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| 17:07 | iamutkarshtiwari | icarito: Hi |
| 17:32 | icarito | hi iamutkarshtiwari |
| 17:32 | sorry i'm late | |
| 17:32 | iamutkarshtiwari, whats up | |
| 17:35 | iamutkarshtiwari | I am good. |
| 17:35 | How are you doing ? | |
| 17:35 | icarito | i'm fine |
| 17:36 | iamutkarshtiwari | Shall I log the meeting ? |
| 17:36 | icarito | as you prefer |
| 17:36 | yes | |
| 17:36 | iamutkarshtiwari | #startmeeting |
| 17:36 | meeting | Meeting started Tue Aug 2 17:36:46 2016 UTC. The chair is iamutkarshtiwari. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 17:36 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 17:37 | iamutkarshtiwari | I have completed the offline support integration to GetBooks activity. |
| 17:37 | Did you receive my mail regarding the same? | |
| 17:37 | icarito | yes I saw it |
| 17:38 | iamutkarshtiwari | How is it? |
| 17:38 | icarito | I saw your screencast, I can't try it because it depends on a specific content bundle |
| 17:39 | iamutkarshtiwari | Yes |
| 17:39 | It works with 'Gutenberg' and 'Rachel' collections | |
| 17:39 | icarito | getbooks already supported OPDS standard, yes? |
| 17:40 | iamutkarshtiwari | Yes. But that's for accessing books on internet. |
| 17:40 | If the user doesn't have internet facility but has access to the school server. | |
| 17:40 | icarito | can't local servers provide OPDS? |
| 17:40 | iamutkarshtiwari | He can use GetBooks to get books from local servers. |
| 17:41 | OPDS is used to fetch data from online websites AFAIK | |
| 17:41 | icarito | OPDS is just a standard |
| 17:41 | that indexes books | |
| 17:41 | so that clients can query and download books | |
| 17:41 | which is what was required | |
| 17:41 | iamutkarshtiwari | It is unable to parse the index.html file in the book collections I downloaded. |
| 17:43 | So I had to device a technique myself to enable it fetch books from localservers. | |
| 17:43 | icarito | i doubt the index.html file is in opds format |
| 17:43 | iamutkarshtiwari | No, it's not. |
| 17:44 | That's why I didn't use OPDS for the same. | |
| 17:44 | I devised my own technique. | |
| 17:44 | icarito | wouldn't it have been better to index the files in opds compatible format? |
| 17:45 | iamutkarshtiwari | Give me a minute. |
| 17:45 | Let me show you something. | |
| 17:48 | https://gist.github.com/iamutk[…]ceeea288047ad5e02 | |
| 17:49 | icarito | ok seeing |
| 17:50 | iamutkarshtiwari | What format is it in? |
| 17:50 | I am not sure about it. | |
| 17:50 | icarito | what am I seeing in this gist |
| 17:50 | ? | |
| 17:52 | iamutkarshtiwari | This is the index.html file of the offlince Gutenberg collection I downloaded for test purpose. |
| 17:52 | offline* | |
| 17:54 | icarito | okay I understand so instead of a general solution you made a collection specific solution |
| 17:54 | iamutkarshtiwari | Yes. |
| 17:54 | For both 'Rachel' and 'Gutenberg'. | |
| 17:54 | icarito | most sugar users are spanish users does gutemberg export all collections in this format? |
| 17:55 | iamutkarshtiwari | Gutenberg collection contains books in .htm format which can be read in 'Browse' activity |
| 17:55 | whereas 'Rachel' collection contains books in .pdf format | |
| 17:55 | which can be read in 'Read' activity. | |
| 17:55 | icarito | i'm asking about the collection index |
| 17:56 | iamutkarshtiwari | I havent' tried with all of it's collections. |
| 17:56 | I downloaded the one the link of which Mr. Anderson gave. | |
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| 17:57 | iamutkarshtiwari | hi |
| 17:57 | icarito | hi |
| 17:57 | when this was discussed in the beginning I asked you to look at OPDS standard | |
| 17:57 | iamutkarshtiwari | Sorry. I got disconnected. |
| 17:57 | icarito | the way this should be done is using a OPDS bookserver to serve the collection |
| 17:58 | I think | |
| 17:58 | unless there was anything wrong with that | |
| 17:58 | iamutkarshtiwari | You are right. |
| 17:58 | But the collection with which I had been testing doesn't seem to work with OPDS technique. | |
| 18:00 | With my technique, The deployers need to add new books to the index.html file in that specific format | |
| 18:00 | icarito | here's gutemberg in opds format http://m.gutenberg.org/ebooks/?format=opds |
| 18:00 | I wonder if it can be downloaded | |
| 18:01 | iamutkarshtiwari, deployers are either unskilled of busy enough | |
| 18:01 | things need to be as simple as possible | |
| 18:02 | iamutkarshtiwari | What alternative would you suggest? |
| 18:05 | icarito | have you installed the schoolserver? |
| 18:05 | does it include a opds server? | |
| 18:05 | iamutkarshtiwari | No. I have been testing on localhost. |
| 18:06 | icarito | localhost plain webserver? |
| 18:06 | iamutkarshtiwari | python -m SimpleHTTPServer |
| 18:07 | icarito | I don't think it's okay for GetBooks to have collection specific code |
| 18:07 | unless you can justify and generalize your implementation | |
| 18:07 | i.e. simple http server is easier to host | |
| 18:08 | in that case I think you need to make an indexer to build the index.html for a directory recursively or something | |
| 18:08 | otherwise what I actually would prefer is a good server solution | |
| 18:08 | the name "Pathagar" bookserver comes to memory but it looks a bit complex (django etc) | |
| 18:09 | I just found this too: https://github.com/yinlei212/cockybook | |
| 18:09 | it looks simpler | |
| 18:09 | although in japanese ;-) | |
| 18:10 | my preferred option is that you create a general solution preferrably in OPDS format such as a simple to deploy opds server | |
| 18:10 | if you think that makes sense | |
| 18:10 | also ping gonzalo who is getbooks maintainer | |
| 18:10 | ask him | |
| 18:10 | ! | |
| 18:11 | iamutkarshtiwari | For that the books collection needs to be opds compatible ? |
| 18:11 | icarito | explain to him "I was asked to do this and this to getbooks, and I'm doing this..." |
| 18:11 | iamutkarshtiwari | From where can I download such collection? |
| 18:11 | Sure | |
| 18:11 | icarito | no, opds is an index format |
| 18:12 | also there's no reason it needs to be in python (although we love python) https://github.com/search?q=op[…]de=&start_value=1 | |
| 18:13 | opds is how the library collection is presented to the client in http form | |
| 18:13 | there are no opds collections, but you can serve any collection with opds standard protocol/format | |
| 18:14 | in my opinion the only modification needed to getbooks activity is the ability to enter the URL for the opds server | |
| 18:15 | get Gonzalo's opinion on Getbooks "offline | |
| 18:15 | to see what has a possibility of getting merged | |
| 18:16 | iamutkarshtiwari | I have just sent him a mail regarding the same. |
| 18:16 | icarito | and do install an opds server study how it works I am curious myself |
| 18:16 | iamutkarshtiwari | Thank you for the above information. It will help me lot. |
| 18:16 | icarito | I once tried calibre's embedded opds server with an android opds compatible app, it was a bad experience |
| 18:17 | i don't know if the opds server was slow or indexing is slow or what, as I said if you think it's best to replace opds altogether but I'm not aware of other book collection query formats/standards protocols | |
| 18:18 | in my mind the ideal solution is a tiny friendly python opds bookserver | |
| 18:18 | this can be deployed on any schoolserver | |
| 18:19 | ideally getbooks would auto-find such bookservices in the network | |
| 18:19 | avahi style, but that is a stretch goal | |
| 18:19 | I don't think plain opds supports this | |
| 18:20 | (but opds doesn't need to, service discovery is something altogether different) | |
| 18:21 | you know what would be wonderful? if such a opds serve functionality would live in getbooks and you could share your own book collection in the neigbourhood... | |
| 18:21 | i guess it would be easy if the server side opds was solved | |
| 18:22 | the tricky part would be the sugar collaboration bits | |
| 18:22 | iamutkarshtiwari, can I help you with anything else? :-) | |
| 18:22 | iamutkarshtiwari | #InfoSlicer |
| 18:23 | icarito | #topic infoslicer |
| 18:23 | iamutkarshtiwari | I also have to add offline support to Infoslicer. |
| 18:23 | icarito | meeting, #help |
| 18:23 | meeting | icarito: Error: "#help" is not a valid command. |
| 18:23 | icarito | meeting, #commands |
| 18:23 | meeting | icarito: Error: "#commands" is not a valid command. |
| 18:23 | iamutkarshtiwari | But I do not know where to start |
| 18:23 | icarito | :-) |
| 18:23 | let's see | |
| 18:24 | iamutkarshtiwari | I haven't been in contact with Mr. Anderson regarding the same. |
| 18:24 | icarito | I just downlodaed it |
| 18:24 | iamutkarshtiwari | Hoping to see him soon. |
| 18:24 | icarito | installing beautifulsoup |
| 18:24 | iamutkarshtiwari | InfoSlicer helps you to slice wiki content to make your own article. |
| 18:25 | icarito | yes I have tried it but I don't know what offline means |
| 18:25 | in this context | |
| 18:25 | iamutkarshtiwari | Same here. |
| 18:26 | According to me, it should be able to slice content from | |
| 18:26 | offlice wiki available on school servers. | |
| 18:26 | offline* | |
| 18:26 | icarito | what is supposed to be in the bottom box under the article? |
| 18:27 | iamutkarshtiwari | you customized article. |
| 18:27 | your* | |
| 18:28 | You can drag and drop images and text from a wiki into your plain template. | |
| 18:29 | icarito | i see |
| 18:29 | well I guess the question is how are articles served offline | |
| 18:29 | iamutkarshtiwari | Yes. |
| 18:29 | icarito | there are two options |
| 18:29 | as far as I understand | |
| 18:30 | iamutkarshtiwari | From where can I download such test content? |
| 18:30 | Yes? | |
| 18:30 | icarito | either the schoolseerver has a local mediawiki instance running |
| 18:30 | or a format such as kiwix is used but I'm not sure how that works in a client-server setting | |
| 18:31 | iamutkarshtiwari | I agree with 1st option. |
| 18:32 | Let's assume | |
| 18:32 | icarito | i really dislike the idea of local mediawikis everywhere because I fear people will edit and improve content and these improvements would never reach the real wikipedia |
| 18:32 | iamutkarshtiwari | we successfully run a local mediawiki instance on another PC. |
| 18:32 | What changes do we need to make to the InfoSlicer activity? | |
| 18:33 | Oh.. | |
| 18:33 | icarito | I suggest you install http://schoolserver.org/ in a vm or something |
| 18:33 | and then look at how they are sharing wikipedia content | |
| 18:33 | see if there's a way to reach those articles | |
| 18:33 | if they host a copy of wikipedia (probably they do) | |
| 18:34 | iamutkarshtiwari | Sure. I will downloaed it and try to set it up. |
| 18:34 | icarito | in that page I read "Dec 2013 Agenda |
| 18:34 | XSCE 5.0 release approaching, alongside Internet-in-a-Box with fulltext search of Wikipedia!" | |
| 18:34 | iamutkarshtiwari | Will ping you in case if I run into any errors. |
| 18:35 | icarito | okay but i am not involved in that schoolserver project, I know tony uses it |
| 18:35 | anyhow a solution would be generic | |
| 18:35 | iamutkarshtiwari | I haven't been in touch with him for a while. Eagerly waiting for him |
| 18:35 | Any rough idea what kind of changes will we need to make to InfoSlicer? | |
| 18:36 | icarito | no idea |
| 18:36 | I would suppose the ability to specify or discover a local wikipedia instance in some format/protocol possibly mediawiki | |
| 18:37 | and documenting how a deployer may serve up articles | |
| 18:37 | from any wikipedia | |
| 18:37 | note there already exists Wikipedia Activity | |
| 18:37 | iamutkarshtiwari | Oh. |
| 18:37 | icarito | http://activities.sugarlabs.or[…]/sugar/addon/4411 |
| 18:38 | iamutkarshtiwari | But that much be accessing content from Internet. |
| 18:38 | icarito | perhaps infoslicer could just get the articles from that ;-) |
| 18:38 | nope | |
| 18:38 | iamutkarshtiwari | Our goal here is to provice offline accessibility. |
| 18:38 | provide* | |
| 18:38 | icarito | wikipedia activity holds a local slice |
| 18:38 | wikipedia activity _is_ offline | |
| 18:38 | one simple solution is to have infoslicer detect if wikipedia activity is installed and try to grab articles from there | |
| 18:39 | but possibly a general local client-server solution would be nice too | |
| 18:39 | iamutkarshtiwari | I would be complex - two level. |
| 18:39 | First use Wiki to save content offline | |
| 18:39 | icarito | well it would depend on wikipedia acitivty |
| 18:39 | no you don't understand | |
| 18:39 | iamutkarshtiwari | and then open InfoSlicer to slice. |
| 18:39 | icarito | wikipedia activity is NOT online |
| 18:39 | it does not fetch anything | |
| 18:40 | it's just one big chunk of articles compressed into this one activity | |
| 18:40 | it has a locally running webserver to serve a search function | |
| 18:40 | and a webview basically to display the articles, but wikipedia activity _is_ offline | |
| 18:40 | always | |
| 18:41 | iamutkarshtiwari | Oh. |
| 18:41 | icarito | so actually it would make sense for infoslicer to be able to use those articles that you already have in your drive |
| 18:41 | iamutkarshtiwari | The size of the WikiPedia activity must be very large as it includes wiki contents. |
| 18:44 | I'll give it a try. | |
| 18:47 | icarito: There? | |
| 18:47 | icarito | yes |
| 18:47 | it's like 100m | |
| 18:47 | i think | |
| 18:47 | the english version | |
| 18:50 | okay | |
| 18:50 | so do ping me if you have further issues and good luck | |
| 18:51 | my irc bot is always here and notifies me of msgs when I'm online | |
| 18:51 | just ping me and I'll get back to you | |
| 18:51 | here's another option for hosting wikipedia content http://www.kiwix.org/wiki/Main_Page | |
| 18:52 | i'm not sure possibly the schoolserver uses it | |
| 19:04 | iamutkarshtiwari | Thanks ;) |
| 19:04 | See you soon. | |
| 19:04 | Bye. | |
| 19:04 | #endmeeting | |
| 19:04 | meeting | Meeting ended Tue Aug 2 19:04:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
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