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#sugar-newbies, 2012-06-22

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00:01 inkyfingers satellit_: ditto congrats ... with your TrimSlice!
00:01 Thanks I had planned to try a Fedora nightly next ...
00:02 [Solved]  gir1.2-polkit-1.0 stopped all authentication failure messages.
00:05 Raspberry pi is now visible on jabber.sugarlabs.org
00:07 but as yet no activities in dextrose or sdk :(
00:14 Satellit_: Thanks for the link, downloading now.
00:23 satellit_ inkyfingers : look at this wiki page also  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]k/Advanced_Topics  (covers arm) and Sugar Network Factory tutorial
00:27 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]#Install_packages   also https://wiki.debian.org/Sugar
00:30 I found that TrimSlice was wrong architecture for sugar-network i686 vs x86_64 per pbrobinson on #fedora-arm
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08:30 inkyfingers alsroot: hi, thanks for your help with sweets in trisquel - a while ago now.
08:30 I never got Sweets (or the Trisquel default) to work satisfactorily in Trisquel 5.0, and then when Trisquel 5.5 came along, I seemed to have a different set of problems!
08:30 Having had the chance, recently, to try Sugar and sweets on other hardware, I am pretty sure the problem has been my hardware/box all along! I suspect the video card {01:00.0 VGA compatible controllHaving had the chance, recently, to try Sugar and sweets on other hardware, I am pretty sure the problem has been my hardware/box all along! I suspect the video card {01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266]
08:30 } and/or Savage drivers.er: S3 Inc. VT8375 [ProSavage8 KM266/KL266]} and/or Savage drivers.
08:32 Meanwhile, much more interesting my Raspberry pi has arrived. I have wheezy running and nearly sweets again.
08:33 I am experimenting with an image from: http://www.raspbian.org/
08:34 alsroot inkyfingers: hi, just a side note, what was called "sweets" will be redesigned a bit (with preserving functionality) and rebranded ("Sweets" relates only to http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sweets_Distribution)
08:34 inkyfingers: whats was the problem w/ video card? I guess it should't relate to sugar but to somehing more low level
08:35 inkyfingers I was starting to collect evidence ...
08:37 I began to think I saw a characteristic build up of CPU ...
08:37 which I thought not merited and then Sugar would freeze - leaving no logs!
08:38 Some of this was abuse of SoaS by children ...
08:38 alsroot inkyfingers: only sugar freeze, not X or machine itself?
08:39 inkyfingers but I found same was happening when I had been careful with stick.
08:40 machine did not freeze - in general
08:40 alsroot inkyfingers: was on Raspberry?
08:40 *was it
08:41 inkyfingers But I am now describing in an over general way behaviour on my 10 year old MSI pc
08:41 alsroot ok, what distro it runs?
08:41 5.5?
08:42 inkyfingers Shall we leave the past in the past and talk about Rpi? :)
08:42 Or talk about "history"? :)
08:43 alsroot just was trying to figure out what is the problem
08:44 inkyfingers no, that's fine - I am very happy with either !!
08:45 On my old MSI machine I never filed a bug, as I never *felt* the issue was sugar.
08:46 alsroot ok
08:46 inkyfingers Rpi, then ...
08:47 Image from: http://www.raspbian.org/
08:47 is Debian Hard Float (armhf) for RPi
08:48 Is armhf likely to be a problem for <sweets>?
08:50 alsroot inkyfingers: I didn't try to run sugar on arm. OLPC people support it but I dunno do they use sugar directly from upstream brunches (what was used for sweets (not SD)) or not
08:50 inkyfingers #644010 is now marked fixed - so wheezy seems fine to me with python 2.7 - I believe eliminated.
08:51 alsroot btw, whats exact sugar version you are running on Raspberry?
08:52 inkyfingers Ok tried sdk/sugar and dextrose/
08:54 dextrose marginally more success.
08:55 * Booting Rpi ... will try to ssh for notes . I tested Sugar 0.88 and 0.94
08:56 alsroot how freeze exactly looks, does it happen right after start, can you move mouse cursor?
08:58 inkyfingers raspbian@pisces:~$ sweets  dextrose/sugar:emulator
08:58 Xephyr on :30.0
08:58 About my computer:
08:58 Build:Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable
08:58 Sugar:0.88.1
08:59 Freeze is from old MSI pc only. Rpi definately no freeze, no crashes in raspbian.
09:00 I will try to write only about sweets  dextrose/sugar:emulator ...
09:01 F1 to F6 all fine ok
09:01 alsroot thats fine..
09:02 though, in my mind SD, finally, is more useful way to start sugar itself. but unfortunately, it does not [yet]support arm
09:03 inkyfingers I could see no avatars in F1 in dextrose <seen fine in sdk, 0.94>
09:05 I have no Activities in F3
09:05 alsroot for activities, you can unzip some of them (that are pure python) to ~/Activities
09:06 inkyfingers That would be a good next step.
09:08 Two usb ports are used by mouse and kbd. I will prepare a USB stick next and try that out.
09:09 alsroot inkyfingers: btw, how long it took to build sugar via "sweets" command?
09:10 inkyfingers Over 8 or 9 mins of 100% CPU
09:11 sorry ssh into my rubbish notes is hard !! I keep not finding what I want!
09:13 raspbian@pisces:~$ sweets  sdk/sugar:emulator
09:13 -- Solve sdk/sugar-artwork for building
09:13 -- Solve sdk/sugar-base for building
09:13 -- Solve sdk/sugar-toolkit for building
09:13 -- Solve sdk/sugar-datastore for building
09:13 -- Solve sdk/telepathy-mission-control for building
09:13 -- Solve sdk/sugar for building
09:13 -- Build sdk/sugar-artwork (0.94.0)
09:13 -- Build sdk/sugar-base (0.94.0)
09:13 -- Build sdk/sugar-toolkit (0.94.0)
09:13 -- Build sdk/sugar-datastore (0.94.0)
09:13 -- Build sdk/telepathy-mission-control (5.7.1)
09:13 -- Build sdk/sugar (0.94.1)
09:14 this made me think Activities should be on-board?
09:15 alsroot inkyfingers: nope, this way you can't install activities
09:15 dunno will Browse work on or not (to open ASLO), but just download .xo files to unzip them to ~/Activities
09:16 inkyfingers So that trace was just my first successful launch
09:18 df -h (before that command)
09:18 rootfs          3.3G  2.1G  1.1G  68% /
09:18 now
09:19 rootfs          3.3G  2.2G  985M  69% /
09:19 Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
09:24 alsroot: will Browse work on or not ... can you put that idea in another way?
09:25 alsroot inkyfingers: I meant that Browse won't work...
09:26 try to run sugar using `sweets -S sdk/sugar` command
09:26 err, `sweets -S sdk/sugar:emulator`
09:27 inkyfingers Tried, -S had a bad effect - no launch
09:27 alsroot whats exact error output?
09:28 inkyfingers try by ssh
09:30 I broke it - I think I put the command into a terminal not X
09:31 I am getting an Xorg server warning, rebooting Rpi, moment, sorry.
09:34 raspbian@pisces:~$ cat alsroot1
09:34 raspbian@pisces:~$ sweets -S  sdk/sugar:emulator
09:34 -- Cannot find requireed implementations for http://sweets.sugarlabs.org/sdk/xulrunner, http://sweets.sugarlabs.org/base/abiword, http://sweets.sugarlabs.org/sdk/evince-python
09:34 -- Use status command with -d argument to show problem dependencies
09:34 -- Use -D argument for debug info, -DD for full debuging output and tracebacks
09:34 raspbian@pisces:~$
09:35 raspbian@pisces:~$
09:38 I am not sure if I tried: sweets -R  sdk/sugar:emulator  ...
09:38 after a reboot, trying now.
09:38 alsroot inkyfingers: ok, you can't install these packages on arm, so, you need to avoid "-S" in "sweets" command and have to unzip .xo manually
09:39 inkyfingers avoid "-S" in "sweets" - noted :)
09:42 I guess this will fail to paste ...
09:43 raspbian@pisces:~$ sweets -R  sdk/sugar:emulator
09:43 _XSERVTransSocketOpenCOTSServer: Unable to open socket for inet6
09:43 _XSERVTransOpen: transport open failed for inet6/pisces:30
09:43 _XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to open listener for inet6
09:43 [dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic, removing from list!
09:43 [dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled, removing from list!
09:43 [dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled, removing from list!
09:43 [dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1, removing from list!
09:43 [dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi, removing from list!
09:43 [dix] Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi, removing from list!
09:43 [dix] Could not init font path element /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType, removing from list!
09:43 ls: cannot access /usr/lib*/xulrunner-1.*: No such file or directory
09:43 The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:
09:43 > Warning:          Compat map for group 2 redefined
09:43 >                   Using new definition
09:43 > Warning:          Compat map for group 3 redefined
09:43 >                   Using new definition
09:43 > Warning:          Compat map for group 4 redefined
09:43 >                   Using new definition
09:43 Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server
09:43 The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:
09:43 > Warning:          Compat map for group 2 redefined
09:44 >                   Using new definition
09:44 > Warning:          Compat map for group 3 redefined
09:44 >                   Using new definition
09:44 > Warning:          Compat map for group 4 redefined
09:44 >                   Using new definition
09:44 Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server
09:44 The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:
09:44 > Warning:          Compat map for group 2 redefined
09:44 >                   Using new definition
09:44 > Warning:          Compat map for group 3 redefined
09:44 >                   Using new definition
09:44 > Warning:          Compat map for group 4 redefined
09:44 >                   Using
09:44 Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server
09:44 raspbian@pisces:~$
09:44 I think the Xkbcomp may be related to initial install bug of Raspian
09:46 I was not able to fully select UTF-GB for some reason and I notices a mis-match in locales - *in original raspbian install*
09:46 alsroot in any case Xkbcomp errors are not critical
09:48 inkyfingers quite
09:51 I only just remembered (doh ) I left a tiny FAT partition on the SD card, and I just checked, it is visible in the frame!
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10:11 Raspberrypi-ac5c I guess Raspberry pi is on IRC?
10:15 inkyfingers alsroot: Thank you very much! So that worked :) - now to start Browse.
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10:19 alsroot inkyfingers: to start Browse on arm, you can only try to install Browse (or its deps and use Browse from .xo) from native packages that debian provides
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10:24 inkyfingers Browse reports, fails to start on sdk and dextrose.
10:24 Thanks, I will look for surf.
10:25 Raspberrypi-ac5c: message received
10:26 Raspberrypi-ac5c Ta
10:26 closing bye
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10:33 inkyfingers Sorry, I am being impatient, is there a trick to finding Surf, not found in ASLO or http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activities
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10:41 alsroot inkyfingers: no ideas, afaik it is still in development stage
10:46 inkyfingers Thanks :)
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11:01 satellit_ http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/Surf-115.xo
11:02 I have it stored here
11:04 inkyfingers: ^
11:05 inkyfingers Thank you Tom I just remembered and found it - and was going to say "thanks for the archive" :)
11:05 satellit_ yw
11:11 http://dev.laptop.org/~bobbyp/surf/Surf-106.xo still exists also
11:11 http://dev.laptop.org/~bobbyp/surf/
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11:12 satellit_ http://www.olpcnews.com/forum/[…]pic=4512.msg31246
11:18 inkyfingers satellit_: Thanks for that, sadly surf-115 Failed to start. I can try from first principles ^. Thanks
11:27 Raspberrypi-ac5c test
11:29 inkyfingers Rpi: ok
11:37 Test report:
11:37 Product of :sweets  sdk/sugar:emulator
11:37 on Raspberry pi, running OS from www.raspbian.org
11:37 Build: Debian GNU/Linux testing/unstable
11:37 Sugar:0.94.1
11:37 All Function keys, F1 to 6, work ok
11:37 Avatars seen ok in F1 and F2,
11:37 F3 I have 2 working activities
11:37 Full control to "spare partition"
11:37 Journal is probably being slow to update - not correct/full, partial record.
11:37 No connection to ASLO,
11:37 8 Activities, downloaded to pc, and transferred to spare partition.
11:37 irc-10.xostarts and tested ok
11:38 chat-77.xo starts and works, test tx ok
11:38 browse-129.xo, Reports, failed to start
11:38 surf-115.xoReports, failed to start
11:38 terminal-39.xo Reports, failed to start
11:38 satellit_ inkyfingers: could ou write up how you got RPi to run sugar on wiki?  started page here  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]vanced_Topics#RPi
11:38 inkyfingers speak-41.xo Reports, failed to start
11:38 physics-10.xoReports, failed to start
11:38 sugar_commanderReports, failed to start
11:39 satellit_: Yes when I have reviewed how I got here! :)
11:40 satellit_ thanks...good luck
11:40 inkyfingers ur welcome to paste this in pro temps - if you don't mind me overwriting it later :)
11:40 satellit_ ok
11:43 note that for older sugar you may need older activities ie: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]atrix%28J_to_Z%29
11:44 these are pure python: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]etwork_Activities
11:45 from testing of SN on Factory
12:13 inkyfingers: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/T[…]opics#Test_report   (IRC session)
12:17 all done from TrimSlice h250  (this machine)
12:44 inkyfingers To recap - is it the case that  all http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]etwork_Activities are pure python.
12:44 ?
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13:01 satellit_ inkyfingers: testing for SN showed only those on list are  started with 300+ activities most would not start.... incl browse unfortunatly (Firefox -6.xo does but is not able to access the sugar-journal (not sugarized enough)
13:04 http://download.sugarlabs.org/activities/4262/   is firefox
13:04 can you use wget?
13:15 inkyfingers I have saved firefox/4262 - thanks.
13:16 I do not yet have a terminal in Sweets, but it will be on board Raspbian.
13:16 ^ wget
13:24 alsroot: One "last" specific question, please,
13:24 Debian Bug report logs - #644010 is now marked fixed.
13:24 I had already applied
13:25 sudo ln -fs python2.6 /usr/bin/python && sudo sed -i '/^default-version/s/python2../python2.6/' /usr/share/python/debian_defaults
13:25 To undo that I ran:
13:25 sudo ln -fs python2.7 /usr/bin/python && sudo sed -i '/^default-version/s/python2../python2.7/' /usr/share/python/debian_defaults
13:25 alsroot: Is there a chance my python is corrupted by this?
13:25 How could I test?
13:26 alsroot inkyfingers: it shouldn't. you can see what python version you are running via `python --version` command
13:36 inkyfingers alsroot: Python -V returns, python 2.7.3rc2, rather than the clean 2.7 which I started with.
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18:30 vinzz hi
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