | walterbender | and turtle art |
| 17:13 | manuq | gonzalo: right |
| 17:13 | garycmartin | So for Memorize, it uses a combo box with text names for the sample games. Would we want to replace that with this new 'collections' visual? |
| 17:14 | manuq | but the box in etoys is in 3d :( |
| 17:14 | gonzalo | garycmartin: mhh, i think adding icons in this combo can be good |
| 17:14 | walterbender | gonzalo: the icons are very small in the combo box |
| 17:14 | gonzalo | i don't know how can be represented a box without perspective |
| 17:15 | maybe a folder is easier | |
| 17:15 | a opened folder | |
| 17:15 | garycmartin | -1 for folder |
| 17:15 | gonzalo | but is not a kid thing , a box is more logic for a kid i think |
| 17:15 | manuq | right |
| 17:16 | maybe a box in one point perspective | |
| 17:16 | I know perspective is not good for icons | |
| 17:16 | garycmartin | +1 for a box. Does need to be 3d/isometric to be clear. |
| 17:17 | manuq | yes |
| 17:17 | gonzalo | ok |
| 17:17 | walterbender: do you agree? | |
| 17:17 | garycmartin | walterbender: what are you using the open box icon for? |
| 17:17 | walterbender | garycmartin: the palette for the boxes used for storing variables... something quite different |
| 17:18 | gonzalo: I agree with the idea of a box and a badge | |
| 17:18 | manuq | yes, that is specific for TA |
| 17:19 | gonzalo | walterbender: may be in the context of TA can be used a badge to substitute the box? |
| 17:19 | garycmartin | walterbender: box & optional badge. Yea, a box with a large enough flat side where another symbol could be placed. |
| 17:19 | manuq | #action manuq will try an isometric box for "samples" |
| 17:19 | gonzalo | manuq: i think the concept is "collections" |
| 17:20 | can be a collection of samples of course | |
| 17:20 | manuq | ok |
| 17:20 | walterbender | moving on |
| 17:20 | any comments re Browse? | |
| 17:21 | 80 minutes and we are on to the 2nd activity :P | |
| 17:21 | gonzalo | walterbender:no about the icons |
| 17:21 | garycmartin | :) |
| 17:21 | walterbender | we'll need some extra time :) |
| 17:21 | #topic calculate? | |
| 17:21 | gonzalo | nop |
| 17:22 | manuq | why don't we better talk about our toolbars work from last days? |
| 17:22 | gonzalo | manuq: i prefer go one by one |
| 17:22 | manuq | gonzalo: ok |
| 17:22 | walterbender | manuq: we could but can we just flag any more activities that need attention in light of our discussion of abacus? |
| 17:23 | manuq | walterbender: ok |
| 17:23 | walterbender | #topic chat |
| 17:23 | OK? | |
| 17:23 | #topic clock | |
| 17:23 | OK? | |
| 17:23 | manuq | ok for me |
| 17:23 | gonzalo | clock save any data in journal? |
| 17:24 | garycmartin ? ^ | |
| 17:24 | garycmartin | gonzalo: It should do, but does not (I'd like it to keep state) |
| 17:24 | walterbender | be nice to be able to copy the current time to the clipboard... |
| 17:24 | but that is out of scope for today | |
| 17:24 | garycmartin | walterbender: +1, also copy out a picture of the current clock face. |
| 17:25 | walterbender | garycmartin: we could do the latter with Alt-1 |
| 17:25 | gonzalo | garycmartin: we discussed have a modifier like ALt-Shift-1 to capture only the canvas |
| 17:25 | walterbender | +1 |
| 17:26 | garycmartin | gonzalo: That would be nice. |
| 17:26 | manuq | yes |
| 17:26 | gonzalo | was suggested by teachers |
| 17:26 | walterbender | gonzalo: I implemented a separate button for that in TA |
| 17:26 | gonzalo: please file a ticket | |
| 17:26 | gonzalo | ok |
| 17:27 | walterbender | looks forward to removing another TA button |
| 17:27 | next? #topic ConstellationFlashCards | |
| 17:27 | a mess but not a priority at the moment, I presume | |
| 17:28 | manuq | yes, not a priority |
| 17:28 | gonzalo | walterbender: no, please continue with the next |
| 17:28 | Distance is not updated in the catalog | |
| 17:28 | walterbender | #topic distance |
| 17:29 | gonzalo | i don't know if you have a XO with distance apdated |
| 17:29 | walterbender | gonzalo: didn't it used to have a copy to clipboard button? |
| 17:29 | gonzalo | walterbender: i don't think so |
| 17:29 | walterbender | only in my dreams :) |
| 17:30 | maybe I'll add it when I add the Smoot toolbar | |
| 17:30 | but I think the new version is good | |
| 17:30 | gonzalo: except, the label text is black and therefore unreadable | |
| 17:31 | icarito has quit IRC | |
| 17:31 | gonzalo | i think the name entry must be in the activity toolbar |
| 17:31 | walterbender: yes is true | |
| 17:32 | i don't like how this toolbar is organized | |
| 17:32 | the spanner should be at the right | |
| 17:33 | walterbender | Maybe our rule of thumb is only to have the title on the main toolbar if there are no other buttons? |
| 17:33 | gonzalo | walterbender, yes |
| 17:33 | walterbender | there is no space issue with this activity, so no reason to avoid secondary menus |
| 17:33 | gonzalo | and only show the title if the activity save anything useful in the journal |
| 17:34 | garycmartin | trying to download the new version to see. |
| 17:34 | manuq | garycmartin: I'm trying to upload a screen grab right now |
| 17:34 | garycmartin | Oh my. Just looking... |
| 17:34 | walterbender | distance could use lots of feature additions: save a collection of distance measurements to the journal, for example. So I think we will use the toolbar space in the future |
| 17:35 | (along with a user-definable label) | |
| 17:35 | garycmartin | Yea the spanner should so not be on the left. The activity name should be always on the far left. |
| 17:36 | manuq | I can work on Distance toolbars |
| 17:36 | walterbender | garycmartin: in this case, I think it should be on a secondary menu |
| 17:37 | shall we continue? | |
| 17:37 | #topic finance | |
| 17:37 | garycmartin | walterbender: OK. I think the idea of the simple all in one toolbar is for the case where everything needed can tidily fit on the primary toolbar. |
| 17:38 | walterbender | garycmartin: yes... but that is not the case with distance |
| 17:38 | garycmartin | or perhaps a game that has no needed toolbar functionality. |
| 17:38 | walterbender: Distance, well only because of all that (black hidden) text ;-) | |
| 17:39 | walterbender | manuq: in Finance, what is the (v) button for? |
| 17:40 | gonzalo | garycmartin:about distance, i think in this case is useful have this information not very important out of the main toolbar |
| 17:40 | walterbender: i s for actual period | |
| 17:40 | manuq | walterbender: for going to current period |
| 17:40 | walterbender | gonzalo, manuq: no copy/paste? |
| 17:41 | garycmartin | gonzalo: +1, it is quite geeky information to show up top. |
| 17:41 | walterbender | also, a general question: view is being used for a very different metaphor here? |
| 17:42 | manuq | walterbender: I don't think so, they are different representations of the same data |
| 17:42 | gonzalo | walterbender: hmm, yes, but i think is logic |
| 17:42 | garycmartin | every time he sees a spanner icon he just visualises a cog in its place ;-) |
| 17:42 | gonzalo | is not zoom / full screen like in other activities |
| 17:42 | manuq | it may be overloaded |
| 17:43 | gonzalo | garycmartin: we will add a option cog/spanner in the control panel :) |
| 17:43 | walterbender | garycmartin: distance will probably end up with both: a spanner to adjust humidity and a gear to set your personal distance metric, e.g., Smoots |
| 17:43 | garycmartin | gonzalo: thanks :-) |
| 17:43 | gonzalo | walterbender: +1 |
| 17:45 | manuq | I just uploaded updated toolbars for distance |
| 17:46 | garycmartin | walterbender: Smoots is like an in-house MIT joke, right? |
| 17:47 | gonzalo | we are ready with finance? or anybody have a better idea to substitute the arrow down? |
| 17:48 | manuq | also, substitute the "period" string with a calendar? |
| 17:48 | walterbender | gonzalo: I think we are OK. |
| 17:49 | manuq | ok, go on then |
| 17:49 | gonzalo | Finance have an interesting mode of use of help, but i think we can dedicate a session to help in activities |
| 17:49 | walterbender | garycmartin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot |
| 17:50 | gonzalo | walterbender: next? |
| 17:50 | walterbender | #topic fototunes |
| 17:50 | garycmartin | smoot, yea was just reading that :-) But Not sure we want another icon for an in-house joke. |
| 17:51 | walterbender | garycmartin: not a joke: it is important to let kids define their own units when learning about the concept of measurement |
| 17:51 | gonzalo | walterbender: please don't distract to garcmartin! :) |
| 17:51 | walterbender | gonzalo: yet another activity that could use copy/paste, IMHO, but otherwise looks good |
| 17:51 | gonzalo | walterbender: ok |
| 17:52 | manuq | yes, it looks good |
| 17:52 | walterbender | maybe the submenu icon should be to the far left? |
| 17:53 | and in general, do we want a visible separator between the submenu icons and the buttons? | |
| 17:53 | gonzalo | submenu? |
| 17:53 | walterbender | the menu for adjusting fonts |
| 17:54 | I asked before about whether we wanted to always put submenu icons to the left... | |
| 17:54 | manuq | maybe this is a case where the "all submenu buttons to the left" does not work |
| 17:54 | gonzalo | i don't think all submenus at left is a good idea |
| 17:55 | i think i must replace the happy face with the insert-image icon | |
| 17:55 | walterbender | what about a separator before the first icon? |
| 17:55 | gonzalo: +1 | |
| 17:55 | garycmartin | Perhaps just as a general guide, not a hard rule (I'm just downloading to try FotoToon) |
| 17:56 | walterbender | garycmartin: fototoon rocks! |
| 17:56 | garycmartin | walterbender: Yea, but I think I have an old version here. |
| 17:56 | walterbender | gonzalo: no combo box for the different text bubbles :P |
| 17:57 | gonzalo: I think it is better to show the variety on the toolbar :) | |
| 17:57 | gonzalo | walterbender: hmmm, i think here have direct acces is better |
| 17:57 | walterbender | gonzalo: in general, I think that is best |
| 17:57 | manuq | yes, unless it grows, but is not probable |
| 17:57 | walterbender | gonzalo: next, let the kids design there own !! |
| 17:58 | gonzalo | yes, there are a lot to do |
| 17:58 | walterbender | they can import an SVG generated in Turtle Art :) |
| 17:58 | manuq | :) |
| 17:58 | gonzalo | or do a movie? |
| 17:58 | :) | |
| 17:59 | walterbender | and record audio over pictures |
| 17:59 | manuq | I have feature requests for fototoons also |
| 17:59 | gonzalo | oook, only toolbars today :) |
| 17:59 | manuq | but maybe we go on to the next toolbars |
| 17:59 | walterbender | yes... we should continue |
| 18:00 | #topic get boooooks | |
| 18:00 | an example of where just the main toolbar works? | |
| 18:00 | manuq | the three books icons may be replaced |
| 18:00 | gonzalo | the cards is my poor idea about "catalogs" |
| 18:01 | catalogs is a collection of books | |
| 18:01 | manuq | oh, there are cards |
| 18:01 | gonzalo | yeah |
| 18:01 | better ideas are welcomed | |
| 18:01 | manuq | yes, maybe the collections box to-be-done? |
| 18:01 | walterbender | manuq: I made a library icon once... I'll try to find it and send it your way |
| 18:01 | gonzalo | ar a shelf with books |
| 18:02 | manuq | walterbender: good! |
| 18:02 | maybe some piled books | |
| 18:02 | walterbender | #action replace the cards icon with something better... |
| 18:02 | #topic help | |
| 18:02 | manuq | I don't know if "piled" is the word in english |
| 18:02 | garycmartin | apologises as he needs to go very soon. |
| 18:02 | walterbender | me too... |
| 18:03 | maybe a quick look at TamTam? | |
| 18:03 | gonzalo | help is ok i think |
| 18:03 | garycmartin | TamTam, sure |
| 18:03 | manuq | ok, go for tamtam |
| 18:03 | walterbender | any others for immediate feedback? |
| 18:03 | that is on the discussion page: | |
| 18:03 | gonzalo | i need advice about memorize |
| 18:03 | walterbender | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/T[…]amTam_refactoring |
| 18:03 | gonzalo: we can do that next | |
| 18:04 | manuq | change document with box of collections |
| 18:04 | walterbender | re tamtam, I think I should make Mini use just the main toolbar: not a secondary one as is shown |
| 18:04 | manuq: +1 | |
| 18:04 | garycmartin | +1 |
| 18:05 | manuq | +1 for tamtam mini |
| 18:05 | gonzalo | tamtammini support collaboration? |
| 18:05 | walterbender | do we have a standard trash can? |
| 18:05 | doesn't like this one... too thin | |
| 18:05 | garycmartin | should we use the delete icon? |
| 18:06 | walterbender | also, I think the spanner is the correct choice in Edit |
| 18:06 | garycmartin: +1 | |
| 18:07 | any other comments? | |
| 18:07 | gonzalo | walterbender: in tamtamedit? |
| 18:07 | walterbender | gonzalo: yes |
| 18:07 | garycmartin | walterbender: Think there is too much to get through in one meeting, at least for me. |
| 18:07 | gonzalo | walterbender: i think here the hear is more appropriate :) |
| 18:08 | gear | |
| 18:08 | walterbender | or maybe we could break things up into multiple submenus |
| 18:08 | some are parameters, some are generators | |
| 18:08 | gonzalo | ahh, i see |
| 18:08 | walterbender | garycmartin: if you can hang in just to give gonzalo feedback re Memorize? |
| 18:09 | manuq | one more question for me, do you agree if I do a smaller icon for maze, for the same reasons as abacus? |
| 18:09 | gonzalo | manuq:+1 |
| 18:09 | manuq | ok |
| 18:10 | #action manuq will do a smaller icon for maze | |
| 18:10 | walterbender | manuq: yes |
| 18:10 | garycmartin | walterbender: sorry, all too rushed for me to make much sane feedback. |
| 18:11 | gonzalo | garycmartin, walterbender: i have sent a mail anyway, if you can reply later is ok |
| 18:11 | walterbender | ok... |
| 18:11 | manuq | maybe we can continue memorize discussion by email? |
| 18:11 | walterbender | we've been at it for more than 2 hours... |
| 18:11 | I think we made a lot of good progress today, sorting out how to make decisions | |
| 18:12 | garycmartin | gonzalo: Yes. Offline is much better for me trying to think things through. Realtime just ends up as a rush without much thought. |
| 18:12 | walterbender | I feel like I am in better position to progress |
| 18:12 | gonzalo | anybody volunteer to write in a wiki the decisions? |
| 18:12 | walterbender: yes! | |
| 18:13 | walterbender | #action: walter to do first draft of decisions for wiki... everyone to pitch in with the edits (and illustrations) |
| 18:13 | gonzalo | i think we can do a really consistent release this time |
| 18:13 | walterbender | thanks everyone. Try again next week? |
| 18:13 | gonzalo | same day and hour? |
| 18:13 | garycmartin | +1 for next week. |
| 18:13 | manuq | of course! very nice progress |
| 18:13 | tch has quit IRC | |
| 18:13 | manuq | will be here next week |
| 18:13 | gonzalo | thanks all!!! |
| 18:13 | manuq | thanks! |
| 18:14 | garycmartin | Thanks! |
| 18:14 | manuq has quit IRC | |
| 18:14 | walterbender | #endmeeting |
| 18:14 | meeting | Meeting ended Wed Aug 3 18:14:37 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 18:14 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-03T16:00:36.html | |
| 18:14 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]11-08-03T16:00:36 |
