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| 14:32 | iamutkarshtiwari | #startmeeting |
| 14:32 | meeting | Meeting started Mon May 23 14:32:07 2016 UTC. The chair is iamutkarshtiwari. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:32 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
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| 14:40 | tony37 | hello |
| 14:40 | iamutkarshtiwari | hi |
| 14:41 | It's raining here :D | |
| 14:41 | raining cats and dogs* | |
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| 14:42 | tony37 | Sorry, the system froze and I had to reconnect. It is raining 'cats and dogs' here. |
| 14:42 | iamutkarshtiwari | oh...It's fine. |
| 14:43 | tony37 | So, do we have a topic? |
| 14:43 | iamutkarshtiwari | #JSfiddler |
| 14:43 | tony37 | How is it? |
| 14:44 | iamutkarshtiwari | Going through the directory structure...will fix it by midnight. |
| 14:44 | tony37 | Good! |
| 14:45 | iamutkarshtiwari | Besides the directory structure but what are the other issues you were facing? |
| 14:46 | tony37 | I think the first version is nearly done. As always the last thing is the documentation |
| 14:46 | iamutkarshtiwari | wiki.sugarlabs.org/features/ is the place where we would be documenting it? |
| 14:48 | tony37 | Looks like a good place. |
| 14:49 | I am trying to figure out the structure. There are some recent additions and some very old ones. | |
| 14:52 | See https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Policy. | |
| 14:53 | iamutkarshtiwari | what is it about? |
| 14:54 | oh...got it.. | |
| 14:54 | tony37 | The policy and procedure for new Sugar features |
| 14:55 | What I am not sure about is how this fits with 'Pull Requests' | |
| 14:56 | Also, the policy excludes Sugar activities but what you are doing is changing the Browse activity. | |
| 14:56 | iamutkarshtiwari | after the JSFiddler is complete...we need to generate a PR to get it merge into Browse-main branch. |
| 14:57 | We need to convince the browse-maintainers for the same. | |
| 14:57 | tony37 | Agreed. That is most important. The documentation I am think of is for users - how to use the feature and its capabilities |
| 14:57 | Current practice seems to combine the two. | |
| 14:57 | iamutkarshtiwari | This can be very well achieved via gifs |
| 14:58 | tony37 | I like your technique. Do you make these from a screencast? |
| 15:02 | iamutkarshtiwari | https://www.maketecheasier.com[…]mated-gif-ubuntu/ |
| 15:02 | tony37 | Super, I'll give it a try. Perhaps you should take on the 'onboarding' project. |
| 15:04 | iamutkarshtiwari | What about "Sugar Offine" ? |
| 15:04 | We talked about it, right? | |
| 15:06 | Shall we drop it? | |
| 15:06 | tony37 | Yes - your choice. However, this technique seems like a possible way to accomplish that goal. |
| 15:07 | We are going to leave some features on the table in any case. | |
| 15:07 | iamutkarshtiwari | If you feel 'onboard' should be taken up, then let's do it. But you need to guide me how to get around to that. |
| 15:09 | tony37 | The idea is to do something like your animated gifs but to make it interactive. Sam's idea was to open the Home screen (on an XO in a 'onboarding' mode. The screen would show |
| 15:10 | the Browse icon highlighted. This would signal the user to click on it. It would launch and another button would show . So the system would have the user do similar sequences | |
| 15:10 | of actions as you do in these animations but live. A heavy software effort I suspect. | |
| 15:12 | iamutkarshtiwari | If the arrangement of icons in home view is different from the one shown in the gif of the home view demonstration, won't it look absurd? |
| 15:13 | tony37 | Exactly. So the script needs to live in the software and detect the location of the icon in some way. |
| 15:13 | So it also needs to detect a click and interpret what it means. | |
| 15:15 | iamutkarshtiwari | It seems that there is hardly any use for gifs, since we need to highlight the icons irrespective of their positioning on homeview. |
| 15:15 | tony37 | Right, but the gifs show what the script wants to accomplish - in a way the animated gifs are the 'storybook' for the live performance |
| 15:17 | iamutkarshtiwari | We would also need to prompt the user to perform any action via floating alerts? |
| 15:18 | tony37 | Yes, or similar mechanism. For example, suppose the system detects a click on Write instead on on Browse. It would show the user that that was incorrect. Possibly a 'wrong' beep. |
| 15:21 | iamutkarshtiwari | Under "Sugar onboarding" what components of sugar would be need this interactive guide? for eg. (home view, Journal, ?) |
| 15:22 | tony37 | Everything - In thinking about how I would approach the problem, I concluded that the main mechanism needed to be an interpreter. We could look at many examples of animated gif |
| 15:22 | iamutkarshtiwari | Interpreter? |
| 15:22 | tony37 | scenarios and pick out some common tasks: click at a location and then define some parameters (x, y, what to do when clicked) |
| 15:23 | Yes, a program that would read 'commands' and carry them out. Commands could be written in text or be a json. | |
| 15:24 | iamutkarshtiwari | So the user would be interacting with the guide through commands? |
| 15:25 | tony37 | Yes, by actually doing the indicated steps and then a wrong beep or move to the next command |
| 15:25 | By command, I don't mean to the user but to the 'interpreter' program | |
| 15:26 | iamutkarshtiwari | Could you link me to some guide on how to get started with making such type of interactive interpreters or guides? |
| 15:27 | Could you please* | |
| 15:27 | tony37 | Yes, but I'll send you more info by email. I need to go. We can continue this in tomorrow's meeting. |
| 15:28 | iamutkarshtiwari | Sure. Goodbye :) |
| 15:28 | tony37 | To close out the official topic. Let's plan on PRs for jsfiddler, snapshot, saveas, and download. |
| 15:28 | Let the PR be the full documentation for the moment | |
| 15:29 | iamutkarshtiwari | As you say. |
| 15:29 | Is this your github profile https://github.com/tony37 ? | |
| 15:31 | tony37 | It looks like I did this during Europython 2014. And nothing since. |
| 15:31 | iamutkarshtiwari | oh |
| 15:31 | tony37 | See you here tomorrow. Bye again. |
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| 15:32 | iamutkarshtiwari | #endmeeting |
| 15:32 | meeting | Meeting ended Mon May 23 15:32:00 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 15:32 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-23T14:32:07.html | |
| 15:32 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]16-05-23T14:32:07 | |
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