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#sugar-newbies, 2016-05-23

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11:07 meeting <meeting!~sugaroid@rev-18-85-44-69.sugarlabs.org> has joined #sugar-newbies
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14:32 iamutkarshtiwari #startmeeting
14:32 meeting Meeting started Mon May 23 14:32:07 2016 UTC. The chair is iamutkarshtiwari. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:32 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting
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14:40 tony37 hello
14:40 iamutkarshtiwari hi
14:41 It's raining here :D
14:41 raining cats and dogs*
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14:42 tony37 Sorry, the system froze and I had to reconnect. It is raining 'cats and dogs' here.
14:42 iamutkarshtiwari oh...It's fine.
14:43 tony37 So, do we have a topic?
14:43 iamutkarshtiwari #JSfiddler
14:43 tony37 How is it?
14:44 iamutkarshtiwari Going through the directory structure...will fix it by midnight.
14:44 tony37 Good!
14:45 iamutkarshtiwari Besides the directory structure but what are the other issues you were facing?
14:46 tony37 I think the first version is nearly done. As always the last thing is the documentation
14:46 iamutkarshtiwari wiki.sugarlabs.org/features/ is the place where we would be documenting it?
14:48 tony37 Looks like a good place.
14:49 I am trying to figure out the structure. There are some recent additions and some very old ones.
14:52 See https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Policy.
14:53 iamutkarshtiwari what is it about?
14:54 oh...got it..
14:54 tony37 The policy and procedure for new Sugar features
14:55 What I am not sure about is how this fits with 'Pull Requests'
14:56 Also, the policy excludes Sugar activities but what you are doing is changing the Browse activity.
14:56 iamutkarshtiwari after the JSFiddler is complete...we need to generate a PR to get it merge into Browse-main branch.
14:57 We need to convince the browse-maintainers for the same.
14:57 tony37 Agreed. That is most important. The documentation I am think of is for users - how to use the feature and its capabilities
14:57 Current practice seems to combine the two.
14:57 iamutkarshtiwari This can be very well achieved via gifs
14:58 tony37 I like your technique. Do you make these from a screencast?
15:02 iamutkarshtiwari https://www.maketecheasier.com[…]mated-gif-ubuntu/
15:02 tony37 Super, I'll give it a try. Perhaps you should take on the 'onboarding' project.
15:04 iamutkarshtiwari What about "Sugar Offine" ?
15:04 We talked about it, right?
15:06 Shall we drop it?
15:06 tony37 Yes - your choice. However, this technique seems like a possible way to accomplish that goal.
15:07 We are going to leave some features on the table in any case.
15:07 iamutkarshtiwari If you feel 'onboard' should be taken up, then let's do it. But you need to guide me how to get around to that.
15:09 tony37 The idea is to do something like your animated gifs but to make it interactive. Sam's idea was to open the Home screen (on an XO in a 'onboarding' mode. The screen would show
15:10 the Browse icon highlighted. This would signal the user to click on it. It would launch and another button would show . So the system would have the user do similar sequences
15:10 of actions as you do in these animations but live. A heavy software effort I suspect.
15:12 iamutkarshtiwari If the arrangement of icons in home view is different from the one shown in the gif of the home view demonstration, won't it look absurd?
15:13 tony37 Exactly. So the script needs to live in the software and detect the location of the icon in some way.
15:13 So it also needs to detect a click and interpret what it means.
15:15 iamutkarshtiwari It seems that there is hardly any use for gifs, since we need to highlight the icons irrespective of their positioning on homeview.
15:15 tony37 Right, but the gifs show what the script wants to accomplish - in a way the animated gifs are the 'storybook' for the live performance
15:17 iamutkarshtiwari We would also need to  prompt the user to perform any action via floating alerts?
15:18 tony37 Yes, or similar mechanism. For example, suppose the system detects a click on Write instead on on Browse. It would show the user that that was incorrect. Possibly a 'wrong' beep.
15:21 iamutkarshtiwari Under "Sugar onboarding" what components of sugar would be need this interactive guide? for eg. (home view, Journal, ?)
15:22 tony37 Everything - In thinking about how I would approach the problem, I concluded that the main mechanism needed to be an interpreter. We could look at many examples of animated gif
15:22 iamutkarshtiwari Interpreter?
15:22 tony37 scenarios and pick out some common tasks: click at a location and then define some parameters (x, y, what to do when clicked)
15:23 Yes, a program that would read 'commands' and carry them out. Commands could be written in text or be a json.
15:24 iamutkarshtiwari So the user would be interacting with the guide through commands?
15:25 tony37 Yes, by actually doing the indicated steps and then a wrong beep or move to the next command
15:25 By command, I don't mean to the user but to the 'interpreter' program
15:26 iamutkarshtiwari Could you link me to some guide on how to get started with making such type of interactive interpreters or guides?
15:27 Could you please*
15:27 tony37 Yes, but I'll send you more info by email. I need to go. We can continue this in tomorrow's meeting.
15:28 iamutkarshtiwari Sure. Goodbye :)
15:28 tony37 To close out the official topic. Let's plan on PRs for jsfiddler, snapshot, saveas, and download.
15:28 Let the PR be the full documentation for the moment
15:29 iamutkarshtiwari As you say.
15:29 Is this your github profile https://github.com/tony37 ?
15:31 tony37 It looks like I did this during Europython 2014. And nothing since.
15:31 iamutkarshtiwari oh
15:31 tony37 See you here tomorrow. Bye again.
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15:32 iamutkarshtiwari #endmeeting
15:32 meeting Meeting ended Mon May 23 15:32:00 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4)
15:32 Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-23T14:32:07.html
15:32 Log:     http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]16-05-23T14:32:07
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