Time |
Nick |
Message |
16:06 |
dogi |
#info Date: 2010-03-23 |
16:06 |
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#info Time: 20:00 UTC (16:00 EST, 21:00 CET) |
16:06 |
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#info Agenda: http://openetherpad.org/0MCJmP85OM |
16:06 |
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#info Location: #treehouse on irc.oftc.net |
16:06 |
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#link http://embed.mibbit.com/?serve[…]nnel=%23treehouse |
16:07 |
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#topic agenda |
16:07 |
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#info * last meeting |
16:07 |
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#info aslocamp @ RIT update (http://www.rit.edu/academicaff[…]tudentinnovation/ )-dfarning will talk to prof stevens this evening and sort out scheudal. The chose weekend is all ready rather full of events on campus. |
16:07 |
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#info remote power control for ASLO RIT |
16:07 |
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#info new actividadesVM on housetree (http://activities.olpcorps.net/ ) |
16:07 |
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#info new monitoringVM on treehouse (http://monitoring.sugarlabs.org/ ) |
16:07 |
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#info new schooltoolVM on treehouse (http://schooltool.sugarlabs.org/ ) |
16:07 |
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#info new rtVM on treehouse (http://rt.sugarlabs.org ) |
16:07 |
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#info new sharingVM on treehouse (http://sharing.sugarlabs.org ) |
16:07 |
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#info * test fairy - treehousers (http://idea.sugarlabs.org ) |
16:07 |
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#info * access fairy - treehousers |
16:07 |
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silbe, dfarning_laptop is there something to add |
16:07 |
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#info discussion about clustering and filesystems |
16:08 |
dfarning_laptop |
that looks complete |
16:08 |
silbe |
20:56 < silbe> I've got three additional topics: DNS, keyserver, moderation plugin for Trac |
16:09 |
hhardy |
monitoring vm? |
16:09 |
dogi |
hi hhardy yes |
16:09 |
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try to login |
16:09 |
hhardy |
later... will have tog et keys from thinker... |
16:10 |
dogi |
:) |
16:10 |
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#topic last meeting |
16:10 |
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#info Usefull Links: |
16:10 |
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#info LastAgenda: |
16:10 |
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#link http://openetherpad.org/S4ogRbK1YK |
16:10 |
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#info LastLog: |
16:10 |
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#link http://me.etin.gs/treehouse/tr[…]0100316_1704.html |
16:10 |
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#info LastMinutes: |
16:10 |
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#link http://me.etin.gs/treehouse/tr[…]0100316_1704.html |
16:10 |
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#info NextAgenda: |
16:10 |
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#link http://openetherpad.org/WwWmUiMz5U |
16:10 |
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#info actioncheck |
16:10 |
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#done dogi createVM acitvidades rt schooltool monitoring sharing |
16:10 |
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are there some done actions to add? |
16:11 |
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#topic aslocamp @ RIT update (http://www.rit.edu/academicaff[…]tudentinnovation/ ) |
16:11 |
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#info dfarning will talk to prof stevens this evening and sort out scheudal. The chose weekend is all ready rather full of events on campus. |
16:12 |
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dfarning_laptop, /me is curious tell me something |
16:12 |
dfarning_laptop |
soory on other line. |
16:12 |
dogi |
ok |
16:13 |
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#link http://www.rit.edu/academicaff[…]tudentinnovation/ |
16:13 |
dfarning_laptop |
I got a brief email from prof jacobs that the planned weekend was already pretty full |
16:13 |
dogi |
I know ... |
16:14 |
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but think I could stay longer and then go back by train |
16:14 |
silbe |
will be half-afk, watching documentary film about OLPC in TV (sorry) |
16:14 |
dfarning_laptop |
If it dosen't work for a bootcamp/hackfest mayyou can set up the equipment |
16:14 |
dogi |
sure :) |
16:15 |
dfarning_laptop |
and we can hold an event a little later. |
16:15 |
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after you get back from italy |
16:15 |
dogi |
+1 |
16:15 |
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but we will move the servers as planned ... |
16:15 |
dfarning_laptop |
yes, I think that is best. |
16:16 |
dogi |
#topic remote power control |
16:16 |
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#info also @ RIT needs something similar |
16:16 |
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#link http://www.aviosys.com/ippower9258.htm |
16:16 |
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#link https://azug.minpet.unibas.ch/[…]wer_Switch_IP9258 |
16:16 |
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#link http://www.amazon.com/gp/searc[…]F8&qid=1268942079 |
16:16 |
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#idea better/other suggestions? |
16:16 |
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by the way dfarning_laptop |
16:16 |
dfarning_laptop |
dogi, djbclark have an idea? |
16:17 |
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sorry did djbclark have an idea? |
16:17 |
dogi |
when should we test the final setup for aslo in pika? |
16:18 |
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or we could buy that one djbclark already provided |
16:19 |
dfarning_laptop |
dogi, I think we should wait until every thing is at RIT before doing the testing. |
16:19 |
dogi |
:) |
16:20 |
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#topic new actividadesVM on housetree |
16:20 |
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#info actividades.com s new home |
16:20 |
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#link http://activities.olpcorps.net/ |
16:20 |
dfarning_laptop |
I have just been running out of time.... |
16:21 |
dogi |
ok |
16:21 |
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wanted only to ask if the vm is fine |
16:21 |
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? |
16:21 |
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and you have access to sudo |
16:21 |
dfarning_laptop |
Yes, vm is working fine am uploading drupal as we speak. |
16:22 |
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sudo works fine... installed mysql and apache |
16:22 |
dogi |
#topic new monitoringVM on treehouse |
16:22 |
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#info the new home of munin |
16:22 |
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#link http://monitoring.sugarlabs.org/ |
16:22 |
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#info strange munin log on treehouse |
16:22 |
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#link http://sunjammer.sugarlabs.org[…].org-libvirt.html |
16:22 |
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#idea give aslo-web only 3 cpus? |
16:22 |
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#action hhardy recipe for bigsister and munin install |
16:22 |
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cool :) |
16:22 |
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dfarning_laptop, have there a strange shake in munin |
16:23 |
hhardy |
ok |
16:23 |
dogi |
do you know what was that |
16:23 |
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hi hhardy |
16:23 |
hhardy |
should be able to be distilled from .bash_history |
16:23 |
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the scripts |
16:24 |
dogi |
this sounds great |
16:24 |
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hhardy, do you have acces to treehouse and housetree |
16:25 |
hhardy |
why was the cpu plateuing like that? |
16:25 |
dfarning_laptop |
dogi, three cpu would be fine for aslo. |
16:25 |
hhardy |
not that I know of |
16:25 |
dogi |
#action dogi 3cpu on aslo-web |
16:26 |
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hhardy, you should ... |
16:26 |
dfarning_laptop |
hhardy, I think the high cpu load was due to a problem with the network bridge which dogi has been working on |
16:26 |
hhardy |
a loop? |
16:27 |
dogi |
dfarning_laptop, for me it is more who fixed it ... I didnt ... |
16:27 |
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and what was it ... |
16:27 |
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is there more to speak here? |
16:27 |
dfarning_laptop |
dogi, I thought that was the bridge memory leak you were taking about. |
16:28 |
dogi |
hmm no not that know |
16:28 |
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_bernie, did a beamrider test |
16:28 |
hhardy |
treehouse FQDN? |
16:28 |
dogi |
treehouse.[sugarlabs.org|olpcorps.net] |
16:29 |
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hhardy, sended you a private message |
16:31 |
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#topic new schooltoolVM on treehouse |
16:31 |
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#info connect sugar to schooltool |
16:31 |
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#link http://schooltool.sugarlabs.org/ |
16:31 |
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#info recipe |
16:31 |
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#link http://book.schooltool.org/htmlhelp/install.html |
16:31 |
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hhardy, +1 |
16:33 |
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lfaraone, by the way tell us something about the new sunjammer :) |
16:33 |
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maybe next time |
16:33 |
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#topic new rtVM on treehouse (http://rt.sugarlabs.org ) |
16:33 |
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#info will be the end postmaster and other emails? |
16:33 |
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#action lfaraone install rt |
16:34 |
_bernie |
dogi: yep |
16:34 |
dogi |
lfaraone, you should have on both access |
16:34 |
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hi _bernie |
16:34 |
_bernie |
dogi: it worked... more or less :) |
16:34 |
dogi |
the beamrider update |
16:34 |
hhardy |
hi _bernie |
16:34 |
dogi |
more? |
16:34 |
_bernie |
hhardy: hi! |
16:34 |
dogi |
or less? |
16:34 |
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some quickfixes? |
16:35 |
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... so for sunjammer jaunty to karmic update you learned something? |
16:35 |
hhardy |
no access to treehouse |
16:36 |
dogi |
#action dogi fix hhardy on treehouse |
16:36 |
hhardy |
or housetree |
16:37 |
dogi |
there is no ssh key there |
16:37 |
hhardy |
there... where? |
16:37 |
dogi |
on treehouse |
16:37 |
hhardy |
right or password |
16:37 |
dogi |
#topic new sharingVM on treehouse (http://sharing.sugarlabs.org ) |
16:37 |
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#info test environment for having the server side for documentsharing |
16:37 |
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#idea samba? |
16:37 |
hhardy |
samba? why? |
16:38 |
dogi |
hhardy, silbe _bernie dfarning_laptop is there a simple way to give access to a networkfolder |
16:38 |
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webdav |
16:38 |
hhardy |
imap |
16:38 |
silbe |
dogi: sshfs? |
16:39 |
dogi |
sure an easy to implement in sugar? |
16:39 |
hhardy |
coda |
16:39 |
dogi |
python libraries |
16:39 |
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tested coda already |
16:40 |
silbe |
dogi: let's talk about that more detailed some other time |
16:40 |
dogi |
ok |
16:40 |
hhardy |
afs |
16:40 |
dogi |
#idea webdav must have python libraries? |
16:41 |
hhardy |
subversion |
16:42 |
dogi |
hhardy, that is a good point versioning |
16:42 |
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#idea +versioning |
16:42 |
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#topic test fairy |
16:42 |
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#info eat your own dogfood |
16:42 |
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#info since web2.0 has the same problems a party has to being good |
16:42 |
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#info we have to produce some content for having this service starting |
16:42 |
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#link http://idea.sugarlabs.org |
16:42 |
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#action every treehouser has to produce two ideas for the next week |
16:42 |
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#info We have more then 200 visits a day ... please write ideas |
16:42 |
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#link http://ideas.sugarlabs.org |
16:43 |
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#action dogi write schooltool idea |
16:43 |
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#topic access fairy |
16:43 |
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#info silbe needs housetree and treehouse access ... |
16:44 |
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hhardy, _bernie ? |
16:44 |
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all in favor? |
16:44 |
hhardy |
yes? |
16:44 |
dogi |
+1 |
16:44 |
hhardy |
no I don't like idea... |
16:44 |
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everytime you bring it up I get a headache |
16:44 |
dogi |
to give silbe full access on treehouse |
16:45 |
hhardy |
-1 idea |
16:45 |
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Occam's Razor |
16:45 |
dogi |
:) |
16:45 |
hhardy |
lol |
16:45 |
dogi |
I remember that dicussion |
16:46 |
hhardy |
yes |
16:46 |
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it encourages users to feel empowered to demand things and expect them to magically happen |
16:46 |
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rather use rt for that lol |
16:46 |
dogi |
no idea is nothing for hhardy ... dogi knows that already |
16:47 |
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hhardy, I am the opinion that silbe needs access on housetree/treehouse |
16:47 |
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wanted only to have your consens |
16:48 |
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+1 from dogi |
16:48 |
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_bernie, |
16:48 |
hhardy |
I am not going to block consensus |
16:48 |
dogi |
thx hhardy |
16:48 |
hhardy |
so zero then |
16:49 |
dogi |
#action dogi give silbe access to treehouse/housetree |
16:49 |
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+1 of 2 |
16:51 |
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#topic discussion about clustering and filesystems |
16:51 |
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#info ceph is in the new linux kernel ... |
16:51 |
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#link http://ceph.newdream.net/ |
16:52 |
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could that be a solution for our nfs problems? dfarning_laptop ? |
16:52 |
hhardy |
Cool |
16:52 |
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nfs... ewwwww |
16:53 |
dfarning_laptop |
looks pretty new :) |
16:53 |
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I'll give it a look |
16:54 |
dogi |
hhardy, right now nfs is doing a good job between sunjammer and aslo-web |
16:55 |
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basically 2 Virtual Machine connected by nfs |
16:56 |
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silbe, tell me something about the movie ... |
16:56 |
hhardy |
http://docs.hp.com/en/5992-0715/ch08s01.html |
16:56 |
silbe |
dogi: it's interesting actually seeing all the OLPC folks :) |
16:57 |
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richard smith just talked about solar power... |
16:57 |
dogi |
#link http://www.arte.tv/de/woche/24[…]12,year=2010.html |
16:58 |
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#link http://www.arte.tv/fr/semaine/[…]12,year=2010.html |
16:58 |
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german french |
16:59 |
_bernie |
sorry guys, I was busy with something at the office |
17:00 |
silbe |
ok, film is over, I'm attentive now :) |
17:00 |
dogi |
is recording the german stream ... let s hope that works ... sitting in us and not in eu |
17:01 |
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_bernie, silbe what do you think is the best solution for aslo in the cluster mode ... |
17:02 |
silbe |
dogi: solution for what exactly? |
17:02 |
_bernie |
I'm also +1 on getting silbe on housetree/treehouse |
17:02 |
dogi |
_bernie, thx |
17:02 |
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#done beamrider update test |
17:03 |
hhardy |
sure silbe and me also pls |
17:03 |
dogi |
is beamrider still usable |
17:04 |
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hi basti |
17:04 |
basti |
hey dogi |
17:05 |
dogi |
http://me.etin.gs/treehouse/tr[…]0100323_1606.html |
17:05 |
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think it time to end the meeting ... |
17:05 |
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#endmeeting |
17:09 |
_bernie |
uh? |
17:09 |
dogi |
<meeting> Meeting finished at 17:05. |
17:09 |
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<meeting> Logs available at http://me.etin.gs/treehouse/tr[…]0100323_1606.html |
17:09 |
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<hhardy> dogi, IHoP in harard sqare at 18:00? |
17:09 |
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<dogi> yes hhardy |
17:09 |
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<hhardy> doh Harvard^2 |
17:09 |
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<hhardy> ok you know the way? |
17:09 |
_bernie |
again? |
17:09 |
dogi |
<dogi> Central^2 = kendall^2 + Harvard^2 |
17:09 |
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<hhardy> if not say so and I will meet you at the top of the escalator |
17:09 |
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<silbe> uh, what about my topics? |
17:09 |
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<hhardy> so that would make central the hypoteneuse |
17:09 |
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<dogi> which topic? |
17:09 |
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<silbe> 21:08 < silbe> 20:56 < silbe> I've got three additional topics: DNS, keyserver, moderation plugin for Trac |
17:09 |
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<dogi> ooohhh sorry |
17:09 |
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<lfaraone> dogi: back. Okay, I can handle that. |
17:09 |
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<lfaraone> dogi: in other news, blackrock (new solarsail) arrived |
17:10 |
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#info blackrock new solarsail arrived |
17:10 |
_bernie |
lfaraone: very good news! what's the status? do you also have drives and memory? |
17:10 |
dogi |
#topic blackrock |
17:10 |
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silbe you are next ... |
17:10 |
silbe |
ok, so DNS first |
17:11 |
dogi |
ack silbe |
17:11 |
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lfaraone, do like more to write an email about blackrock? |
17:11 |
silbe |
I've finished the "backend" stuff (resolve external host names to IP addresses, convert tinydns format data files -> BIND format). |
17:12 |
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now the question is how we want the "frontend" stuff, i.e. the config files we actually edit, to look like. |
17:12 |
dogi |
silbe, great git bind repo by the way ... |
17:12 |
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it worked out of the box |
17:12 |
lfaraone |
dogi: wait, are we talking about blackrock or DNS? :) |
17:12 |
dogi |
lfaraone, |
17:13 |
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blackrock still |
17:13 |
lfaraone |
_bernie: no, the hard disks and RAM did not arrive. |
17:13 |
silbe |
oh, must have misunderstood the "your are next", sorry. |
17:13 |
lfaraone |
but the machine seems very speedy, and I like the intergreted - lights - out console. |
17:14 |
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it's currently awating additional parts before we install it at TWIX. |
17:14 |
dogi |
lfaraone, who is we? |
17:14 |
lfaraone |
the warranty is good through mid 2012, iirc. |
17:15 |
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dogi: I'll be transferring it to a TWIX employee once neuralis is satisfied with the configuration. |
17:15 |
hhardy |
+1 ILO |
17:15 |
dogi |
ahh neuralis and lfaraone is we :) |
17:16 |
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sounds great ... |
17:17 |
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hope we will have next week more infos .... |
17:18 |
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next topic lfaraone ? |
17:19 |
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#topic dns |
17:19 |
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silbe |
17:19 |
silbe |
ok, see above :) |
17:19 |
dogi |
keyserver? |
17:19 |
silbe |
let's do dns first |
17:19 |
dogi |
k |
17:21 |
silbe |
are tinydns format files with comments fine or should we do something more fancy? |
17:22 |
dogi |
lol for me right now the git bind repo is already great ... is there an improvment to that? |
17:22 |
silbe |
dogi: tinydns certainly is an improvement over BIND :-P |
17:23 |
dogi |
trusts your taste |
17:23 |
hhardy |
don't really know tinydns but it has pretty much replaced BIND now |
17:24 |
silbe |
ok, unless someone proposes a better format, I'm going to stick with plain tinydns format files (one per domain, with symlinks for domains that are supposed to be the same) for now. We can always do something more fancy later. |
17:25 |
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hhardy: we're not going to replace BIND itself (for now :D), just the input format |
17:25 |
_bernie |
dfarning_laptop: mirrorbrain is sending python errors on cron. can you have a look |
17:25 |
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silbe: as long as the new input format is nicer to edit, I'm all for it! |
17:25 |
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silbe: take into account dnssec... I'm going to sign the zones as soon as I find some time |
17:25 |
dogi |
as long as you don t destroy the actual git process you have an ok from me |
17:26 |
_bernie |
silbe: can you post to systems@ with an example of the new zone format? |
17:26 |
silbe |
the advantage of the tinydns format is that you don't need to remember to a) increase the serial number and b) create PTR records as tinydns-data will do that for you. |
17:26 |
_bernie |
I'm not familiar with djb's format, but I've seen some people boycotting it for missing features |
17:26 |
silbe |
_bernie: I'll check it in on lightwave (but inactive) as soon as I've finished converting the "old" files. |
17:27 |
_bernie |
silbe: k |
17:27 |
silbe |
_bernie: I much prefer the tinydns format for editing, but it's obviously a matter of preference |
17:27 |
_bernie |
silbe: do you need to expand the hd of lightwave still? |
17:27 |
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dfarning_laptop: today we found out that the paraguayeduca mirror is not being chosen when we download from the office |
17:28 |
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dfarning_laptop: can you explain to me how to diagnose this type of problem? |
17:28 |
silbe |
_bernie: as for lacking features, I haven't seen any serious complaint yet. Unlike BIND, tinydns can handle any record type using a generic type. You don't need to upgrade tinydns to use some fancy new record. |
17:29 |
_bernie |
silbe: but you have to specify weird magic numbers maybe? |
17:29 |
silbe |
_bernie: as for DNSSEC, I still hope someone does a filter that signs the zones. tinydns itself doesn't need to be modified. |
17:29 |
dogi |
keyserver |
17:30 |
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#topic keyserver |
17:30 |
silbe |
_bernie: yes, you need to give the raw contents. But that's what filters implemented in Python are for ;) |
17:30 |
dogi |
_bernie, did not extended lightwave |
17:30 |
silbe |
_bernie: (at least for SPF, I'm already doing so for my own domains) |
17:30 |
hhardy |
BIND sucks as far as being very subject to human error |
17:30 |
dogi |
but treehouse-srv is now 50G bigger |
17:30 |
hhardy |
oops misplaced period... oops forgot to increment |
17:31 |
silbe |
hhardy: +1, that's why I'm so keen on replacing it at least for the front end part ASAP |
17:31 |
hhardy |
oops forgot to restart it |
17:32 |
silbe |
the only advantage that BIND has currently is DNSSEC support - not because I think DNSSEC is great (though it seems to have improved), but because it might be required by registrars soon. |
17:32 |
dogi |
silbe, is the VM extention needed on lightwave 20GB? |
17:32 |
silbe |
hhardy: as for the restarting part, our post-receive hook of the git repo already takes care of that :) |
17:32 |
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dogi: yep |
17:33 |
dogi |
#action dogi extent lightwaveVM +20GB |
17:34 |
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I have to go soon |
17:34 |
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silbe ... |
17:34 |
hhardy |
dogi I will see you at the station at 18:15 is that enough time? |
17:34 |
silbe |
ok, that was the second topic already |
17:34 |
hhardy |
at the up escalator? |
17:34 |
silbe |
so #3, Trac |
17:35 |
hhardy |
oh sorry one mroe topic |
17:35 |
dogi |
#topic trac plugin |
17:35 |
hhardy |
the moderation patch |
17:35 |
silbe |
everyone read my mail on systems@? |
17:35 |
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any suggestions / objections to my plan? |
17:36 |
dogi |
silbe which of the many |
17:37 |
silbe |
Message-ID: <20100315200204.GB8752 twin.sascha.silbe.org> |
17:37 |
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Subject: [Systems] Trac: using TicketModeratorPlugin to filter SPAM |
17:37 |
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:02:04 +0100 |
17:39 |
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dogi: ^^ |
17:40 |
dogi |
hmm |
17:40 |
dfarning_laptop |
_bernie, I am looking into the mirrorbrain problem |
17:41 |
dogi |
silbe, I dont find that mail |
17:42 |
silbe |
dogi: try the archive (you'll need your mailman password IIRC) |
17:42 |
_bernie |
dfarning_laptop: thanks |
17:42 |
dfarning_laptop |
_bernie, http://mirrors.sugarlabs.org/ looks good. |
17:42 |
_bernie |
dfarning_laptop: yeah, I went there first |
17:42 |
dogi |
has to go ... |
17:43 |
_bernie |
dfarning_laptop: if you need an account on a machine in paraguay, let me know |
17:43 |
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dogi: bye |
17:43 |
silbe |
I take that as no objections and will execute my plan then :) |
17:43 |
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dogi: cya |
17:43 |
dogi |
and since nobody else reclaimed until now ... |
17:43 |
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silbe +1 |
17:43 |
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