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meeting |
Meeting started Tue Sep 2 23:35:27 2014 UTC. The chair is paulcotton. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting |
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bashintosh |
#chair paulcotton |
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paulcotton: do that ^ |
| 23:35 |
paulcotton |
Is does it automatically for the person who starts |
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;) |
| 23:36 |
bashintosh |
paulcotton: cool |
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paulcotton |
#topic August Activities Update |
| 23:36 |
Niraj |
bashintosh: Yes, I will test that with P80 and base system |
| 23:37 |
walterbender |
paulcotton, I asked Lionel (maintainer of GridPaint) to look into the bug -- I detailed the root cause for him |
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he is looking at it now |
| 23:37 |
paulcotton |
#info It looks like we've reached testing for Dimensions, WordCloud, Domino, and we're approaching that point for Poll - I just need to verify Gonzalo's latest version |
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Oh, awesome, thanks walterbender |
| 23:37 |
walterbender |
the good news is that is nt a bug in the JS toolkit |
| 23:38 |
paulcotton |
That is excellent news. |
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Do we have any idea about when a fix might be available for Grid Paint, or is it a "how long is a piece of string?" |
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...kind of question |
| 23:39 |
walterbender |
I think it may be just a day or two |
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I'll ask Lionel for an update tomorrow ... late in Paris right now |
| 23:40 |
paulcotton |
Fair enough. I think we are (unfortunately) a couple days before release anyway. Our first late month :) |
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However, it's been a bit of a difficult one, so I feel it's pretty understandable. |
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Niraj: Are you able to test WordCloud, Dimenions, and Domino today? |
| 23:44 |
Niraj |
paulcotton: Yeah, I will try to finish all three today, as Domino one round is over and I have fixes to verify. I am currently testing Dimensions and later in afternoon I will finish the WordCloud |
| 23:44 |
walterbender |
thanks Niraj |
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paulcotton |
Wonderful |
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#action Niraj to finish up testing Dimensions / WordCloud / Domino by morning of 4/9/14 |
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This round anyway :) |
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#action paulcotton to check latest version of Poll for possible testing on 3/9/14 |
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#topic September Activity Plan |
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Although, before I change topic (too late)... was there anything else we needed to know re: August activities? |
| 23:47 |
walterbender |
not from me... |
| 23:47 |
paulcotton |
Alright, let's kick on then. |
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#info Initial plan for September is: Finish Record, create Reflect, Find-a-Word, Hundreds Chart, release banked activity in the hopes of leaving a bit more time for the others |
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It's hard to say without Gonzalo being here, but I'm personally feeling that Record is tenuous. |
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walterbender |
Chess? |
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Record is going to be an issue |
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paulcotton |
Oh, I completely forgot. |
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#info Let's not forget Chess! |
| 23:49 |
walterbender |
migrating to Gtk3 is not really an option w/o a major overhaul of the gstreamer code |
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when we move to other h'ware it may be worthwhile |
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but I question the payback for XO4 |
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paulcotton |
Do we have viable alternatives to gstreamer (forgive my ignorance)? |
| 23:51 |
walterbender |
not in Sugar |
| 23:51 |
paulcotton |
Fair enough. |
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So at best we can hope for a layout rearrange / Gtk2 interface re-design? |
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walterbender |
yes |
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we can push the gtk2 version pretty far |
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but not as far as the gtk3 version |
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paulcotton |
Alright. Would you be comfortable making a guesstimate of time on that in Gonzalo's place? |
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We have some workable designs in the Confluence thread, I believe. |
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walterbender |
don't know all the changes that are queued up |
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paulcotton |
Alright, I'll bench that and discuss with Gonzalo via email. |
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If we need to focus priority on the other two, then that's fine for now. |
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Does the rest sound remotely achievable? |
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walterbender |
the key is to get some designs to start working from |
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re Chess, maybe some testing from Niraj early in the month so I can schedule the bug fixes |
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paulcotton |
+1 |
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Niraj: by the end of this week, potentially? |
| 23:55 |
Niraj |
paulcotton: do you mean the chess testing? |
| 23:55 |
paulcotton |
Correct! |
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Playing Chess, best testing job ever. |
| 23:56 |
Niraj |
paulcotton: I will try my best to accommodate chess this week, or might be early next week |
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paulcotton |
Okie dokie |
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#action Niraj to test out current version of Chess by EOD Monday 8/9/14 |
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#action paulcotton to provide initial sketches for find-a-word and hundreds chart by Thursday 4/9/14 |
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Alright, also, anybody who comes across an activity they think can go straight to release from SugarLabs - feel free to send it my way |
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walterbender |
turtleblocks 3d? |
| 23:59 |
paulcotton |
Ooh, yes, that's on my home screen right now. |
| 23:59 |
walterbender |
a little rough around the edges, but really fun |
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paulcotton |
#info Turtleblocks 3D (post testing) to be kept as a sub for September, definite release by October |
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I had a little play with it last week, it's pretty clever. |
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Made me think a bit harder than usual ;) |
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Niraj: You're getting a lot of stuff at the moment, but hopefully we can run Turtleblocks 3D through a testing session next week. |
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#topic Division of Labor |
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Was the proposed division of labor from the plan acceptable? (Walter: Reflect, Chess - Gonzalo: Record, Find a Word, Hundreds Chart) |
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Niraj and I are pretty much across all of them, I think Dan will be involved in everything except maybe Chess as the current graphics were reasonably good from memory |
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walterbender |
that works |
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paulcotton |
#info Original plan for division of work agreed upon, great news. |
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#topic What if something goes wrong? |
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Just thought we might quickly discuss what to do if we start running out of time. |
| 00:06 |
walterbender |
what if? |
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paulcotton |
We're generally pretty good at communicating despite the delay |
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So I'm not too concerned about that, though I suppose it's worth noting that earlier = better - but again, I think everyone is doing this. |
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In the main, I think we need to involve Niraj more frequently |
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And we need to find and define substitute activities that we can swap in at the drop of a hat, or switch focus to, etc. |
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Which is largely on me - but hey, if you guys have stuff (Turtleblocks 3D, Gonzalo pulling Domino out of a hat last month) |
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That's awesome. |
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walterbender |
I think we maybe need to ave a bit more skew in the schedule, where design is a few weeks ahead of development |
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paulcotton |
Agreed, we're a bit out of kilter |
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I need to be producing product requirements further in advance |
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walterbender |
paulcotton, that'll help a lot... but it takes time to get there |
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paulcotton |
As in it takes time to get up to speed and we're still on that journey, or something else? |
| 00:11 |
walterbender |
that... |
| 00:12 |
paulcotton |
Gotcha. Agreed, but I'm going to try and push myself a bit in that regard and see if it helps mitigate "Oh no, we have to drop this for now" issues in the future |
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And curious as to whether you guys have any ideas about mitigation/etc as well |
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walterbender |
not sure what you are asking |
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paulcotton |
Ah, no worries, I'll try and explain a bit further |
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gonzalo_ <gonzalo_!~gonzalo 190.173.13.68> has joined #olpc-au |
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paulcotton |
Every now and again we're going to hit hefty roadblocks, that mean we either take a big delay on an activity or need to switch focus to something else for the rest of the month to try and hit the monthly goal. If you guys have anything in mind that would ease that in anyway, let me know, and I'll try to stay on top of it. |
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For the moment, I'm thinking having a bigger rolling roster of designs and product requirements earlier will help. |
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walterbender |
yes |
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paulcotton |
And having Niraj involved more frequently for point testing will also help. |
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walterbender |
and we have a large catalog |
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paulcotton |
We sure do |
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Hi gonzalo_ :D |
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walterbender |
some very cool games, e.g. Sokoban, Implode, ... |
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paulcotton |
I was looking at Sokoban the other day, it looks pretty solid. |
| 00:19 |
walterbender |
yes... just needs some design help.. a bit busy for our style guide |
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paulcotton |
+1 |
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I think I'm going to move us on to Reflect for the last 10 minutes though (unless we roll past that) |
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walterbender |
OK |
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paulcotton |
#topic Reflect Activity (and possible satellites) |
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#info initial sketches are here https://olpcau.atlassian.net/w[…]splay/OEA/Reflect |
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How scary are they? |
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walterbender |
not scare... just a bit difficult to decipher |
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paulcotton |
In terms of features / feasibility / etc? |
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Ah, really? Let's figure that out now, or I can come back with more clarity this afternoon. They're largely intended to kick this conversation off. |
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walterbender |
https://olpcau.atlassian.net/w[…]9294010253&api=v2 |
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is that suppose to be a journal view (in essence)? |
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paulcotton |
Do you mean Journal as in the current Sugar Journal - or do you mean it like a workbook? |
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walterbender |
I mean the content is all the journal content? displayed as a workbook? |
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paulcotton |
Ah, I see, no. |
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Intended as Reflect "entry" content. |
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You could link Journal content to a Reflect entry. |
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Enabling a Reflect entry to A) Not have any journal content linked or B) Have multiple pieces of Journal activity linked to one entry |
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walterbender |
so each of those little boxes is a reflection on (possibly) multiple journal entries |
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paulcotton |
Yep, could be one, could be many, could be none. |
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The idea behind reflecting on many, is that it's part of a larger project. |
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walterbender |
OK |
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so I get that view |
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paulcotton |
"I made a cartoon today - I took photos with Reflect, I put them in Fototoon" - it's one reflection |
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*Record |
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walterbender |
but then how to author them... |
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I suppose that is https://olpcau.atlassian.net/w[…]9294010246&api=v2 |
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paulcotton |
Potentially something like this https://olpcau.atlassian.net/w[…]9294010260&api=v2 |
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Ah, the one you linked is intended to be the zoomed in on a single entry view |
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walterbender |
OK, I'll work on coding up a sketch of this over the next few days |
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paulcotton |
Despite being rough, does that sketch and the accompanying text (above it on the page) cover off everything we think we might need? Does it potentially try to do too much? |
| 00:31 |
walterbender |
I thnk create and view are the main objectives |
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paulcotton |
Yes |
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walterbender |
we can deal with search and sort later |
| 00:32 |
paulcotton |
Yep, true. Back-up and teacher commentary are on there as well, but first we need something for them to comment on and back-up. |
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walterbender |
comments will be useful |
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backup can be the normal backup in the short term |
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paulcotton |
Depending on how quickly we move through this, we might be in a V1 this month, V2 now with back-up and "teacher management from another device" next month. |
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walterbender |
might be realistic |
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paulcotton |
I say we plan for v1, hope for v2. |
| 00:35 |
walterbender |
let's see how quickly I can make some sketches in Python |
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gonzalo_ |
walterbender, paulcotton, we already have backup implemented |
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paulcotton |
I haven't discussed it with Rangan, but we potentially have access to a paid external web dev to help out with v2 if necessary. |
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Mainly the teacher management / content viewing via a web service. |
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gonzalo_: then maybe we'll get back-up this month :) |
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See how we go. |
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walterbender |
OK |
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paulcotton |
Aside from needing a bit of clarity here and there - no big issues spring to mind so far from the initial ideas/etc? |
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walterbender |
no |
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paulcotton |
Wonderful |
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walterbender |
just a lot of iterative work |
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paulcotton |
#action paulcotton to draw up some better Reflect layouts Illustrator |
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gonzalo_ |
walterbender, paulcotton, and in a way where we can have different backends, right now, only a local storage backend is implemented, but could have a "server backend" or dropbox backend and so |
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walterbender |
yes... |
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local for v1 |
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paulcotton |
#action walterbender to sketch out initial views (browse and create) for Reflect in Python |
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gonzalo_ |
paulcotton, in the proposal, the objective is not too different than portfolio, right? |
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paulcotton |
gonzalo_: you know, not too different. It's more of a browsing experience than a presentation one, but it's doing a similar job. |
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walterbender |
gonzalo_, I plan to write something from scratch |
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paulcotton |
more of a browsing / archiving experience |
| 00:40 |
walterbender |
portfolio is not my best effort in terms of coding |
| 00:42 |
paulcotton |
#info Plan for v1 of Reflect in September to have browsing / creating entries and local back-up, web based teacher commentary and back-up features if there is time - potentially make this v2 for October |
| 00:42 |
gonzalo_ |
paulcotton, walterbender, maybe Reflection could be more as the stories generated in some social networks, based in the content of the journal, but with a way to let the user write about what he/she did |
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paulcotton |
gonzalo_: you mean displayed as a feed? Or socially shared between a class? |
| 00:44 |
gonzalo_ |
paulcotton, i mean constructed based in what the kid did |
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paulcotton |
Ah, so you see Journal content like a feed, and then comment on it in order to reflect? |
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Kind of? |
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gonzalo_ |
yes |
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paulcotton |
Hmm. |
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walterbender |
would be fun... |
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paulcotton |
has gears turning |
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It does sound more fun. |
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walterbender |
cscott made some sketches like that 3-4 years ago |
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paulcotton |
And you could select multiple items in the feed to group into a "project" |
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Or you could hit a "new entry" button to create one without needing Journal activity |
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gonzalo_ |
paulcotton, maybe, but I see Portfolio as the project tool |
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yes, new entry is a must |
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paulcotton |
Potentially, grouping in Reflect would mark things for import to Portfolio. |
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Or there'd be a button. |
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gonzalo_ |
but may be like "I did...", "I learned..." , |
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"I worked on..." |
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paulcotton |
This sounds an awful lot like an interface replacement for the current Journal |
| 00:51 |
gonzalo_ |
paulcotton, walterbender, i was thinking we can improve the use of tags on the journal, and in these activities too |
| 00:51 |
paulcotton |
Tag improvement is definitely part of the plan. |
| 00:51 |
walterbender |
wants to rename tags hashtags |
| 00:51 |
gonzalo_ |
paulcotton, i would like to work on that |
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walterbender, yes, probably add a # is a good idea |
| 00:53 |
paulcotton |
We can do that |
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gonzalo_: alright, if you're working on that then we might lighten your load elsewhere |
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We need to think about how it will change though, as it affects Reflect, possibly Portfolio, and of course the Journal |
| 00:54 |
walterbender |
gonzalo_, let's chat more in the AM |
| 00:55 |
paulcotton |
If we went down the "social feed" route - is it too similar to the way the Journal operates? Would it be worth considering it as a significant Journal overhaul? |
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It's getting late for you guys and we've gone over time. Do we need to leave off the last bit for email / near future? |
| 00:58 |
gonzalo_ |
paulcotton, i have a few minutes more, i have sent versions with fixes of Domino and Poll |
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please test :) |
| 00:58 |
paulcotton |
Excellent :D |
| 00:59 |
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#action paulcotton draw up alternative "social feed" Reflect layout by EOD 4/9/14 |
| 01:00 |
tch__ |
good ideas :) |
| 01:00 |
gonzalo_ |
paulcotton, walterbender, i need finish now, will read later, see you! |
| 01:01 |
walterbender |
OK |
| 01:01 |
paulcotton |
Okie dokie |
| 01:01 |
walterbender |
ttyl |
| 01:02 |
paulcotton |
Alright, looks like I have a lot of thinking and drawing to do. |
| 01:03 |
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That's probably enough for this morning / tonight. We covered a lot. |
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Anything burning that needs to happen before I hit the end meeting button? |
| 01:04 |
walterbender |
nope |
| 01:04 |
paulcotton |
Alrighty then! |
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#endmeeting |
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