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#sugar-newbies, 2016-06-22

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14:34 tony37 Hello
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14:34 iamutkarshtiwari #startmeeting
14:34 tony37 Hello
14:34 meeting Meeting started Wed Jun 22 14:34:40 2016 UTC. The chair is iamutkarshtiwari. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:34 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting
14:34 iamutkarshtiwari Hello
14:34 #JSFiddler
14:35 tony37 Did you get my email with the problems with version 15
14:35 iamutkarshtiwari Yes.
14:35 I'll first give you the updated of what I did the whole day
14:35 updates*
14:35 tony37 OK
14:35 iamutkarshtiwari I had been struggling with including all the dependencies required
14:35 for the html5print
14:36 But I found out that there were around 28 dependencies
14:36 tony37 A lot of baggage
14:36 iamutkarshtiwari which are installed during 'pip install html5print'
14:36 So I manually tried including all of them.
14:36 Which I did successfull but..
14:37 successfully*
14:37 But after including the modules
14:37 inside the browse module folder, it needed me to change the relative import paths'
14:37 tony37 Yep
14:38 iamutkarshtiwari so I thought
14:38 'this isn't programming' what I am doing.
14:38 I should automate the process.
14:38 tony37 I think of it as 'coping'
14:38 iamutkarshtiwari So I added a script to the 'Browse'
14:38 for installing all the dependencies at the start 'for only the first time'
14:39 And after that I sent you the updated XO. But as I recheck
14:39 'pip' doen't come preinstalled with Sugar. :(
14:39 rechecked*
14:39 doesn't*
14:40 So I am againt trying to work out everything using 'only beautiful soup 4'
14:40 This^ is what I had been doing all day.
14:40 tony37 Consider it an important educational experience
14:41 iamutkarshtiwari Yes. :)
14:41 But this 'dependency" issue is barring our progress.
14:42 I need to fix it.
14:42 If 'pip' would have been already inclluded in the Sugar, our work had been a lot easier with that automation script I wrote.
14:43 Mr. Anderson ?
14:44 icarito: Hello.
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14:48 tony37 hello, I had a glitch in the internet connection
14:49 iamutkarshtiwari Ah.. nevermind :)
14:49 Did you receive my last text ?
14:49 before quitting*
14:49 tony37 The last I got was your comment that 'pip' should have been included in Sugar.
14:50 iamutkarshtiwari Yes.. So that's the problem.
14:51 tony37 I disagree. Pip is for installing packages. Packages that are need by Sugar should be installed.
14:51 needed*
14:53 Hello - am I still online?
14:53 iamutkarshtiwari Should we ask user to install
14:53 the dependencies by himself?
14:54 Or would it be better if we automate it?
14:54 tony37 No - the idea is that Sugar is prepared for use by primary school children. They have no ordinary occasion to install software.
14:54 What you should learn from this experience is that some problems are not to be solved. In this case there is a reasonable alternative.
14:55 Use BeautifulSoup and prettify css yourself.
14:55 iamutkarshtiwari I doubt if BeautifulSoup is capable enough to prettify css.
14:55 tony37 That is why I suggested how you could do it yourself.
14:56 iamutkarshtiwari For prettifying css by ourself, we neeed to add more code to the 'webconsole'.
14:56 tony37 Yes, I suspect less than 20 lines
14:57 iamutkarshtiwari I checked for the prettifying css code in the online modules available like 'cssprint' of html5print, and it was much bigger that
14:57 than* 20 lines.
14:58 tony37 Look at the email I sent. If you can't implement that in 20 lines, you will need to review your understanding of Python. This is an application at which Python excels.
14:59 iamutkarshtiwari Oh... I need to look more into then. What method shall we use to prettify JS code?
14:59 it*
14:59 tony37 Use BeautifulSoup as you did before
15:00 iamutkarshtiwari I am not whether BS was successfully able to prettify JS.
15:00 I'll retest it.
15:01 tony37 OK, I don't remember any issues but there may have been. That would more difficult to pretty print - but worst case set a line limit and wrap at the nearest blank.
15:02 iamutkarshtiwari I'll give it a try.
15:02 Apart from #prettyPrinting what other issues we need to resolve?
15:03 Console togger.
15:03 toggler*
15:03 tony37 Did you try the html I sent you?
15:03 iamutkarshtiwari I went through the code you shared for toggling the console.
15:04 tony37 and displayed it on a browser?
15:04 iamutkarshtiwari Yes.
15:04 tony37 That is what I would like to see.
15:04 iamutkarshtiwari I had already tried that method for toggling
15:04 the console.
15:04 tony37 And ....
15:04 iamutkarshtiwari but the problem is
15:05 that the 'webconsole's  #iframe
15:05 display the webpage (generated from the user's code) dynamically.
15:05 so if we place a toggle button outside the #iframe.
15:06 It would only work until the page is refreshed (just before pressing 'run')
15:06 But after we press 'Run'
15:06 tony37 I think you don't understand how html and css work.
15:07 iamutkarshtiwari I am bit weak at html/css/js :(
15:07 tony37 The two divs (in or not in an iframe) are both present in the page. The display attributes just tells the browser to process a div or skip it
15:08 iamutkarshtiwari I get it.
15:08 I am not able to explain the problem properly I guess.
15:08 tony37 So what you need to do is to look at the generated strings (I do this sort of stuff constantly). Her generated strings consist of constant
15:09 parts and interspersed variables.
15:09 What you will need to do is modify these strings to get what the static text I sent you does.
15:10 Let her code generate the content of the two divs - your toggle only selects which one is visible.
15:10 iamutkarshtiwari Ok. I'll try to fix it that way.
15:11 tony37 In the end you'll find it much easier than bundling a package!
15:11 iamutkarshtiwari Bundling a package?
15:11 tony37 Such as html5print
15:11 iamutkarshtiwari Won't we be generating PRs?
15:11 oh... :D
15:12 I think I am comfortabe more with Python issues than html/css/jss
15:12 that's why I applied for a Python project. :)
15:12 tony37 Let me know how you are getting on - I am still looking for a new version to test. I really think we are almost home.
15:13 When we're finished, you can use fiddler to learn more about html and css :)
15:13 iamutkarshtiwari I'll try my best to get working.
15:13 tony37 Now about the projects upcoming.
15:14 iamutkarshtiwari I am comfortable
15:14 with working on one feature at a time.
15:14 tony37 Can you tell me how the new 'standard' alert compares to the one you now have in the 'save' part of fiddler
15:15 iamutkarshtiwari Working on more than one feature distributes focus and speed.
15:15 First I will update you with the lastest screenshot gif.
15:16 tony37 Good
15:16 iamutkarshtiwari https://github.com/sugarlabs/s[…]comment-226788259
15:16 This is what it looks like now^
15:17 tony37 My internet connection has reasonable speed (100KB/s) but terrible response time (often > 1 second).
15:17 iamutkarshtiwari It's fine. I will wait :)
15:18 Did you see the gif ?
15:18 tony37 Ouch! As I feared it is a popup in the middle of the screen (and undoubtedly modal).
15:18 I really much prefer the current Sugar style of a rectangular alert just below the toolbar
15:19 iamutkarshtiwari Those regular alerts are meant to only popup inside Sugar Activities?
15:19 For screenshot, we need an alert which can apper(pop up) anywhere
15:20 throughout Sugar.
15:20 appear*
15:21 tony37 There is a different alert outside of Sugar activities?
15:22 iamutkarshtiwari I dont't think there is any?
15:22 And community is quite satisfied with this modal popup
15:22 tony37 I would have thought the alert would be a part of the sugar toolkit
15:22 iamutkarshtiwari for screenshot.
15:23 tony37 At least Sam is.
15:23 iamutkarshtiwari :D
15:23 Mr. Crossland also found it nice.
15:23 tony37 Actually there are alerts in the control panel (e.g. reminding a user to restart the laptop)
15:24 iamutkarshtiwari I have already generated a  PR for this popup, and it's under review (improvements)
15:25 tony37 You are providing the code or are you using code from Sugar?
15:26 iamutkarshtiwari I am providing most of it. I am just reusing Sam's popup module and the 'image capturing' code from previous screenshot code.
15:26 tony37 So you are talking about the screenshot feature PR modified to use the code supplied by Sugar (Sam).
15:26 iamutkarshtiwari Yes.
15:27 It looks better now.
15:27 after using Sam's popup module.
15:27 tony37 Can you change the text from yes and no to save and skip
15:28 iamutkarshtiwari Yes. Can we use 'Discard' instead of 'Skip' ?
15:28 tony37 or cancel I was really asking does the popup allow you to specify the text
15:29 iamutkarshtiwari yes. As you as the popup appears, you can direcly type in the text with moving your cursor to the text area.
15:29 As soon as the popup appears*
15:29 tony37 I am referring to the text in the alert not in the data entry
15:30 iamutkarshtiwari Do you mean the alert's heading- 'Save screenshot' ?
15:31 tony37 Yes but also the options which are now 'yes' and 'no'
15:31 iamutkarshtiwari We can change all of that.
15:32 It's inside the code.
15:32 tony37 Great! I have seen gtk popups which only allow fixed options.
15:32 iamutkarshtiwari All we need to do is change the string specified for the gkt 'buttons'
15:33 This one modified. And thanks to Sam's module for providing so much flexibility.
15:33 !
15:33 tony37 From a ui perspective - I would like to see an entry with a return be accepted as a 'save' or 'yes'.
15:33 iamutkarshtiwari is modified version*
15:34 Yes. I does have this feature as well.
15:34 As soon as the popup appears,
15:34 the focus gets grabbed to the text entry
15:34 tony37 What happens if the user clicks on yes without making an entry?
15:34 iamutkarshtiwari wherein the user types the 'name' of the screenshot.
15:35 and as soon as he presses 'return' the entrry gets saved.
15:35 .
15:35 .
15:35 tony37 That handling of the focus is important for a model.
15:35 iamutkarshtiwari If the user clicks 'yes'
15:35 with making any entry
15:35 tony37 I am asking what happens if he moves the cursor to yes and clicks with an empty entry
15:36 modal*
15:36 iamutkarshtiwari the default name gets saved like 'Screenshot of' + X
15:36 Oh. With an empty entry.. we didn't give a thought to it.
15:36 It's a nice catch!
15:36 tony37 I would prefer that either nothing happens or there is a communication that says a name is needed to save.
15:37 iamutkarshtiwari I agree. But by default the text entry is set with the text 'Screeshot of X'. Same to what used to happen by default previously.
15:39 tony37 In this case the user can't set the title before the alert. The alert can by default be anything, but the point is to require a user-supplied title.
15:39 iamutkarshtiwari I'll then fix it  to - 'nothing should happen when user clicks 'yes' without text entry'
15:40 tony37 maybe the entry area could turn to a red background?
15:40 iamutkarshtiwari Oh... that would look better!
15:40 tony37 I believe these gtk entries can have a greyed background message.
15:41 iamutkarshtiwari yes. They provide markup facility.
15:41 So it's possible.
15:41 tony37 Which could be 'untitled' or 'screenshot'
15:41 and could change to red with 'please give a title to your screenshot'
15:42 Generally, Sugar assumes learners are more or less responding randomly to see what happens. I think a user would get this message quickly but it will be needed.
15:42 iamutkarshtiwari If the user clicks 'yes' on red background with 'please specify a text', what should happen?
15:43 tony37 It should be ignored.
15:43 It is modal so the learner will have to type something or click on no
15:44 So probably the simplest solution is to ignore a user with no input and then let them decide to enter a text or click on no
15:44 iamutkarshtiwari No red background?
15:45 tony37 Hell yes, that will be fun!
15:45 iamutkarshtiwari :/
15:46 tony37 Moving to 'save as'
15:46 Are you comfortable that you understand where in activity.py you need to create a new object and when it is to be a clone of the original?
15:47 iamutkarshtiwari Yes.
15:47 I am currently working with 'sugar-tookit'
15:47 after I complete that, porting 'sugar-tookit3' activity.py
15:47 shouldn't be difficult.
15:48 tony37 Agreed.
15:48 iamutkarshtiwari Since most of the current sugar activities use 'activity.py' from 'sugar-tookit' (the deprecated one)
15:48 tony37 Are you comfortable that you see where in activity.py you need to generate the alert?
15:48 iamutkarshtiwari Yes. it's inside 'can_close()'
15:49 It was written so the developers could overwrite it.
15:49 as per usage.
15:49 tony37 Both versions need the feature
15:49 iamutkarshtiwari Thanks to the former Sugar developers.
15:49 Yes.
15:49 override*
15:49 tony37 You may need to do it before write_file gets executed since that code writes to the Journal.
15:50 iamutkarshtiwari Yes. I have almost figured out the complete working of the activity.py
15:51 But
15:51 tony37 Very valuable in working with Sugar activities!
15:51 iamutkarshtiwari we'll have to allow activities to store the data files.
15:51 But after the user selects 'discard' we can delete them.
15:52 *this is what Mr.Bender suggested*
15:52 tony37 Ok - but remember this refers to the data file, not the metadata. That always gets saved.
15:53 iamutkarshtiwari Yes. I got it as you told me previously. Data files need to deleted but the metadata (including the entries in the Journal) needs to be saved
15:53 for statistical purpose.
15:54 tony37 It is game time. An interesting night since this will decide the final qualifiers for the knockout round.
15:54 Bye
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15:54 iamutkarshtiwari Bye.
15:54 #endmeeting
15:54 meeting Meeting ended Wed Jun 22 15:54:54 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4)
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