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| 14:19 | Mr_R | hello walterbender |
| 14:19 | i'm here with seba | |
| 14:20 | we want to discuss with you our needs related to sugar devel | |
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| 14:21 | [scs] | waves. |
| 14:21 | #start-meeting | |
| 14:21 | meeting | Meeting started Wed Dec 7 14:21:50 2011 UTC. The chair is [scs]. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:21 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 14:22 | Mr_R | so, we want to assemble a developers team |
| 14:23 | to migrate our version of sugar (dextrose 2) to a compatible version for XO 1.75 | |
| 14:24 | do you have some suggestions (developer/developers) to conform that team | |
| 14:24 | walterbender | Is it not a matter of collecting the various patches that were made to customize the OLPC image used to create your Dextrose image? |
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| 14:25 | walterbender | I have no idea how extensive those patches are, since AC has not pushed very much upstream :P |
| 14:26 | [scs] | walterbender: joseprous has written a report... |
| 14:26 | walterbender | [scs]: where is the report? |
| 14:26 | Mr_R | Not really, most patches are only compatible with sugar 0.84 |
| 14:27 | [scs] | sending |
| 14:27 | Mr_R | and fedora 11... |
| 14:27 | walterbender | Mr_R: again, I am operating in the dark. |
| 14:27 | Mr_R: I am sure that the patches need modification, but not knowing what they are makes it hard to assess the scope and scale of the task | |
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| 14:28 | [scs] | all, here is the untranslated version http://pastebin.com/UwkL4FZr |
| 14:28 | Mr_R | we think the challenge involves 3 developers for 3 months for a Beta 1 version |
| 14:29 | and 3 months more to a final RC1 version. | |
| 14:29 | in that sense, we want to incorporate a developers to our team | |
| 14:30 | and we hope you can help us to find the correct people | |
| 14:31 | walterbender | it seems to me that most of your changes are small in comparison with the task of getting 1.75 itself working. |
| 14:31 | maybe the best bet in the short term is to help with that effort | |
| 14:31 | [scs] | walterbender: it would be interesting to know how these changes can be supported upstream too... |
| 14:32 | walterbender | [scs]: it seems that many of these changes would be acceptable upstream, but the window for new features for 0.96 has already closed. |
| 14:32 | so I don't think they'd be upstreamed until 0.98 | |
| 14:32 | Mr_R | as long as we evealuate the 11.3.0 version is a working prototype |
| 14:33 | walterbender | [scs]: but some, such as backup and leases, are probably always going to be specific to deployments and need to be added on. |
| 14:33 | There are two dynamics in play: one is the 1.75 bring-up and the other is the migration to gtk-3 | |
| 14:34 | the 1.75 bring up will not introduce too many major issues regarding your list of features beyond the changes due to f16 and more recent Sugar | |
| 14:35 | gtk-3 will introduce many challenges as it is a major refactoring | |
| 14:36 | but I think the strategy should be to get your patches working in an 11.3 environment on 1.5 and then we deal with the gtk-3 migration | |
| 14:37 | because upstream also has to worry about 11.3 -> 1.75 and gtk-3 | |
| 14:37 | so we call do that work together | |
| 14:39 | [scs] | walterbender: I see, we definitely would also collaborate in the migration once we have the necessary developers! |
| 14:39 | Mr_R | have you evaluate the resources (developers) to get 1.75 working? |
| 14:39 | walterbender | Mr_R: I was speaking to Martin about that yesterday. |
| 14:40 | Mr_R: we are going to try to find another gtk-3 hacker -- I have a few in mind | |
| 14:40 | that is independent of the 1.75 bring up. | |
| 14:41 | the latter is coming along nicely, with the exception of the usual sorts of things: a bug in the interaction between suspend and the audio drivers that needs chasing down... that sort of thing | |
| 14:41 | [scs] | walterbender: ok, so the 1.75 bringup... what are the schedules for that work? just so we know how to organise our work with the patches... |
| 14:41 | has some lag. | |
| 14:41 | Mr_R | agree with that. Our main priority is to have a 1.75 machine with all dextrose 2 features (most to satisfy education team needs) |
| 14:41 | walterbender | [scs]: I think the target is still end of calendar year. |
| 14:42 | but that would be a Sugar 0.94 system (gtk-2) | |
| 14:42 | [scs] | ok, so we're looking at 0.98 now? |
| 14:42 | walterbender | 0.96 is http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.96/Roadmap |
| 14:43 | 0.98 for upstreaming... but you could target working on 0.96 | |
| 14:43 | Mr_R | GTK-2, Fedora14? right? |
| 14:44 | walterbender | but I would suggest getting an 11.3 version first because in doing so you will reveal the Fedora-related issues (f11->f16) |
| 14:44 | and then we can look at the gtk issues as a second phase | |
| 14:45 | Mr_R: I need to double-check which version of Fedora is on the os?? builds for 1.75 | |
| 14:45 | looks | |
| 14:46 | [scs] | walterbender: thanks so much for all this information, btw |
| 14:49 | walterbender | F14 |
| 14:49 | I still think it is worth making the migration in 2 stages | |
| 14:50 | hasn't AC done much of that work moving to F14 in Dextrose 3? | |
| 14:50 | (for your patches, I mean) | |
| 14:51 | so that part should be relatively easy | |
| 14:51 | [scs] | walterbender: sounds very good, Mr_R ? |
| 14:52 | Mr_R | i don't know in detail if dextrose 3 has moved to F14 |
| 14:52 | (patches, features, etc.) | |
| 14:52 | walterbender | Mr_R: Dextrose 3 is based on OLPC 11.3 AFAIK |
| 14:53 | Mr_R | Nice, that means that we can use Dex3 as a base for a working version for 1.75 |
| 14:54 | walterbender | so I imagine you need 1 engineer to confirm the migration between D2 and D3 and another engineer or two to work on the gtk-3 migration. |
| 14:55 | has not tried Dextrose 3 on a 1.75 machine | |
| 14:55 | Mr_R | not yet.. i will ask joseprous to make the test |
| 14:56 | joseprous | there is not a dextrose release for 1.75 yet |
| 14:56 | walterbender | wasn't sure... |
| 14:57 | joseprous: how modular are the patches for OLPC 11.3 -> Dextrose 3? | |
| 14:57 | joseprous | i don't know |
| 14:58 | walterbender | joseprous: that would determine how easy/hard it would be to make a 1.75 version |
| 14:58 | joseprous: but I cannot imagine Sascha letting things get too messy | |
| 14:59 | Mr_R | whe estimate two engineers to migrate dex2 --> working version for 1.75 to dex3 (or dex4) |
| 14:59 | walterbender | Mr_R: probably a safer estimate than mine... you've had more Dextrose experience than me. |
| 15:00 | Mr_R | a dream team colud be: 1 Eng (PyEduca) + 1 Eng (AC) + 1 Eng (Sugar comunity) |
| 15:01 | so we can work together to a working 1.75 dex3 (or 4) | |
| 15:01 | and most changes can be incorporated in upstream too | |
| 15:02 | walterbender | ouch. see sascha's email to the Dextrose list: 46 patches to be applied to D2->D3 |
| 15:03 | but most look pretty straight-forward | |
| 15:06 | Mr_R | ok... so, your recomendation is to work in two phases, 1) migrating dex2 to a working version for 1.75 (gtk-2 and fedora 14) and 2) migrate to a gtk-3 and fedora 16 |
| 15:06 | walterbender | yes |
| 15:07 | Mr_R | do you think that we can count with one or two volunteers of sugarlabs or olpc for that challenge? |
| 15:09 | walterbender | we are already flat out working on gtk-3. I think we need to recruit from new people |
| 15:09 | Mr_R | do you have some names?.. is olpc interesting to collaborate with a downstream project? |
| 15:09 | walterbender | I am looking |
| 15:10 | OLPC is interested of course, but their Sugar team is completely absorbed in gtk-3 right now and the engineering team is working day and night on 1.75 | |
| 15:10 | so I am trying to find them more hands too | |
| 15:11 | Mr_R | i understand is a big challenge |
| 15:11 | for olpc too getting all thinks work with f16 an gtk3 | |
| 15:11 | walterbender | lots in play at the moment... more than usual :P |
| 15:12 | OLPC has taken on a big task... so the downstream community needs to handle the more immediate concerns... | |
| 15:13 | Mr_R | :-D great news |
| 15:13 | walterbender | but the reward at the end of the day with 1.75 touch with lots of stability |
| 15:13 | it is going to be a great machine | |
| 15:14 | [scs] | beautiful |
| 15:14 | walterbender | any want-to-be designers in .PY? we have some interesting UI issues to think through |
| 15:15 | [scs] | yes! we have some volunteers! |
| 15:16 | Mr_R | we can channel the request to the university and put you in touch with some students and theachers |
| 15:16 | [scs] | both young people and academics |
| 15:16 | Mr_R: +1 | |
| 15:18 | walterbender: who should we talk to if we want to get working on porting our patches to 0.96/98? | |
| 15:21 | walterbender | [scs]: start attending the developer meetings on Tuesdays in #sugar-meeting and contact eirkos (simon) |
| 15:21 | [scs] | walterbender: I guess the sugar-devel list is a good place to start? |
| 15:21 | walterbender | yes |
| 15:21 | [scs] | walterbender: ok |
| 15:22 | walterbender | I need to get going soon. I'll try to find some people to help |
| 15:22 | [scs] | spanish speakrs welcome! |
| 15:22 | thanks walter | |
| 15:22 | #endmeeting | |
| 15:22 | meeting | Meeting ended Wed Dec 7 15:22:58 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 15:22 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/o[…]-07T14:21:50.html | |
| 15:22 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/o[…]11-12-07T14:21:50 | |
| 15:22 | meeting changes topic to ""OLPC PARAGUAY" "Una computadora por ni?o" Paraguay!" | |
| 15:23 | walterbender | cu |
| 15:23 | car|0s changes topic to ""OLPC PARAGUAY" "Una computadora por ni | |
| 15:24 | Mr_R | walterbender: thanks a lot! |
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