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#sugar-newbies, 2016-08-02

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17:07 iamutkarshtiwari icarito: Hi
17:32 icarito hi iamutkarshtiwari
17:32 sorry i'm late
17:32 iamutkarshtiwari, whats up
17:35 iamutkarshtiwari I am good.
17:35 How are you doing ?
17:35 icarito i'm fine
17:36 iamutkarshtiwari Shall I log the meeting ?
17:36 icarito as you prefer
17:36 yes
17:36 iamutkarshtiwari #startmeeting
17:36 meeting Meeting started Tue Aug  2 17:36:46 2016 UTC. The chair is iamutkarshtiwari. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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17:37 iamutkarshtiwari I have completed the offline support integration to GetBooks activity.
17:37 Did you receive my mail regarding the same?
17:37 icarito yes I saw it
17:38 iamutkarshtiwari How is it?
17:38 icarito I saw your screencast, I can't try it because it depends on a specific content bundle
17:39 iamutkarshtiwari Yes
17:39 It works with 'Gutenberg' and 'Rachel' collections
17:39 icarito getbooks already supported OPDS standard, yes?
17:40 iamutkarshtiwari Yes. But that's for accessing books on internet.
17:40 If the user doesn't have internet facility but has access to the school server.
17:40 icarito can't local servers provide OPDS?
17:40 iamutkarshtiwari He can use GetBooks to get books from local servers.
17:41 OPDS is used to fetch data from online websites AFAIK
17:41 icarito OPDS is just a standard
17:41 that indexes books
17:41 so that clients can query and download books
17:41 which is what was required
17:41 iamutkarshtiwari It is unable to parse the index.html file in the book collections I downloaded.
17:43 So I had to device a technique myself to enable it fetch books from localservers.
17:43 icarito i doubt the index.html file is in opds format
17:43 iamutkarshtiwari No, it's not.
17:44 That's why I didn't use OPDS for the same.
17:44 I devised my own technique.
17:44 icarito wouldn't it have been better to index the files in opds compatible format?
17:45 iamutkarshtiwari Give me a minute.
17:45 Let me show you something.
17:48 https://gist.github.com/iamutk[…]ceeea288047ad5e02
17:49 icarito ok seeing
17:50 iamutkarshtiwari What format is it in?
17:50 I am not sure about it.
17:50 icarito what am I seeing in this gist
17:50 ?
17:52 iamutkarshtiwari This is the index.html file of the offlince Gutenberg collection I downloaded for test purpose.
17:52 offline*
17:54 icarito okay I understand so instead of a general solution you made a collection specific solution
17:54 iamutkarshtiwari Yes.
17:54 For both 'Rachel' and 'Gutenberg'.
17:54 icarito most sugar users are spanish users does gutemberg export all collections in this format?
17:55 iamutkarshtiwari Gutenberg collection contains books in .htm format which can be read in 'Browse' activity
17:55 whereas 'Rachel' collection contains books in .pdf format
17:55 which can be read in 'Read' activity.
17:55 icarito i'm asking about the collection index
17:56 iamutkarshtiwari I havent' tried with all of it's collections.
17:56 I downloaded the one the link of which Mr. Anderson gave.
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17:57 iamutkarshtiwari hi
17:57 icarito hi
17:57 when this was discussed in the beginning I asked you to look at OPDS standard
17:57 iamutkarshtiwari Sorry. I got disconnected.
17:57 icarito the way this should be done is using a OPDS bookserver to serve the collection
17:58 I think
17:58 unless there was anything wrong with that
17:58 iamutkarshtiwari You are right.
17:58 But the collection with which I had been testing doesn't seem to work with OPDS technique.
18:00 With my technique, The deployers need to add new books to the index.html file in that specific format
18:00 icarito here's gutemberg in opds format http://m.gutenberg.org/ebooks/?format=opds
18:00 I wonder if it can be downloaded
18:01 iamutkarshtiwari, deployers are either unskilled of busy enough
18:01 things need to be as simple as possible
18:02 iamutkarshtiwari What alternative would you suggest?
18:05 icarito have you installed the schoolserver?
18:05 does it include a opds server?
18:05 iamutkarshtiwari No. I have been testing on localhost.
18:06 icarito localhost plain webserver?
18:06 iamutkarshtiwari python -m SimpleHTTPServer
18:07 icarito I don't think it's okay for GetBooks to have collection specific code
18:07 unless you can justify and generalize your implementation
18:07 i.e. simple http server is easier to host
18:08 in that case I think you need to make an indexer to build the index.html for a directory recursively or something
18:08 otherwise what I actually would prefer is a good server solution
18:08 the name "Pathagar" bookserver comes to memory but it looks a bit complex (django etc)
18:09 I just found this too: https://github.com/yinlei212/cockybook
18:09 it looks simpler
18:09 although in japanese ;-)
18:10 my preferred option is that you create a general solution preferrably in OPDS format such as a simple to deploy opds server
18:10 if you think that makes sense
18:10 also ping gonzalo who is getbooks maintainer
18:10 ask him
18:10 !
18:11 iamutkarshtiwari For that the books collection needs to be opds compatible ?
18:11 icarito explain to him "I was asked to do this and this to getbooks, and I'm doing this..."
18:11 iamutkarshtiwari From where can I download such collection?
18:11 Sure
18:11 icarito no, opds is an index format
18:12 also there's no reason it needs to be in python (although we love python) https://github.com/search?q=op[…]de=&start_value=1
18:13 opds is how the library collection is presented to the client in http form
18:13 there are no opds collections, but you can serve any collection with opds standard protocol/format
18:14 in my opinion the only modification needed to getbooks activity is the ability to enter the URL for the opds server
18:15 get Gonzalo's opinion on Getbooks "offline
18:15 to see what has a possibility of getting merged
18:16 iamutkarshtiwari I have just sent him a mail regarding the same.
18:16 icarito and do install an opds server study how it works I am curious myself
18:16 iamutkarshtiwari Thank you for the above information. It will help me lot.
18:16 icarito I once tried calibre's embedded opds server with an android opds compatible app, it was a bad experience
18:17 i don't know if the opds server was slow or indexing is slow or what, as I said if you think it's best to replace opds altogether but I'm not aware of other book collection query formats/standards protocols
18:18 in my mind the ideal solution is a tiny friendly python opds bookserver
18:18 this can be deployed on any schoolserver
18:19 ideally getbooks would auto-find such bookservices in the network
18:19 avahi style, but that is a stretch goal
18:19 I don't think plain opds supports this
18:20 (but opds doesn't need to, service discovery is something altogether different)
18:21 you know what would be wonderful? if such a opds serve functionality would live in getbooks and you could share your own book collection in the neigbourhood...
18:21 i guess it would be easy if the server side opds was solved
18:22 the tricky part would be the sugar collaboration bits
18:22 iamutkarshtiwari, can I help you with anything else? :-)
18:22 iamutkarshtiwari #InfoSlicer
18:23 icarito #topic infoslicer
18:23 iamutkarshtiwari I also have to add offline support to Infoslicer.
18:23 icarito meeting, #help
18:23 meeting icarito: Error: "#help" is not a valid command.
18:23 icarito meeting, #commands
18:23 meeting icarito: Error: "#commands" is not a valid command.
18:23 iamutkarshtiwari But I do not know where to start
18:23 icarito :-)
18:23 let's see
18:24 iamutkarshtiwari I haven't been in contact with Mr. Anderson regarding the same.
18:24 icarito I just downlodaed it
18:24 iamutkarshtiwari Hoping to see him soon.
18:24 icarito installing beautifulsoup
18:24 iamutkarshtiwari InfoSlicer helps you to slice wiki content to make your own article.
18:25 icarito yes I have tried it but I don't know what offline means
18:25 in this context
18:25 iamutkarshtiwari Same here.
18:26 According to me, it should be able to slice content from
18:26 offlice wiki available on school servers.
18:26 offline*
18:26 icarito what is supposed to be in the bottom box under the article?
18:27 iamutkarshtiwari you customized article.
18:27 your*
18:28 You can drag and drop images and text from a wiki into your plain template.
18:29 icarito i see
18:29 well I guess the question is how are articles served offline
18:29 iamutkarshtiwari Yes.
18:29 icarito there are two options
18:29 as far as I understand
18:30 iamutkarshtiwari From where can I download such test content?
18:30 Yes?
18:30 icarito either the schoolseerver has a local mediawiki instance running
18:30 or a format such as kiwix is used but I'm not sure how that works in a client-server setting
18:31 iamutkarshtiwari I agree with 1st option.
18:32 Let's assume
18:32 icarito i really dislike the idea of local mediawikis everywhere because I fear people will edit and improve content and these improvements would never reach the real wikipedia
18:32 iamutkarshtiwari we successfully run a local mediawiki instance on another PC.
18:32 What changes do we need to make to the InfoSlicer activity?
18:33 Oh..
18:33 icarito I suggest you install http://schoolserver.org/ in a vm or something
18:33 and then look at how they are sharing wikipedia content
18:33 see if there's a way to reach those articles
18:33 if they host a copy of wikipedia (probably they do)
18:34 iamutkarshtiwari Sure. I will downloaed it and try to set it up.
18:34 icarito in that page I read "Dec 2013 Agenda
18:34 XSCE 5.0 release approaching, alongside Internet-in-a-Box with fulltext search of Wikipedia!"
18:34 iamutkarshtiwari Will ping you in case if I run into any errors.
18:35 icarito okay but i am not involved in that schoolserver project, I know tony uses it
18:35 anyhow a solution would be generic
18:35 iamutkarshtiwari I haven't been in touch with him for a while. Eagerly waiting for him
18:35 Any rough idea what kind of changes will we need to make to InfoSlicer?
18:36 icarito no idea
18:36 I would suppose the ability to specify or discover a local wikipedia instance in some format/protocol possibly mediawiki
18:37 and documenting how a deployer may serve up articles
18:37 from any wikipedia
18:37 note there already exists Wikipedia Activity
18:37 iamutkarshtiwari Oh.
18:37 icarito http://activities.sugarlabs.or[…]/sugar/addon/4411
18:38 iamutkarshtiwari But that much be accessing content from Internet.
18:38 icarito perhaps infoslicer could just get the articles from that ;-)
18:38 nope
18:38 iamutkarshtiwari Our goal here is to provice offline accessibility.
18:38 provide*
18:38 icarito wikipedia activity holds a local slice
18:38 wikipedia activity _is_ offline
18:38 one simple solution is to have infoslicer detect if wikipedia activity is installed and try to grab articles from there
18:39 but possibly a general local client-server solution would be nice too
18:39 iamutkarshtiwari I would be complex - two level.
18:39 First use Wiki to save content offline
18:39 icarito well it would depend on wikipedia acitivty
18:39 no you don't understand
18:39 iamutkarshtiwari and then open InfoSlicer to slice.
18:39 icarito wikipedia activity is NOT online
18:39 it does not fetch anything
18:40 it's just one big chunk of articles compressed into this one activity
18:40 it has a locally running webserver to serve a search function
18:40 and a webview basically to display the articles, but wikipedia activity _is_ offline
18:40 always
18:41 iamutkarshtiwari Oh.
18:41 icarito so actually it would make sense for infoslicer to be able to use those articles that you already have in your drive
18:41 iamutkarshtiwari The size of the WikiPedia activity must be very large as it includes wiki contents.
18:44 I'll give it a try.
18:47 icarito: There?
18:47 icarito yes
18:47 it's like 100m
18:47 i think
18:47 the english version
18:50 okay
18:50 so do ping me if you have further issues and good luck
18:51 my irc bot is always here and notifies me of msgs  when I'm online
18:51 just ping me and I'll get back to you
18:51 here's another option for hosting wikipedia content http://www.kiwix.org/wiki/Main_Page
18:52 i'm not sure possibly the schoolserver uses it
19:04 iamutkarshtiwari Thanks ;)
19:04 See you soon.
19:04 Bye.
19:04 #endmeeting
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