| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 15:23 | pbrobinson | waves to mchua |
| 15:23 | sdziallas | #topic Sugar on a Stick Weekly Meeting 2010/08/02 |
| 15:23 | mchua | waves to pbrobinson |
| 15:23 | sdziallas | #chair mchua pbrobinson |
| 15:24 | #link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]_a_Stick_meetings | |
| 15:24 | Walking through the agenda. | |
| 15:24 | #topic Release Schedule | |
| 15:24 | #link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]#Release_schedule | |
| 15:24 | We're past Feature Freeze. | |
| 15:25 | Alpha Freeze is supposed to be enacted tomorrow, but we'll presumably slip with the Alpha release. | |
| 15:25 | That's alright and nothing too worrisome. | |
| 15:25 | It doesn't affect any other deadlines. | |
| 15:25 | pbrobinson | I tried to install the alpha test and it doesn't install. I don't see how it can't slip |
| 15:25 | sdziallas | We'll talk about the features as mentioned on-list today. |
| 15:25 | pbrobinson: yup, with all the blockers and py2.7 coming in, agreed. | |
| 15:26 | Can we move on here? | |
| 15:26 | I'll take that as a yes. | |
| 15:26 | #topic Feature Proposals | |
| 15:27 | pbrobinson | yep |
| 15:27 | sdziallas | #link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]mitted_for_review |
| 15:27 | #topic Feature (1): Updated Activities from the Mirabelle list | |
| 15:27 | #link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/U[…]he_Mirabelle_list | |
| 15:27 | The feature page looks blank. | |
| 15:27 | pbrobinson | well.... |
| 15:28 | mchua | Er... I apologize for slackerness on these feature proposals. |
| 15:28 | The last week has been totally crazy for me, but that's no excuse. | |
| 15:28 | sdziallas | Obviously there'll be updates and stuff. |
| 15:28 | pbrobinson | I think we can approve it as it was going to happen anyway. It was more of a feature for marketing wasn't it? |
| 15:28 | but.... | |
| 15:28 | sdziallas | JT4sugar: have you heard from Sean lately? |
| 15:28 | pbrobinson | it looks likely that Read is going to be broken again |
| 15:28 | sdziallas | Yup. |
| 15:28 | lucian: (fyi) | |
| 15:29 | garycmartin | Read broken again? Aaarg! |
| 15:29 | pbrobinson | I'm going to send an email to sugar-devel about it as I think Tomeu might know more |
| 15:30 | garycmartin: yep, believe me I'll be doing my damndest to make sure we can get it fixed | |
| 15:30 | garycmartin | pbrobinson: thanks, any pointers as to the break? |
| 15:30 | sdziallas | garycmartin: gnome python2 binding with evince failing to compile in fedora, I hear. |
| 15:30 | pbrobinson | I'll send details to sugar-devel and soas lists |
| 15:30 | sdziallas | shuts up. :) |
| 15:31 | Okay, so what do we do with this feature? | |
| 15:31 | garycmartin | pbrobinson: thanks, willk keep eyes open for the email. |
| 15:31 | pbrobinson | so I'll ping out more details as there's a couple of links. |
| 15:31 | JT4sugar | sdziallas, Had to chance to chat with him on phone last week. Family-Kids home for summer-Deadlines at work-Was just getting into his backlog of email. Think he will resurface very soon! |
| 15:32 | sdziallas | JT4sugar: hey! okeydokey, that's cool! :) |
| 15:32 | pbrobinson | so... where were we? |
| 15:32 | sdziallas | the feature. |
| 15:33 | pbrobinson | I vote Activity updates +1 even without the write up. |
| 15:33 | sdziallas | is kinda afraid of approving a blank feature. but we've been updating activities already, so not approving this doesn't make sense. |
| 15:34 | pbrobinson | well its going to happen either way. I believe the perpose of the feature was more for marketing. mchua can you confirm? |
| 15:34 | sdziallas | that kinda obsoletes a feature requirement for it, agreed. |
| 15:35 | however, if there are special / specific upgrades worth mentioning, I'd like to see them written up. | |
| 15:35 | (so instead of OMG WE UPDATED *STUFF*, we could go "we included *this* cool new feature that'll make *this* activity *so* much more awesome".) | |
| 15:36 | mchua | pbrobinson, sdziallas: no longer blank, http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/U[…]elle_list#Summary |
| 15:36 | +1 for listing specific upgrades + new features + etc as they go along. | |
| 15:36 | sdziallas | Okeydokey. |
| 15:36 | #action This feature is approved. | |
| 15:36 | Next. | |
| 15:37 | mchua | I'll put myself down as the owner for this for now, and try to get someone else to take it later, but just so someone's keeping an eye on it. |
| 15:37 | sdziallas | #topic Remixability |
| 15:37 | mchua | sdziallas: er, I think you mean |
| 15:37 | #agreed Updated Activities from the Mirabelle list: FEATURE APPROVED | |
| 15:37 | Carry on. :) | |
| 15:37 | sdziallas | 15:34 < mchua> #agreed Updated Activities from the Mirabelle list: FEATURE APPROVED |
| 15:37 | Argh. | |
| 15:37 | #agreed Updated Activities from the Mirabelle list: FEATURE APPROVED | |
| 15:37 | (I'm pretty sure this bot doesn't know chairs.) | |
| 15:37 | #link 15:34 < mchua> #agreed Updated Activities from the Mirabelle list: FEATURE APPROVED | |
| 15:38 | DAMMIT. | |
| 15:38 | #link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]s_V4/Remixability | |
| 15:38 | Here we go. | |
| 15:38 | Sorry folks. | |
| 15:38 | walterbender | mchua: I am a bit confused by your wiki hierarchy... should the Update_Activities... page be under SoaS somewhere, as well as these Feature pages? |
| 15:38 | sdziallas | I'm +1 to this feature in general and -1 to its implementation. |
| 15:39 | mchua | walterbender: ...possibly? My personal criteria right now is "can you find it on http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]k_release_process" but you're right that we should probably do some wiki reorg/cleanup. |
| 15:39 | walterbender: ...probably after feature freeze, though, so we can do them all at once. | |
| 15:39 | sdziallas | mchua, pbrobinson: thoughts? |
| 15:40 | mchua | sdziallas: I agree with you. |
| 15:40 | pbrobinson | I'm not sure how the feature is already 100%. I have a few minor reservations. |
| 15:40 | We already include the livecd-creator | |
| 15:41 | Including the base kickstarts isn't hard | |
| 15:41 | but it doesn't make it off the current install but rather pulls the packages down from the net | |
| 15:42 | so the live USB stick will need probably 3Gb free based on our 2Gb base FS + packages | |
| 15:43 | walterbender | needs to bail... sdziallas: see you next week!! |
| 15:43 | mchua | pbrobinson: The way I'd like to see that feature stated is *not* that "SoaS contains all the tools on it that are needed to remix itself" |
| 15:44 | sdziallas | walterbender: yeah!! looking forward to meeting you again :) |
| 15:44 | mchua | (i.e. having the SoaS image doesn't necessarily mean you can make a remix) |
| 15:44 | satellit_Acer | the .iso is 486 MB for v4 here compressed |
| 15:44 | pbrobinson | satellit_Acer: but that's not how that works for remixes |
| 15:44 | JT4sugar | pbrobinson, A 5GB stick 3+2 or 3GB total? |
| 15:44 | mchua | pbrobinson: Instead, I'd like to use it as a marketing point for what we already have working, which is "you can use Mangolassi/Mirabelle as base images to remix something that's custom-suited to your classroom (you will need additional tools for this, please see our handy Customization Guide)" |
| 15:45 | satellit_Acer | mirabelle is 535 with 4 extra application |
| 15:45 | mchua | sdziallas, pbrobinson: does that make sense? |
| 15:45 | Use/revise existing resources, but make it a point to call that out for this release. | |
| 15:45 | sdziallas | mchua: my vote stands as above. |
| 15:46 | mchua | sdziallas: How about the implementation I just described? |
| 15:46 | ...perhaps once it's written up more. | |
| 15:47 | sdziallas | mchua: I'm encouraging remixability in general, as previously stated. |
| 15:47 | pbrobinson | mchua: OK, the documentation needs to cover the space that would be needed to do it and it needs to be documented that what is currently running isn't what they would get |
| 15:47 | JT4sugar: 3Gb on top of what is already there. | |
| 15:48 | sdziallas | I've mentioned already that I'd to see this being integrated in the official Customization Guide, too. |
| 15:48 | satellit_Acer | why so large are they full installs? |
| 15:49 | mchua | pbrobinson: yeah, so I suppose that is what the remaining work for the feature would be - Customization Guide work, and integration into that. |
| 15:49 | sdziallas: It would all go into the Customization Guide, and resources surrounding/pointing-to that. | |
| 15:49 | I don't want to fork when we have a resource for this already that we should be improving. | |
| 15:49 | sdziallas | Indeed. |
| 15:50 | pbrobinson | satellit_Acer: the based uncompressed ext4 filesystem is 2Gb. Then you need to download all the packages. What you see on the ISO is a compressed installed filesystem. What you need to create it is all uncompressed. so 2Gb for the filesystem + how much the total uninstalled packages they want use. |
| 15:50 | sdziallas | Alright, I want to wrap this. |
| 15:50 | votes +1 conditional to integration in existing resources. | |
| 15:51 | mchua | votes +1 conditional to integration in existing resources (specifically, Customization Guide). |
| 15:51 | sdziallas | (and propose to revisit it after alphe release.) |
| 15:52 | mchua | good idea. |
| 15:52 | JT4sugar | pbrobinson, So these kick start files will be 2GB plus extras? |
| 15:52 | pbrobinson | votes +1 with proper documentation |
| 15:53 | sdziallas | #AGREED Feature Remixability APPROVED, conditional to proper documentation and integration in Customization Guide (revisit post-alpha) |
| 15:53 | pbrobinson | JT4sugar: No. the .ks will be a couple of KB. But if you want to build a custom remix on the device it will need about 3Gb spare space |
| 15:53 | sdziallas | #topic Including Fructose Activities that are tested and known to work |
| 15:53 | JT4sugar | pbrobinson, I got it now Thanks! |
| 15:53 | sdziallas | no feature page for this one, but makes sense for me with a testing process |
| 15:53 | votes please? | |
| 15:54 | mchua | Same smoke test as we're going to use for "activities from Mirabelle still work, ship them again," I'd think. |
| 15:54 | JT4sugar | +1 with integration |
| 15:54 | mchua | also makes sense to me - this is an easy one that we can/should do anyway. |
| 15:54 | The test process is mandatory, though. | |
| 15:54 | satellit_ | I have updated this page http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]vity_Test_Results |
| 15:55 | sdziallas | +1 |
| 15:55 | mchua | (See, I see this and the Mirabelle-Activities-updating features as "stuff we are going to do anyway, but tihs time we are documenting it so others can see how it's done and do it next time") |
| 15:55 | +1 | |
| 15:55 | sdziallas | (we have 8 minutes left) |
| 15:56 | I think it passes, right? Wait, pbrobinson? | |
| 15:56 | pbrobinson | +1 |
| 15:56 | sdziallas | cool! |
| 15:56 | #AGREED Feature Including Fructose Activities that are tested and known to work APPROVED. | |
| 15:57 | #topic Feature More Robust Iso | |
| 15:57 | #link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/More_robust_iso | |
| 15:57 | I'm worried that this will not get done in time. | |
| 15:58 | mchua | So am I. |
| 15:59 | sdziallas | Should we approve it anyway for now? |
| 15:59 | I'd like to revisit this, too. | |
| 15:59 | mchua | I want to keep working on it, the question is whether we want to make it a feature (which, in my mind means we can block on it, or that we're going to prioritize it over things that are not features, in terms of stuff getting done for the release) |
| 16:00 | sdziallas | mchua: agreed. I think the latter one makes sense. |
| 16:00 | I thikn it's an important thing to do, but it's probably not a feature. | |
| 16:00 | mchua | nods. |
| 16:00 | come to think of it, you're right. | |
| 16:01 | pbrobinson | mchua: I feel its more an upstream feature that SoaS can make use of and publicise |
| 16:01 | JT4sugar | It would seem to be a quality issue and would be big help on user end in classroom |
| 16:01 | sdziallas | nods. |
| 16:01 | mchua | It doesn't really change the image itslef... it's a supporting tool that's being changed. |
| 16:01 | JT4sugar: Absolutely, it would be a giant help for deployment, and it's a problem that does need to be solved. | |
| 16:01 | sdziallas | I'd really love to see this happening, but I'm not sure whether we'll be able to pull it off. |
| 16:01 | mchua | but I was wrong earlier about this being a SoaS feature - it's a liveusb-creator feature, and we should push for changes upstream (and have been doing that for something like 2 months now). |
| 16:02 | So if liveusb-creator pulls it off, we can trumped that some in our co-marketing, perhaps. | |
| 16:02 | sdziallas | votes -1 |
| 16:02 | mchua | But if not, it's not something our release blocks on. |
| 16:02 | sdziallas | (to the feature, that is) |
| 16:02 | satellit_ | liveinst also works well except broken in F14 for now |
| 16:02 | mchua | withdraws the feature proposal |
| 16:02 | sdziallas | awesome :) |
| 16:02 | #ACTION Feature More Robust Iso belongs upstream, is withdrawn. | |
| 16:02 | Thanks everybody. | |
| 16:02 | #topic Open Floor. | |
| 16:03 | pbrobinson | agreed on the marketing feature and I WANT it too :-) |
| 16:03 | sdziallas | We have a minute... oh, it's 4pm. |
| 16:03 | Anybody anything else? I gotta leave shortly. | |
| 16:03 | Otherwise I'd like to wrap this. | |
| 16:03 | satellit_ | sdziallas Can others contribute to http://download.sugarlabs.org/[…]tomization-guide? I would like to help |
| 16:04 | sdziallas | satellit_: yes, sure! |
| 16:04 | JT4sugar | mchua, If you push the quality in classroom angle with upstream might help-Sticks are not failing for kids thanks to you |
| 16:04 | sdziallas | satellit_: there are instructions here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]Documentation_SOP :) |
| 16:04 | goes closing the meeting now in 3. | |
| 16:04 | 2. | |
| 16:04 | 1. | |
| 16:04 | 0.5 | |
| 16:05 | satellit_ | ok thanks. do you want changes first? before I make them? |
| 16:05 | sdziallas | satellit_: it's on the wiki page :) |
| 16:05 | satellit_ | : ) |
| 16:05 | sdziallas | #link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]Documentation_SOP |
| 16:05 | #endmeeting | |
| 15:18 | mchua | #endmeeting |