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14:56	tony37	Hi,
14:58		Anybody home?
15:01		Hello
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15:04	iamutkarshtiwari	hi
15:07		hello
15:08		#startmeeting
15:08	meeting	Meeting started Sat May 28 15:08:30 2016 UTC. The chair is iamutkarshtiwari. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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15:11	tony37	Hello
15:12	iamutkarshtiwari	I am sorry Mr. Anderson. I keep working while my browser is open in background.
15:12	tony37	OK
15:12	iamutkarshtiwari	My freenode also doesn't make any notification sound on a ping.
15:12	tony37	No problem. How are you coming with fiddler?
15:13	iamutkarshtiwari	I am sure that I can fix all the bugs you mentioned.
15:13		2 are already fixed. 2 still left.
15:13		Beautiful soup does prettyfy css I guess..
15:13	tony37	We are certainly getting close.
15:14	iamutkarshtiwari	doesn't*
15:14	tony37	It should - worth a try
15:14	iamutkarshtiwari	I had already tweaked fiddler to prettyfy the code (html + css + js).
15:15		But it seem that it doesn't work with css.
15:15		Could you please suggest an alternative for that?
15:15	tony37	There is a newer version bs4 which is not installed on 0.106 but could be installed in parallel with BeautifulSoup.
15:16	iamutkarshtiwari	Does it support prettyfying css?
15:16	tony37	I don't know - it has updated the feature adding a formatter option.
15:17		This could also be a good Google question
15:17	iamutkarshtiwari	I'll give it a try then. So we need to install bs4 manually in Sugar ?
15:17		As you said that it's not currently installed.
15:17	tony37	It generally goes in /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages
15:18	iamutkarshtiwari	What about XO1? The one which you are using?
15:19	tony37	Actually, right now I am using an XO-1.75. Normally my preferred version is XO-1.5 but the only one I have needs to be unlocked.
15:19		This works with all XOs - it is pure Python.
15:20	iamutkarshtiwari	Mr. Anderson, we also need to talk about #nepal in detail.
15:20	tony37	OK, but by email. You may want to send an email to Rabi directly on any questions about the arrangements there.
15:21	iamutkarshtiwari	I have already sent him one.
15:21	tony37	Great! He usually responds from the office and often not immediately - be patient.
15:21	iamutkarshtiwari	I would be in constant need of internet there(for Gsoc work), will they be able to provide me for that?
15:22	tony37	OLE Nepal has a team of 20+ in a big three story house with lots of internet. No problem
15:23	iamutkarshtiwari	haha :D oh..fine then.. All what's needed to be decided are the dates (9th june - 18th june) which is my only option.
15:24	tony37	Work that out with Rabi. You aren´t leaving much time between the end of exams and getting on an airplane.
15:24	iamutkarshtiwari	If they comfortable with the above mentioned duration, I shall go ahead with booking flight tickets, else the tickets get costlier everyday at the time nears. :D
15:24	tony37	Did you mention this to Rabi in your email?
15:24	iamutkarshtiwari	Yes.
15:25	tony37	OK - he should respond probably on Monday - in my experience
15:25	iamutkarshtiwari	Apologies for that. I don't want to delay my work on gsoc, so I am not even going back my hometown (directly to nepal and then back to college).
15:26		That's why I decided to leave as soon as the exams end.
15:26		:)
15:26	tony37	I appreciate that but I think the trip to Nepal will advance your work and is a good investment of time
15:26	iamutkarshtiwari	Yes!
15:26	tony37	Have you been able to sort out the ´zip' issue?
15:26	iamutkarshtiwari	I will learn a lot there from such experienced people. I was hoping to see you there.
15:27		Yes...was currently working on it when you missed me on irc.
15:27	tony37	Sadly, I am unlikely to get to Nepal until this Fall or in Spring of next year.
15:27	iamutkarshtiwari	I think I have figured out a solution.
15:27		;)
15:27	tony37	I always have trouble with zip getting it to execute in the right directory
15:27	iamutkarshtiwari	I'll let you know , how shutil works. to get the things in the right place.
15:28	tony37	You really should give subprocess a try (as an alternative test). It is an invaluable tool for me.
15:29	iamutkarshtiwari	I'll surely give it a try but I saw Ms. Sehgal make great use of shutil that's why I resorted to it.
15:30	tony37	It is a tool internal to Python whereas subprocess launches a command as a separate process. Some people are uncomfortable with that.
15:30		However, to be able to execute any bash script or shell command from within Python is immensely powerful.
15:31	iamutkarshtiwari	I agree.
15:31		That's the beauty of Python.
15:31	tony37	You have an alert for the save operation. Is that the same as you are using in screenshot?
15:32	iamutkarshtiwari	Nopes. For screenshot I have created a separate modal dialog popup.
15:33	tony37	I really like the one in 'save', could it be used for screenshot?
15:33	iamutkarshtiwari	https://cloud.githubuserconten[…]-8991a8ea215a.gif
15:33		It looks like this ^
15:34		It's difficult to show such alerts throughout the Sugar, since user might want to take a screenshot in anyplace throughout sugar.
15:34		and such alerts are only avaibale within activities.
15:35	tony37	OK. Still even for a screenshot, the prompt could appear at the top of the screen and be horizontal as it is in open.
15:36		I guess my concern is that Walter introduced an alert on quit which required the user to provide a description of the file which was
15:36		generally considered overkill and was later removed
15:37	iamutkarshtiwari	How would you like the 'save as' alert to look like? Like 'screenshot' modal dialog or like "save as' in fidder on close?
15:37	tony37	I think the 'save' in fiddle alert would be super in 'save as'. Essentially the user is doing the same thing, giving a project a name
15:38	iamutkarshtiwari	Same choice!
15:38	tony37	Exactly and the 'save' alert is not too wide (top to bottom) and so seems efficient
15:38	iamutkarshtiwari	But I personally feel that 'screenshot' should be a modal dialog as the community also supported it.
15:39		It's the same as what happens on Ubuntu when you capture a screenshot.
15:39	tony37	Remember that 'screenshot' was a case I mentioned in connection with the 'save as' where the user needs to be able to give a title directly and simply
15:40	iamutkarshtiwari	But it is not possible to show
15:40	tony37	I think Ubuntu is a different case because there the screenshot is not a simple keyboard shortcut and allows for including the whole screen or a part
15:40	iamutkarshtiwari	screenshot as an alert since 'alert()' is only available in acitivity.py for activities. not thoughout sugar.
15:41	tony37	By alert I only mean popping up the panel for the user to enter a name and answer yes or no
15:41	iamutkarshtiwari	In current Ubuntu, we can capture screenshot by pressing 'PrntSrc' key on keyboard.
15:41		Oh..I get it.
15:42	tony37	One screenshot enhancement which you should note and ignore - it would be nice to have an ability to crop and resize a screenshot probably
15:42		in Python using Imagemagick
15:43		In many screenshots you are only interested in the toolbar or want to omit the toolbar
15:43	iamutkarshtiwari	Is it possible to implement this in Sugar?
15:44	tony37	Sure - it's Python
15:44		Actually, imagemagick is already installed
15:44	iamutkarshtiwari	What user can do is, take the screenshot of the whole screen and then crop it via imageeditor.
15:44	tony37	Right now I use gimp
15:45		But I see this as having a rectangular selection and a crop button. Another option would be set width or height (keeping aspect ratio)
15:45	iamutkarshtiwari	So do you want me to modify my current code for 'screenshot' to allow user to crop the screenshot realtime?
15:46	tony37	No - I want you to note and ignore. We need to get the features on the plate finished. Then we can consider new features or enhancements.
15:47	iamutkarshtiwari	Then I'll first get down to finishing 'screenshot' soon after my exam ends and after that get started with 'Save As'
15:48	tony37	Right.
15:48	iamutkarshtiwari	I'll update you with the newer version of fiddler with 3-4hrs. Please test it
15:48	tony37	Meanwhile, I have gotten no one to respond to my question about download - the current existence of a download alert in Browse which is attempting to do the same thing
15:48	iamutkarshtiwari	and let me know.
15:49	tony37	Will do
15:49		Do you know what I am talking about
15:49	iamutkarshtiwari	The download Icon in Browse will let user view the download progress without needing to switch to journal.
15:50		community liked that feature a lot!
15:50		I think you should also give it a try.
15:50	tony37	No, when Browse downloads there is an alert which appears and counts down the download and then shows 'OK' when it is completed
15:51		I have the sense that this is not working in the 'development environment'.
15:51	iamutkarshtiwari	Are you talking about when we do download inside Browse activity (for eg...download activities from Sugar store using Browse) ?
15:51	tony37	yes
15:51	iamutkarshtiwari	It works.. AFAIK
15:51	tony37	I don't know what a Sugar store is but yes for ASLO
15:52		Ok, then why does your download not replace it?
15:52	iamutkarshtiwari	Sorry I call ASLO - Sugar store :P
15:52	tony37	I'm sensitive - I don't like to pay for software
15:52	iamutkarshtiwari	Could you please send me a screenshot of the download progress in browse you are talking about?
15:53	tony37	Yes, it will be tomorrow
15:53		Incidentally, there is a parallel download progress shown in the Journal view
15:53	iamutkarshtiwari	I am not able to figure.. I didn't see any such download progress alert in Sugar. there is just that when download terminated an alert popups up.
15:54	tony37	The one in the Journal seems a better implementation. The one in Browse sometimes appears and sometimes doesn't. Sometimes it shows the download progress, At other times only the OK message
15:55		The progress does not seem to be based on real monitoring but a estimate which is often wrong
15:56	iamutkarshtiwari	I'll first have to see the ambiguities as you describe which can be only understood by the screenshots at your end.
15:56	tony37	OK.
15:56	iamutkarshtiwari	Then only we can figure out a solution.
15:56		#Exam
15:56		My exams are starting from Monday. I'll be a lot busier with studies. I would be difficult for me to be available on irc everyday but I'll keep pinging you regularly on email.
15:57	tony37	Agreed
15:57		Let me know as you did today when you have time for a meeting. Otherwise, we can skip it.
15:57		Except Friday!
15:57	iamutkarshtiwari	I'll try to work on screenshot during my exams. but progress might be little slow.
15:58		Sure thing!
15:58	tony37	Don't jeopardize your exams. There is a summer ahead.
15:58	iamutkarshtiwari	One more doubt.
15:58	tony37	Go
15:58	iamutkarshtiwari	Have I made enough progress to be able to please Mr. Bender ? :(
15:58	tony37	Yes
15:58	iamutkarshtiwari	As compared to other GSocers.
15:59		oh... :)
15:59	tony37	Yes - keep in mind he is directly mentoring some of the participants and so has much more detailed knowledge of what they are doing
16:00	iamutkarshtiwari	Is the fiddler nearing an end?
16:00	tony37	I hope so - it is looking very useful as it is now. I tried most of the scenarios and they work fine. The show source page is very helpful.
16:01		Keep in mind that there will be a task to integrate it with the new Browse with WebKit2. That may not be trivial.
16:01	iamutkarshtiwari	I feel that you can test it with kids in your location.
16:02		When will we be doing that integration part?
16:02	tony37	Not easily. Essentially I work on an annual cycle. My goal is to have a 'distribution' ready for the start of the next school year in the Fall.
16:02		Wait 'til the dust settles on the new version - probably late in the GSOC cycle if at all
16:03	iamutkarshtiwari	Yeah..the webkit2 version seems a little buggy.
16:03	tony37	It is very important but our current version of WebKit does not support many critical layout features of CSS3
16:04		meant as not but
16:05	iamutkarshtiwari	Will finish the bug fix today and will update you in 4 hrs.
16:05	tony37	I need to go - will test your new browse tomorrow and try to get relevant screenshots
16:05		Bye
16:05	iamutkarshtiwari	Sure.
16:05		Bye
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16:06	iamutkarshtiwari	#endmeeting
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