Time |
Nick |
Message |
13:42 |
jelkner |
hello |
13:42 |
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anyone here besides myabes and me? |
13:43 |
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hi caroline |
13:43 |
caroline |
hi |
13:43 |
jelkner |
i just typed the startmeeting command |
13:43 |
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you have joined myabes and me so far |
13:45 |
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any word from anurag, caroline? |
13:45 |
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he told me he would be here |
13:45 |
caroline |
yeah he was on gmail a sec ago |
13:46 |
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told me which channel |
13:46 |
jelkner |
cool |
13:46 |
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i'll try to ping him |
13:47 |
|
anurag is trying to join |
13:47 |
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henry grover is logging in as well |
13:47 |
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since i have class at this time |
13:47 |
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i need to move things forward and start the discussion going |
13:48 |
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so i can attend to the needs of other students in my class |
13:49 |
Anurag |
hey |
13:50 |
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everyone here? |
13:51 |
jelkner |
caroline, myabes, hgrover, jelkner are here |
13:51 |
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i need to come in and out |
13:51 |
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since i have class |
13:51 |
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my top questions is: what next? |
13:51 |
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http://spreadsheets.google.com[…]gid=0&output=html |
13:52 |
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myabes sent us this |
13:52 |
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is this what you are looking for? |
13:52 |
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i'm most concerned that we make use of myabes time effectively |
13:52 |
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which means making sure he is doing useful things with it |
13:52 |
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Anurag, i would be grateful if you give him feedback |
13:53 |
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hgrover is available to support him |
13:53 |
hgrover |
(in regards to your earlier email, myabes, the best bext step would presumably be to invite others to edit it) |
13:53 |
caroline |
Does he know how to look at the logs to see what the error was when something fails? |
13:53 |
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Is that something David woudl find useful? |
13:54 |
Anurag |
right, we really need to work towards finding specific errors |
13:55 |
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need to run some terminal commands |
13:55 |
caroline |
there is also a Log activity |
13:55 |
Anurag |
to diagnose network issues and see if we're gettting an IP |
13:57 |
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michael do you have the computer that you're doing testing on connected to any kind of switch/router? |
13:57 |
hgrover |
he does |
13:58 |
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it's on a switch connected to our main router, it's a pretty complicated network |
13:58 |
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(that router is connected to another higher up) |
13:58 |
dfarning_laptop |
+1 to using log activity to see what looks goofy with an activity |
13:58 |
hgrover |
where are logs for activities in sugar stored? |
13:58 |
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just a directory in /var/logs? i haven't looked around |
13:59 |
dfarning_laptop |
hgrover, it is easiest to use the log activity |
14:00 |
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the actual log files are stored under ~/.sugar |
14:00 |
satellit_ |
log activity displays each activity after it is started (and stopped) very useful |
14:00 |
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plus errors |
14:01 |
hgrover |
ahh, alright |
14:01 |
dfarning_laptop |
hgrover, are you at a machine running sugar? if so can you and michael try the log activity |
14:01 |
hgrover |
so michael should be posting the contents of the log activity after something else fails? |
14:01 |
dfarning_laptop |
hgrover, yes:) |
14:01 |
Anurag |
http://activities.sugarlabs.or[…]/sugar/addon/4056 |
14:01 |
hgrover |
i've got a vm running sugar, let me start it up |
14:02 |
satellit_ |
use copy paste function to transfer to USB stick |
14:02 |
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or screenshot if VM |
14:03 |
dfarning_laptop |
hgrover, for now you caroline just cut and past the contents of the log files to a new colum on the spread sheet |
14:03 |
hgrover |
could he copy paste it into pastebin, then put a link to that in the spreadsheet? |
14:03 |
dfarning_laptop |
hgrover, myabes or just take a screen shot and attach that to the spreadsheet |
14:04 |
hgrover |
interesting, myabes says he still can't boot into sugar straight from the login page |
14:05 |
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let me try to do the same in my vm, see how it goes |
14:05 |
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(i do recall it working properly last i tried |
14:05 |
dfarning_laptop |
hgrover yes that might be broken for a few more weeks on some machines. |
14:06 |
hgrover |
alright |
14:06 |
|
indeed, it does give me the option on my vm, and it appears to work |
14:06 |
dfarning_laptop |
cool |
14:06 |
hgrover |
browse, however, doesn't want to start, it seems... |
14:07 |
Anurag |
yea browse has never worked yet |
14:07 |
hgrover |
alright. so it sounds like the plan is that michael should install http://activities.sugarlabs.or[…]/sugar/addon/4056 in sugar, and attach screenshots of error messages to the googledoc |
14:07 |
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should he do so for all failure logs, or just specific ones, or what? |
14:08 |
dfarning_laptop |
The spread sheet is a very good idea. It is a nice step between the formality a develop needs and the way people tend to think |
14:09 |
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hgrover, usually there will be a log of the same name as the activity you are testing |
14:09 |
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hgrover, myabes that log will usually show some sort of error.... |
14:09 |
hgrover |
Right, but which ones should he screenshot and attach to the spreadsheet? All of them, or just those that fail? |
14:10 |
Anurag |
I think the ones that fail for now. david what do you think? |
14:10 |
dfarning_laptop |
hgrover, just the most recent log file of the most recently failed activity |
14:10 |
hgrover |
alright |
14:11 |
dfarning_laptop |
Anurag, yes, that will get us important feedback 90% of the time |
14:13 |
hgrover |
so we've opened up the log activity, there are two subgroups: ~/.sugar/default/log, and /var/log |
14:13 |
dfarning_laptop |
Anurag, especially when we can compare and contrast across the failure logs on different platforms |
14:14 |
hgrover |
in the former, we've got datastore, org.laptop.Log-1, org.laptop.terminal, presenceservice,shell,and telepathy-gabble, all ".log" |
14:14 |
dfarning_laptop |
hgrover, ~/.sugar/default/log has the sugar specific stuff and /var/log is the general linux stuff |
14:15 |
hgrover |
alright, do you want everything from ~/.sugar/default/log? It's got a fair amount of debug info |
14:15 |
dfarning_laptop |
hgrover, try opening the browse activity and then look at the org.laptop.browse log |
14:16 |
hgrover |
myabes says that browse doesn't work |
14:16 |
Anurag |
right that's why you should check out what the log says about the browse activity |
14:16 |
hgrover |
oh, i'm sorry, i misunderstood |
14:17 |
dfarning_laptop |
hgrover, yes, but when you try to start it there will be information about why it failed. |
14:17 |
hgrover |
how long should i let the icon blink before stopping it and checking the logs? |
14:17 |
dfarning_laptop |
hgrover, 5-10 seconds should be long enough |
14:19 |
Anurag |
has anyone tested local collaboration using USR? |
14:19 |
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or will that be difficult with a VM installation? |
14:20 |
hgrover |
there's a fair amount of text, shall i put it in pastebin? |
14:20 |
dfarning_laptop |
hgrover, yes |
14:22 |
hgrover |
hmmm, any way to copy-paste from emulator to main machine? sorry for ignorance if i'm missing something obvious |
14:22 |
Anurag |
hmm, I think there is a way to share a folder from your main machine |
14:22 |
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and then you can copy paste text files to that folder |
14:23 |
hgrover |
trying to open a terminal but it doesn't feel like doing that =S |
14:25 |
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got a terminal, i'll just make a document, scp it to my laptop, paste from there |
14:26 |
Anurag |
yea that works |
14:29 |
|
myabes have u had the chance to test local collaboration in USR? |
14:31 |
myabes |
whats that? |
14:31 |
hgrover |
sorry, finally got this, had to do it a rather roundabout way |
14:31 |
|
http://pastebin.com/mZD9BVXS |
14:33 |
dfarning_laptop |
hgrover, myabes perfect |
14:33 |
|
the line ImportError: libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
14:33 |
hgrover |
what is that? |
14:34 |
dfarning_laptop |
tells me that that the xulrunner shared libary is not being found correctly |
14:35 |
Anurag |
is this why some of the other activities are not launching either |
14:36 |
dfarning_laptop |
Anurag, I think the xulrunner is only a problem for browse |
14:36 |
Anurag |
o ok |
14:37 |
dfarning_laptop |
xulrunner is a tool kit written by mozilla to make browsers. It is being phased out and replaced with webkit |
14:38 |
|
ubuntu phased it out.... yet sugar labs has not rewritten browse.... hence the problem |
14:38 |
hgrover |
ahhh |
14:39 |
dfarning_laptop |
so we need to carry our own version of xulrunner in our ppa until sugar labs rewrites browse |
14:39 |
Anurag |
oh i see |
14:39 |
|
myabes can you share the google spreadsheet with me |
14:39 |
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so I can add/change things if needed |
14:40 |
hgrover |
i'll help myabes do that tomorrow, we have to go now |
14:40 |
myabes |
ok |
14:40 |
dfarning_laptop |
debian and fedora still have xulrunner for at least one more release. so ubuntu is getting hit the hardest |
14:40 |
hgrover |
talk to you guys tomorrow! |
14:40 |
dfarning_laptop |
thanks guys |
14:40 |
Anurag |
o ok, any reason for the switch? |
14:41 |
myabes |
cya |
14:41 |
Anurag |
bye myabes and hgrover |
14:42 |
dfarning_laptop |
Anurag, xulrunner is a security and maintenance nightmare:( mozilla no longer supports it. webkit is very good:) |
14:42 |
Anurag |
o ok got it |
14:42 |
|
david is there anything else you want us to include in our testing to help you out |
14:43 |
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we want to make sure we cover as much as possible |
14:43 |
dfarning_laptop |
Anurag, ubuntu just decided to take one for the team and go first on deprecating it |
14:44 |
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Anurag, logs in the spreed sheet and reworking the smoke test are the two biggest helps. |
14:44 |
jelkner |
#endmeeting |