| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 13:42 | jelkner | hello |
| 13:42 | anyone here besides myabes and me? | |
| 13:43 | hi caroline | |
| 13:43 | caroline | hi |
| 13:43 | jelkner | i just typed the startmeeting command |
| 13:43 | you have joined myabes and me so far | |
| 13:45 | any word from anurag, caroline? | |
| 13:45 | he told me he would be here | |
| 13:45 | caroline | yeah he was on gmail a sec ago |
| 13:46 | told me which channel | |
| 13:46 | jelkner | cool |
| 13:46 | i'll try to ping him | |
| 13:47 | anurag is trying to join | |
| 13:47 | henry grover is logging in as well | |
| 13:47 | since i have class at this time | |
| 13:47 | i need to move things forward and start the discussion going | |
| 13:48 | so i can attend to the needs of other students in my class | |
| 13:49 | Anurag | hey |
| 13:50 | everyone here? | |
| 13:51 | jelkner | caroline, myabes, hgrover, jelkner are here |
| 13:51 | i need to come in and out | |
| 13:51 | since i have class | |
| 13:51 | my top questions is: what next? | |
| 13:51 | http://spreadsheets.google.com[…]gid=0&output=html | |
| 13:52 | myabes sent us this | |
| 13:52 | is this what you are looking for? | |
| 13:52 | i'm most concerned that we make use of myabes time effectively | |
| 13:52 | which means making sure he is doing useful things with it | |
| 13:52 | Anurag, i would be grateful if you give him feedback | |
| 13:53 | hgrover is available to support him | |
| 13:53 | hgrover | (in regards to your earlier email, myabes, the best bext step would presumably be to invite others to edit it) |
| 13:53 | caroline | Does he know how to look at the logs to see what the error was when something fails? |
| 13:53 | Is that something David woudl find useful? | |
| 13:54 | Anurag | right, we really need to work towards finding specific errors |
| 13:55 | need to run some terminal commands | |
| 13:55 | caroline | there is also a Log activity |
| 13:55 | Anurag | to diagnose network issues and see if we're gettting an IP |
| 13:57 | michael do you have the computer that you're doing testing on connected to any kind of switch/router? | |
| 13:57 | hgrover | he does |
| 13:58 | it's on a switch connected to our main router, it's a pretty complicated network | |
| 13:58 | (that router is connected to another higher up) | |
| 13:58 | dfarning_laptop | +1 to using log activity to see what looks goofy with an activity |
| 13:58 | hgrover | where are logs for activities in sugar stored? |
| 13:58 | just a directory in /var/logs? i haven't looked around | |
| 13:59 | dfarning_laptop | hgrover, it is easiest to use the log activity |
| 14:00 | the actual log files are stored under ~/.sugar | |
| 14:00 | satellit_ | log activity displays each activity after it is started (and stopped) very useful |
| 14:00 | plus errors | |
| 14:01 | hgrover | ahh, alright |
| 14:01 | dfarning_laptop | hgrover, are you at a machine running sugar? if so can you and michael try the log activity |
| 14:01 | hgrover | so michael should be posting the contents of the log activity after something else fails? |
| 14:01 | dfarning_laptop | hgrover, yes:) |
| 14:01 | Anurag | http://activities.sugarlabs.or[…]/sugar/addon/4056 |
| 14:01 | hgrover | i've got a vm running sugar, let me start it up |
| 14:02 | satellit_ | use copy paste function to transfer to USB stick |
| 14:02 | or screenshot if VM | |
| 14:03 | dfarning_laptop | hgrover, for now you caroline just cut and past the contents of the log files to a new colum on the spread sheet |
| 14:03 | hgrover | could he copy paste it into pastebin, then put a link to that in the spreadsheet? |
| 14:03 | dfarning_laptop | hgrover, myabes or just take a screen shot and attach that to the spreadsheet |
| 14:04 | hgrover | interesting, myabes says he still can't boot into sugar straight from the login page |
| 14:05 | let me try to do the same in my vm, see how it goes | |
| 14:05 | (i do recall it working properly last i tried | |
| 14:05 | dfarning_laptop | hgrover yes that might be broken for a few more weeks on some machines. |
| 14:06 | hgrover | alright |
| 14:06 | indeed, it does give me the option on my vm, and it appears to work | |
| 14:06 | dfarning_laptop | cool |
| 14:06 | hgrover | browse, however, doesn't want to start, it seems... |
| 14:07 | Anurag | yea browse has never worked yet |
| 14:07 | hgrover | alright. so it sounds like the plan is that michael should install http://activities.sugarlabs.or[…]/sugar/addon/4056 in sugar, and attach screenshots of error messages to the googledoc |
| 14:07 | should he do so for all failure logs, or just specific ones, or what? | |
| 14:08 | dfarning_laptop | The spread sheet is a very good idea. It is a nice step between the formality a develop needs and the way people tend to think |
| 14:09 | hgrover, usually there will be a log of the same name as the activity you are testing | |
| 14:09 | hgrover, myabes that log will usually show some sort of error.... | |
| 14:09 | hgrover | Right, but which ones should he screenshot and attach to the spreadsheet? All of them, or just those that fail? |
| 14:10 | Anurag | I think the ones that fail for now. david what do you think? |
| 14:10 | dfarning_laptop | hgrover, just the most recent log file of the most recently failed activity |
| 14:10 | hgrover | alright |
| 14:11 | dfarning_laptop | Anurag, yes, that will get us important feedback 90% of the time |
| 14:13 | hgrover | so we've opened up the log activity, there are two subgroups: ~/.sugar/default/log, and /var/log |
| 14:13 | dfarning_laptop | Anurag, especially when we can compare and contrast across the failure logs on different platforms |
| 14:14 | hgrover | in the former, we've got datastore, org.laptop.Log-1, org.laptop.terminal, presenceservice,shell,and telepathy-gabble, all ".log" |
| 14:14 | dfarning_laptop | hgrover, ~/.sugar/default/log has the sugar specific stuff and /var/log is the general linux stuff |
| 14:15 | hgrover | alright, do you want everything from ~/.sugar/default/log? It's got a fair amount of debug info |
| 14:15 | dfarning_laptop | hgrover, try opening the browse activity and then look at the org.laptop.browse log |
| 14:16 | hgrover | myabes says that browse doesn't work |
| 14:16 | Anurag | right that's why you should check out what the log says about the browse activity |
| 14:16 | hgrover | oh, i'm sorry, i misunderstood |
| 14:17 | dfarning_laptop | hgrover, yes, but when you try to start it there will be information about why it failed. |
| 14:17 | hgrover | how long should i let the icon blink before stopping it and checking the logs? |
| 14:17 | dfarning_laptop | hgrover, 5-10 seconds should be long enough |
| 14:19 | Anurag | has anyone tested local collaboration using USR? |
| 14:19 | or will that be difficult with a VM installation? | |
| 14:20 | hgrover | there's a fair amount of text, shall i put it in pastebin? |
| 14:20 | dfarning_laptop | hgrover, yes |
| 14:22 | hgrover | hmmm, any way to copy-paste from emulator to main machine? sorry for ignorance if i'm missing something obvious |
| 14:22 | Anurag | hmm, I think there is a way to share a folder from your main machine |
| 14:22 | and then you can copy paste text files to that folder | |
| 14:23 | hgrover | trying to open a terminal but it doesn't feel like doing that =S |
| 14:25 | got a terminal, i'll just make a document, scp it to my laptop, paste from there | |
| 14:26 | Anurag | yea that works |
| 14:29 | myabes have u had the chance to test local collaboration in USR? | |
| 14:31 | myabes | whats that? |
| 14:31 | hgrover | sorry, finally got this, had to do it a rather roundabout way |
| 14:31 | http://pastebin.com/mZD9BVXS | |
| 14:33 | dfarning_laptop | hgrover, myabes perfect |
| 14:33 | the line ImportError: libxul.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | |
| 14:33 | hgrover | what is that? |
| 14:34 | dfarning_laptop | tells me that that the xulrunner shared libary is not being found correctly |
| 14:35 | Anurag | is this why some of the other activities are not launching either |
| 14:36 | dfarning_laptop | Anurag, I think the xulrunner is only a problem for browse |
| 14:36 | Anurag | o ok |
| 14:37 | dfarning_laptop | xulrunner is a tool kit written by mozilla to make browsers. It is being phased out and replaced with webkit |
| 14:38 | ubuntu phased it out.... yet sugar labs has not rewritten browse.... hence the problem | |
| 14:38 | hgrover | ahhh |
| 14:39 | dfarning_laptop | so we need to carry our own version of xulrunner in our ppa until sugar labs rewrites browse |
| 14:39 | Anurag | oh i see |
| 14:39 | myabes can you share the google spreadsheet with me | |
| 14:39 | so I can add/change things if needed | |
| 14:40 | hgrover | i'll help myabes do that tomorrow, we have to go now |
| 14:40 | myabes | ok |
| 14:40 | dfarning_laptop | debian and fedora still have xulrunner for at least one more release. so ubuntu is getting hit the hardest |
| 14:40 | hgrover | talk to you guys tomorrow! |
| 14:40 | dfarning_laptop | thanks guys |
| 14:40 | Anurag | o ok, any reason for the switch? |
| 14:41 | myabes | cya |
| 14:41 | Anurag | bye myabes and hgrover |
| 14:42 | dfarning_laptop | Anurag, xulrunner is a security and maintenance nightmare:( mozilla no longer supports it. webkit is very good:) |
| 14:42 | Anurag | o ok got it |
| 14:42 | david is there anything else you want us to include in our testing to help you out | |
| 14:43 | we want to make sure we cover as much as possible | |
| 14:43 | dfarning_laptop | Anurag, ubuntu just decided to take one for the team and go first on deprecating it |
| 14:44 | Anurag, logs in the spreed sheet and reworking the smoke test are the two biggest helps. | |
| 14:44 | jelkner | #endmeeting |