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| 21:00 | tony37 <tony37!~tonycpe-2606-A000-AFC3-4100-F165-5938-679B-782.dyn6.twc.com> has joined #sugar-newbies |
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| 21:01 | tony37 | hello |
| 21:06 | Hello | |
| 21:07 | samsongoddy <samsongoddy!~androirc169.159.120.196> has joined #sugar-newbies |
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| 21:08 | samsongoddy | Hi |
| 21:08 | tony37 | hi |
| 21:09 | samsongoddy | How are you doing tony |
| 21:09 | tony37 | fine, you/ |
| 21:09 | samsongoddy | I am great |
| 21:10 | So I meet with my team on Sunday.. | |
| 21:10 | And i told them about our discussion | |
| 21:10 | tony37 | great! |
| 21:10 | samsongoddy | They really liked the idea |
| 21:12 | So last time we talked about school server.. I want to know more about been a deployment | |
| 21:12 | tony37 | ok, what do you want to know? |
| 21:13 | samsongoddy | Aside from the task at hand.. do I need to know about anything |
| 21:14 | tony37 | I hope you get your hands very dirty! For me a deployment is a system consisting of the school server, local area network and the laptops. |
| 21:15 | samsongoddy | Okay |
| 21:16 | So here is my plan | |
| 21:16 | tony37 | Ok |
| 21:16 | samsongoddy | Like I said giving this school support is the easy part |
| 21:16 | The hard part is funding.. which is one of the main talk | |
| 21:21 | tony37 | yes |
| 21:21 | samsongoddy | Okay.. |
| 21:21 | So let's plan your visit to Nigeria | |
| 21:21 | tony37 | ok |
| 21:22 | samsongoddy | First t |
| 21:22 | We will have to talk about security | |
| 21:22 | tony37 | yes |
| 21:23 | samsongoddy | I am proposing a police man to be your escorts |
| 21:23 | I already talk to my dad.. who happen to be an officer of the Nigerian Airforce Base | |
| 21:24 | We told me that he will take me to a police station close by to make necessary arrangements | |
| 21:24 | tony37 | Where would I stay there? |
| 21:25 | samsongoddy | In a hotel called presidential hotel port harcourt |
| 21:25 | You can Google it | |
| 21:25 | tony37 | ok |
| 21:25 | samsongoddy | The most secured place in portharcourt |
| 21:25 | tony37 | so I would need transportation from the hotel to the air field or would we meet at the hotel |
| 21:26 | samsongoddy | Yes we will meet at the hotel |
| 21:26 | tony37 | ok |
| 21:26 | samsongoddy | We will need escorts when moving around |
| 21:26 | tony37 | right |
| 21:27 | samsongoddy | Like moving from Port Harcourt to bayelsa state |
| 21:27 | tony37 | yes |
| 21:27 | samsongoddy | Because that would be a road trip |
| 21:27 | tony37 | so we need to get a car and driver |
| 21:27 | samsongoddy | Yes I will arrange that |
| 21:27 | tony37 | good |
| 21:28 | samsongoddy | Going to the other school in akwa ibom will be on air. |
| 21:28 | tony37 | okay |
| 21:28 | samsongoddy | We will Fly to Lagos then from Lagos to akwa ibom |
| 21:28 | tony37 | ok |
| 21:28 | samsongoddy | Because using land is more that 7 hours trip |
| 21:29 | Which is bad for you | |
| 21:29 | tony37 | when supporting that school would you need to fly or travel overland? |
| 21:29 | samsongoddy | To akwa ibom yes.. but bayelsa I might use land |
| 21:29 | It depends | |
| 21:30 | tony37 | we need to consider that in the budget |
| 21:30 | samsongoddy | Akwa ibom is too far to travel from Port harcourt |
| 21:31 | We will have to go from Lagos by air then land in akwa ibom | |
| 21:31 | tony37 | ok - that trip will help me to explain the problem to Rudolf or Walter |
| 21:32 | at a minimum you will need to go for a couple of days to set up the deployment | |
| 21:32 | and provide workshop instruction | |
| 21:35 | samsongoddy has quit IRC | |
| 21:38 | tony37 | lost you? |
| 21:38 | samsongoddy <samsongoddy!~androirc169.159.117.102> has joined #sugar-newbies |
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| 21:38 | samsongoddy | Hello I am back |
| 21:39 | tony37 | great |
| 21:39 | samsongoddy | So you where saying? |
| 21:39 | tony37 | let's talk about my time in Port Harcourt |
| 21:40 | I see two days to set up a school server (most of the time is spent watching files being copied so there is time to discuss. | |
| 21:41 | We then will need to set up an XO from the school server. I believe it is important that all of the laptops be installed with the same version of Sugar and sugar activities | |
| 21:41 | samsongoddy | Yes |
| 21:42 | tony37 | Then we need to go over how the laptops can be used at the deployment. My understanding is that the students are allowed to take the laptops home. |
| 21:42 | If so, this is a major advantage | |
| 21:42 | samsongoddy | We proposed one week |
| 21:42 | Yes | |
| 21:42 | They take the computers home | |
| 21:43 | tony37 | So the trip to the schools will take a day each at a minimum |
| 21:43 | samsongoddy | Yes |
| 21:43 | We will be staying at a hotel for both schools | |
| 21:43 | tony37 | So perhaps we should use a weekend up front for meetings at the hotel and then plan to go to the schools during the week. |
| 21:44 | samsongoddy | I am dafting a proposal for cost |
| 21:44 | Yes sure | |
| 21:44 | tony37 | After the school visits we will need at least a day at the hotel to work up an action plan to support them. |
| 21:45 | samsongoddy | Yes |
| 21:45 | So let's say two days for each schools | |
| 21:46 | That's four days total | |
| 21:46 | tony37 | Plus two days before and probably two days after at Port Harcourt |
| 21:47 | samsongoddy | Yes |
| 21:47 | So we are looking at 7-8 days max | |
| 21:49 | tony37 | I don't have tickets yet - but I expect to arrive in Kigali on Nov. 22. I will need a day to fly from Kigali to Port Harcourt (by way of Abuja). |
| 21:49 | samsongoddy | Okay |
| 21:50 | tony37 | Probably Kigali on Nov 23. |
| 21:50 | samsongoddy | I will draft the cost of all things then we will go from there |
| 21:50 | tony37 | OK |
| 21:50 | samsongoddy | I will reach you this week this week |
| 21:51 | tony37 | On another topic. Your team has been involved in the localization task. What is your experience in Python, javascript and Linux command line? |
| 21:52 | samsongoddy | Python is still working on it.. same with Linux command line.. Java script good |
| 21:52 | Same with ibiam | |
| 21:52 | tony37 | My trip to London got pushed back to Nov 20. I am still trying to get tickets for that |
| 21:53 | samsongoddy | Okay |
| 21:53 | tony37 | The school server software (like Sugar) is heavily python. The main application server-side is Django. |
| 21:53 | So specifics on the trip to Nigeria later this week should be fine. | |
| 21:54 | Moodle is based on php | |
| 21:55 | In most cases the laptops access the school server via the browse activity (html, css, and javascript) | |
| 21:56 | samsongoddy | I am cool with html and a bit of cash |
| 21:56 | css rather | |
| 21:56 | tony37 | I think the main benefit of this effort to your team will be demonstrating for your cv your ability to work at a professional technical level in these technologies |
| 21:57 | samsongoddy | Yeah I understand |
| 21:57 | I was responsible for my junior high school development with seed | |
| 21:57 | tony37 | For example, Bernie needs a valid home in github. One important goal for you and your team is to be visible on the relevant mailing lists |
| 21:58 | samsongoddy | Yeah that was our discussion on Sunday |
| 21:59 | tony37 | So in my visit I want to walk you through the internals of the school server implementation |
| 22:00 | samsongoddy | Okay sounds cool |
| 22:01 | tony37 | One possible item is to determine how this software can be be put up on github to enable mutual developement projects |
| 22:01 | samsongoddy | I don't understand.. could you explain more |
| 22:02 | tony37 | Is there a reasonably reliable way to send usb sticks from Port Harcourt to the schools |
| 22:03 | samsongoddy | Yes there is |
| 22:03 | Fedx | |
| 22:03 | tony37 | As you know both xsce and sugar are maintained on github and, for Sugar, developed by PRs. The problem is that 'bernie' consists of software suitable for maintenance on github and large content repositories that are not. For example, some components come in at 90+GB. |
| 22:04 | So if a ss setup from bernie is to be updated a year later, the question is how to maintain version control and how to distribute the update. | |
| 22:04 | samsongoddy | Oh |
| 22:04 | Okay | |
| 22:04 | tony37 | That is good because you may need to send updates to the schools by usb stick. |
| 22:05 | samsongoddy | Sure |
| 22:05 | tony37 | You said the schools were sitting exams in November. Does this mean the new school year starts in January |
| 22:05 | samsongoddy | Yes |
| 22:06 | So the best time is the last week of November | |
| 22:06 | tony37 | That is important. Rwanda has a similar schedule. I try to make sure that all changes to software and content are completed between the years and to provide a teacher workshop before the new school year starts. |
| 22:07 | samsongoddy | We can still do a quick workshop during visit to the schools |
| 22:07 | tony37 | This year I will have a similar problem - how to do a workshop at two different schools too far apart to handle in one session |
| 22:08 | I think a two day workshop would be enough if the schools have experience with the laptops. If they are new to them - it will take longer to build their confidence in using them with the students. | |
| 22:09 | samsongoddy | They have |
| 22:09 | They have been working with xo for years | |
| 22:10 | tony37 | Great! Now what we need to know is what is working and what they would like to have to make them more useful. |
| 22:10 | Are both schools primary or primary/secondary? | |
| 22:11 | samsongoddy | Akwa yes |
| 22:11 | But bayelsa no | |
| 22:11 | tony37 | bayelsa is only primary school - grades 1-6 |
| 22:12 | samsongoddy | Yes |
| 22:13 | tony37 | I got the impression that bayelsa may be using the laptops more intensively than Akwa. Akwa has 1400 laptops. How many does bayelsa have? |
| 22:14 | samsongoddy | Close to a thousand. I am not sure I will have to confirm |
| 22:14 | tony37 | do these schools operate two shifts so the students are only on campus for half a day? |
| 22:16 | samsongoddy | Normal schools run 8am till 2pm |
| 22:16 | Each day | |
| 22:16 | tony37 | 1400 laptops implies 1400 students |
| 22:17 | samsongoddy | I don't think they have that exact students |
| 22:17 | The reserve are added to it | |
| 22:17 | tony37 | You mentioned class size of 80 so this would be 15 or more classrooms |
| 22:18 | samsongoddy | Yes for the akwa ibom but I am not too sure about bayelsa |
| 22:19 | tony37 | I mention this because a typical access point can handle 15 connections. This suggests a need for three or four in each classroom - or somewhere around 50. I am not sure this is practical. |
| 22:19 | samsongoddy | I will get more info from the school in bayelsa |
| 22:20 | tony37 | I understand that both schools have adequate electricity available although subject to outages |
| 22:20 | samsongoddy | Yes |
| 22:20 | Both of them | |
| 22:20 | tony37 | One problem in Nepal is that the homes may not have electricity |
| 22:20 | True also in Rwanda for 20% of the homes. | |
| 22:21 | samsongoddy | Well I think the akwa ibom have a good electricity |
| 22:21 | Bayelsa not too sure | |
| 22:22 | But Nigeria is trying with power these days | |
| 22:22 | tony37 | One problem encountered in Nepal is that allowing students to take the AC adapter home resulted in a lot being lost. |
| 22:23 | samsongoddy | Here the school owns chargers same with the student |
| 22:23 | tony37 | So there are two adapters - one at school and one at home? |
| 22:23 | samsongoddy | Yes |
| 22:23 | tony37 | Super! |
| 22:24 | samsongoddy | In my school is called SEED lab |
| 22:24 | I think it applies to the two schools | |
| 22:24 | I am 90% sure | |
| 22:24 | tony37 | Lap suggests one dedicated classroom for the laptops. Not laptops in use in each classroom. |
| 22:25 | samsongoddy | Yes |
| 22:25 | tony37 | So while each student has a laptop, they only use it in the school once or twice a week? |
| 22:25 | samsongoddy | They have routine for charger for those that loss their charger |
| 22:26 | Nigeria is every day | |
| 22:26 | Looking at my junior high experience | |
| 22:26 | tony37 | Each day you had time scheduled in the lab? |
| 22:27 | samsongoddy | Yes for short workshops |
| 22:27 | tony37 | Did the teacher assign tasks for you in these labs or did you work on your own projects |
| 22:28 | samsongoddy | They do.. we use tools like scratch |
| 22:28 | Turtle arts | |
| 22:28 | Paint for project | |
| 22:29 | Lots of fun things | |
| 22:29 | tony37 | OK, I am starting to get a picture. |
| 22:29 | How did you move from Turtle Art and Scratch to html? | |
| 22:29 | samsongoddy | I don't understand |
| 22:30 | Your question | |
| 22:30 | tony37 | You are now proficient in Linux and creating pages in html, css. In school you used scratch and turtle blocks. How did you learn text programming? |
| 22:31 | samsongoddy | Pdfs |
| 22:31 | I did my research | |
| 22:31 | Also codecademy | |
| 22:31 | tony37 | How did you get started on this path? |
| 22:32 | samsongoddy | I was sponsored by Schlumberger to a five weeks programming summer class |
| 22:32 | tony37 | Great and good for Schlumberger |
| 22:33 | samsongoddy | Where bunch of MIT students taught me how to use C language to program Lego nxt bricks |
| 22:33 | So that why I went into CS | |
| 22:34 | also I was a volunteer facilitator at SEED | |
| 22:34 | tony37 | Have you ever tried to code in c on the XO? |
| 22:34 | samsongoddy | Nah.. just python |
| 22:34 | And java script | |
| 22:35 | I created an activity called football | |
| 22:35 | Check SL activity page | |
| 22:35 | tony37 | Have you looked at converting it to a Sugar activity on the XO? |
| 22:36 | samsongoddy | Yes that what I did |
| 22:36 | tony37 | Do you have an XO-1.75 or XO-4? |
| 22:37 | samsongoddy | It has over 30,000 downloads |
| 22:37 | XO 4 | |
| 22:37 | tony37 | So to run your activity on the XO-4 you have to compile the c code to ARM object? |
| 22:37 | samsongoddy | I gave ibiam xo1.75 |
| 22:38 | My activity was based on gnome flash player | |
| 22:38 | So python was all I used | |
| 22:38 | I have test it in xo4 though | |
| 22:38 | Just xo1 | |
| 22:39 | tony37 | Python has a big advantage avoiding hardware dependency. |
| 22:39 | samsongoddy | Yeah |
| 22:40 | tony37 | I need to move on. When would you like to meet again. I will be tied up until Thursday (All Things Open meeting here in Raleigh). |
| 22:41 | samsongoddy | Let say Friday then |
| 22:41 | tony37 | OK same time |
| 22:42 | samsongoddy | It almost 12 am here |
| 22:42 | Yes same time | |
| 22:42 | tony37 | We can meet earlier if it is better for you. It is approaching 7pm here. |
| 22:42 | samsongoddy | What about 4pm my time |
| 22:43 | tony37 | Ok bye |
| 22:43 | samsongoddy | Okay see you later |
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| 22:44 | samsongoddy has quit IRC |
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