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| 18:10 |
meeting |
Meeting started Tue Mar 13 18:10:47 2012 UTC. The chair is dogi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting |
| 18:10 |
pflores |
anyway, let's take a time for meeting in Boston |
| 18:11 |
quidam |
yeah, I'm very looking forward to that |
| 18:11 |
pflores |
dogi, you command the meeting, ok? |
| 18:11 |
dogi |
#topic treehouse colocation @ medialab |
| 18:11 |
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#chair quidam pflores |
| 18:11 |
meeting |
Current chairs: dogi pflores quidam |
| 18:12 |
pflores |
:) ok |
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nickolaspeter <nickolaspeter!~Adium c-24-61-11-148.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> has joined #treehouse |
| 18:12 |
pflores |
dogi please tell me more about treehouse, I don't have the whole story |
| 18:12 |
dogi |
As we know we had to move all hardware from fsf colo to the medialab |
| 18:13 |
pflores |
AFAIK it's a server of yours you had hosted on FSF and now is in MIT, right? |
| 18:13 |
dogi |
and in by doing this we finally have offical go |
| 18:13 |
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joito knows about sugarlabs being hosted in the medialab |
| 18:13 |
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pflores, yes |
| 18:14 |
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I had 2 servers ... one hosted in the medialab the other in fsf |
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nickolaspeter has left #treehouse |
| 18:14 |
pflores |
and now? |
| 18:14 |
dogi |
now both are in the medialab |
| 18:14 |
pflores |
ok, so they are only for hosting Sugar projects? |
| 18:15 |
dogi |
thanks to walter bender we now are official and not only tolerated |
| 18:15 |
pflores |
:) |
| 18:15 |
dogi |
pflores, mostly ... and all other children centric non-profits |
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like |
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#link http://schooltool.sugarlabs.org/ |
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or |
| 18:16 |
pflores |
ok... so how was it your agreement for AC? |
| 18:16 |
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(shame I have to ask this) |
| 18:16 |
dogi |
http://book.treehouse.su/ |
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and |
| 18:17 |
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#link http://library.ole.org/ |
| 18:17 |
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pflores, yes there is an agreement too with ... activitycentral.org |
| 18:17 |
pflores |
ok, good you're working with OLE |
| 18:18 |
dogi |
right now is working for OLE |
| 18:18 |
pflores |
which in this moment is just an alias/redirect for the .com |
| 18:18 |
dogi |
moment |
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#info agreement of activitycentral.org |
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#link http://meeting.treehouse.su/treehouse/2010-04-06 |
| 18:19 |
pflores |
dogi great! Say hello to ole folks! I hope to see them when in Boston |
| 18:19 |
dogi |
pflores, http://meeting.treehouse.su/tr[…]0-04-06#i_2600063 |
| 18:20 |
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and on that time AC was just an organization ... dream of dfarning |
| 18:21 |
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since then lots of stuff happened ... pflores can you tell us some milestones of AC |
| 18:21 |
pflores |
Mission: Provide technological solutions for educational projects in collaboration with the free software community Our focus: Provide comprehensive software development solutions for Sugar deployments Developing features and tools for deployments needs Complementing the contributions of different deployments Taking the olpc/sugar free software development culture into deployments work |
| 18:21 |
dogi |
likes that :) |
| 18:21 |
pflores |
sorry for the raw copy-paste |
| 18:22 |
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so AC wants to play a role in the ecosystem solving some of the deployments needs |
| 18:23 |
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however, it's a for-profit, which is partially a problem for being hosted at MIT, which I understand |
| 18:23 |
quidam |
not much info on the agreement in that minutes |
| 18:23 |
pflores |
quidam +1 |
| 18:23 |
dogi |
pflores, quidam when did AC buy the .com? |
| 18:24 |
pflores |
In 2010 |
| 18:24 |
dogi |
last entry in the waybackmachine is |
| 18:24 |
pflores |
I'm not sure exactly when |
| 18:24 |
quidam |
created: 2001-08-30 18:48:51 UTC |
| 18:24 |
dogi |
#link http://web.archive.org/web/201[…]ivitycentral.com/ |
| 18:24 |
pflores |
look! However it didn't have any info until 2010 |
| 18:25 |
dogi |
pflores, I know |
| 18:25 |
pflores |
I think around July 2010 |
| 18:25 |
quidam |
david probably bought an already registered domain |
| 18:25 |
dogi |
quidam, +1 |
| 18:26 |
pflores |
was your agreement with david based on the idea of having a .org or did you talk about the .com? |
| 18:26 |
dogi |
unfortunatly we are not allowed to host .com in the medialab ... |
| 18:27 |
pflores |
dogi I don't care much of the .com for the website, we can host it in different places |
| 18:27 |
dogi |
pflores, bingo since dfarning wasn t in #treehouse we never knew |
| 18:27 |
quidam |
we do, he explains it in the minutes |
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sort of |
| 18:27 |
dogi |
:) |
| 18:27 |
pflores |
my concern is about sharing infrastructure with sl as much as possible, or at least as much as it's beneficial for both parties |
| 18:28 |
dogi |
pflores, I understand you ... but I am not alone here ... ping _bernie |
| 18:28 |
quidam |
he is busy |
| 18:28 |
_bernie |
sorry guys, i'm at work now |
| 18:28 |
quidam |
see? :) |
| 18:28 |
dogi |
:) |
| 18:30 |
_bernie |
pflores, quidam: the right person to ask would be walter, but my sense is that it doesn't matter if it's a .com or a .org domain. the point is what the actual content is. |
| 18:30 |
pflores |
dogi: would you be ok with us hosting the web in another place? I think you mentioned an idea of hosting our VM in another place... |
| 18:31 |
dogi |
pflores, yes |
| 18:31 |
_bernie |
pflores, quidam: ac.com is the front site of a company, much like redhat.com or canonical.com. Dextrose and Sugar are free software projects and MIT can host them |
| 18:31 |
pflores |
_bernie dogi: according to what walter said in his mail, there's a real problem in having .com's in the MIT |
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(IIUC) |
| 18:32 |
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dogi please tell me more about your idea |
| 18:32 |
dogi |
I am working on that ... I have one machine already in the http://cictr.com/ |
| 18:32 |
_bernie |
pflores: i think walter was just simplifying. if we had bought sugarlabs.com, mit could host it, for sure. |
| 18:32 |
pflores |
_bernie ok |
| 18:33 |
dogi |
but right now I am only allowed to use this location for OLE related stuff |
| 18:33 |
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the best person to speak with is chrowe |
| 18:33 |
pflores |
ping chrowe hey Chris! |
| 18:34 |
dogi |
pflores, I ping him |
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he is in indymedia ... |
| 18:34 |
pflores |
ok, otherwise we could ask him by mail |
| 18:35 |
quidam |
well, what we know is that the main site for a company cannot be hosted at the medialab or at the fsf, so we moved ac.com and we can move it again to a definitive place outside those non-profits |
| 18:36 |
dogi |
pflores, _bernie I think the open source part of AC is host-able under activitycentral.org |
| 18:36 |
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ups in the ML |
| 18:37 |
pflores |
dogi what you mean with the "os part of AC"? See that it's difficult maintaining 2 websites profesionally |
| 18:37 |
dogi |
pflores, I know |
| 18:37 |
pflores |
(actually ours isn't very maintained currently :( ) |
| 18:38 |
quidam |
pflores: I think everything needed to collaborate with sugarlabs or deployments is ok to be shared or hosted by anyone |
| 18:38 |
pflores |
quidam do you think activitycentral.org could be a good place for putting our bugtracker for instance and working with the community? |
| 18:39 |
dogi |
pflores, it is only an option ... think the better solution is something like CIC or an other provider |
| 18:39 |
quidam |
pflores: as long as it is a public tracker to work in a free project, I don't thing there is a problem with it |
| 18:39 |
dogi |
pflores, yes something like this maybe :) |
| 18:40 |
pflores |
dogi yes, I think that's what we should do for the website. |
| 18:40 |
quidam |
ac.com seems to be a problem as it is mainly publicity for our for-profit |
| 18:40 |
dogi |
by the way |
| 18:41 |
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#info thank you quidam and pflores for your fast migration of activitycentral.com |
| 18:41 |
pflores |
dogi however there are "grey" areas. For instance, we could use a bugtracker for tasks with the community, but we also need a bt for internal tasks, which may not be considered part of the nonprofit |
| 18:41 |
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dogi yw :) |
| 18:42 |
quidam |
we would need walter's opinion on that |
| 18:42 |
dogi |
wanted to nail down walter on this too |
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:P |
| 18:43 |
pflores |
yep, I'm afraid we cannot move much forward wiithout him :( |
| 18:44 |
dogi |
and #treehouse is still tapping in the dark in all this matter ... guessing is right now the only approach |
| 18:44 |
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with this it is time for the next topic |
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??? |
| 18:44 |
pflores |
yep |
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I think so |
| 18:45 |
dogi |
moment forgot something ... for the record |
| 18:45 |
quidam |
dogi: there was the question of moving our vm to other of your machines |
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chrowe_ <chrowe_!~chroweqwebirc.media.mit.edu> has joined #treehouse |
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chrowe_ |
hi dogi |
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quidam |
but that depends on david's agreement with you, I guess |
| 18:46 |
dogi |
sorry for the next thing |
| 18:46 |
pflores |
chrowe_ hi Chris! |
| 18:46 |
dogi |
nemoomen:~$ dig www.activitycentral.com |
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; <<>> DiG 9.7.3 <<>> www.activitycentral.com |
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;; global options: +cmd |
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;; Got answer: |
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;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 61822 |
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;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 3, ADDITIONAL: 0 |
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;; QUESTION SECTION: |
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chrowe_ |
hi all |
| 18:46 |
dogi |
;www.activitycentral.com. IN A |
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;; ANSWER SECTION: |
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www.activitycentral.com. 86400 IN A 87.98.229.62 |
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;; AUTHORITY SECTION: |
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activitycentral.com. 86400 IN NS b.ns.joker.com. |
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activitycentral.com. 86400 IN NS a.ns.joker.com. |
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activitycentral.com. 86400 IN NS c.ns.joker.com. |
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;; Query time: 49 msec |
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;; SERVER: 204.9.223.19#53(204.9.223.19) |
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;; WHEN: Tue Mar 13 14:45:31 2012 |
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;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 114 |
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hi chrowe |
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chrowe_, http://meeting.treehouse.su/treehouse/2012-03-13 |
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<- backlog |
| 18:47 |
quidam |
87.98.229.62 is one of my machines at ovh |
| 18:47 |
dogi |
ovh? |
| 18:48 |
quidam |
french colo |
| 18:48 |
dogi |
quidam, do you wanna join #treehouse federation :) |
| 18:48 |
quidam |
uh? |
| 18:48 |
_bernie |
dogi: use "dig +short" next time |
| 18:48 |
dogi |
is in a too good mood |
| 18:48 |
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_bernie, ty |
| 18:49 |
quidam |
what's #treehouse federation? |
| 18:49 |
dogi |
quidam, http://munin.treehouse.su/gar/DOMs/index.html |
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... dom0 managed by this channel |
| 18:50 |
pflores |
dogi Maybe the best is that I write Walter asking him about our shared resources needs/proposals, ok? |
| 18:50 |
quidam |
hmm, ok |
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+1 |
| 18:51 |
dogi |
pflores, 0 ... meetings are public |
| 18:52 |
pflores |
dogi just for being sure to get to a conclussion |
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in this issue. Otherwise Walter may not follow-up on this |
| 18:52 |
dogi |
chrowe, do you see chance that CIC may host activitycentral.com |
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pflores, think you are right ... |
| 18:53 |
pflores |
#action pflores writes Walter asking him about ac's shared resources needs/proposals |
| 18:54 |
dogi |
+1 |
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ups chrowe_ |
| 18:55 |
chrowe_ |
dogi: not for free, I don't think |
| 18:55 |
dogi |
pflores and quidam will be in boston soon |
| 18:55 |
pflores |
it makes sense |
| 18:55 |
chrowe_ |
pflores: is there somethings special that you need running that you can't get from a cheap host? |
| 18:56 |
pflores |
chrowe_ not really in this moment |
| 18:56 |
chrowe_ |
pflores: OLE uses bluehost.com for our website |
| 18:56 |
dogi |
likes http://www.rackspace.com/ |
| 18:56 |
chrowe_ |
pflores: only $6/month |
| 18:57 |
pflores |
Yes, I agree we should pay for our host. |
| 18:57 |
chrowe_ |
pflores: we are only using treehouse because we are running a complex setup, nginx, solr, openoffice server, etc. |
| 18:58 |
dogi |
pflores, quidam when will you be in boston again? |
| 18:59 |
quidam |
dogi: I'll be from 17 to 19 and from 23 to 26 |
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and travel a bit in the middle |
| 19:00 |
pflores |
I'll be from 23 to 26 |
| 19:00 |
dogi |
will be back on the 20th ... palm springs I am coming |
| 19:00 |
pflores |
chrowe_ I'd like to meet OLE office in Boston :) |
| 19:01 |
quidam |
count me for that :) |
| 19:01 |
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and I'd like to visit the medialab too |
| 19:01 |
chrowe_ |
pflores: yes, when are you here? |
| 19:01 |
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pflores: I see now |
| 19:02 |
pflores |
in a couple of weeks :) |
| 19:02 |
chrowe_ |
in 10 days |
| 19:02 |
pflores |
yes, late next week :) |
| 19:02 |
chrowe_ |
pflores: I should be around, you have my email |
| 19:02 |
pflores |
chrowe_ ok! |
| 19:03 |
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dogi do you have more topics for discussing? |
| 19:03 |
dogi |
is jumping to the next topic |
| 19:03 |
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#topic welcome alsroot as treehouse cloud admin |
| 19:04 |
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#info As of yesterday alsroot has access to treehouse.treehouse.su |
| 19:04 |
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#link http://munin.treehouse.su/gar/[…]use.su/index.html |
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hope this is ok with you _bernie |
| 19:06 |
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and silbe |
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and rgs |
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#action dogi: delete fsfsys smparrish from treehouse.t.s |
| 19:06 |
silbe |
dogi: +1 - just remind him to coordinate with other admins on systems@ and #treehouse |
| 19:07 |
dogi |
+1 |
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... did that already for #treehouse and meetings |
| 19:08 |
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are there some other topic? |
| 19:08 |
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welcome with this alsroot :) |
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ups |
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forgot |
| 19:10 |
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#topic treehouse.treehouse.su status |
| 19:10 |
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#info treehouse is now running ubuntu 12.04 server |
| 19:10 |
pflores |
good! |
| 19:11 |
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dogi, offtopic: |
| 19:11 |
dogi |
treehouse:/home# kvm --version |
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QEMU emulator version 1.0 (qemu-kvm-1.0), Copyright (c) 2003-2008 Fabrice Bellard |
| 19:11 |
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pflores, :) |
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treehouse:/home# libvirtd --version |
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libvirtd (libvirt) 0.9.8 |
| 19:11 |
pflores |
do you know it the infrastructure team mailing list accepts messages from non-members? |
| 19:11 |
dogi |
pflores, I manage this ... |
| 19:11 |
pflores |
maybe I should write to this list instead of walter |
| 19:12 |
dogi |
there is lots of spam comming |
| 19:12 |
quidam |
dogi: you should move to trisquel ;) |
| 19:12 |
dogi |
quidam, :) which version is libvirtd and kvm in trisquel ... |
| 19:12 |
pflores |
ok, please don't treat my mail as spam :) |
| 19:13 |
dogi |
pflores, yes wirte to the list ... |
| 19:13 |
pflores |
ok! |
| 19:13 |
dogi |
s/wirte/write/ |
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quidam |
http://packages.trisquel.info/[…]&keywords=libvirt |
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http://packages.trisquel.info/[…]ames&keywords=kvm |
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we don't have a 12.04 based edition yet |
| 19:14 |
dogi |
#link http://meeting.treehouse.su/treehouse/2012-02-14 |
| 19:15 |
silbe |
pflores: AFAICT Walter isn't on systems@, but CC'ing systems@ on the mail to Walter would definitely be a good idea. |
| 19:15 |
dogi |
#action dogi fix the broken raid1 |
| 19:15 |
pflores |
silbe: +1 thabks! |
| 19:15 |
dogi |
#action dogi: migrate some VM from housetree to treehouse |
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so think with this we have now all |
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other topics ...? |
| 19:16 |
quidam |
dogi: btw, you don't happen to have some 300 spare GB laying around, right? |
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we need more mirrors :) |
| 19:17 |
dogi |
quidam, how is we? |
| 19:17 |
quidam |
trisquel, that is |
| 19:17 |
dogi |
ohh |
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is it for trisquel only or has it to do with children or education? |
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or/and |
| 19:20 |
quidam |
dogi: we have a focus on education, like with the toast project, which is a sugar based edition |
| 19:21 |
dogi |
quidam, ? nothing I have is really spare ... but lets discuss this in face to face in boston/cambridge ... ok? |
| 19:21 |
quidam |
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/T[…]_On_A_Sugar_Toast |
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sure :) |
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dogi |
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#endmeeting |
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