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#sugar-newbies, 2011-03-05

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08:18 satellit_ alsroot: did you fix the jabber? I do not see any xxxxxx@jabber...   names anymore on F1 neighborhood   : )
08:19 alsroot satellit_: I've updated ejabberd version
08:20 satellit_ neat   thank you : )
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19:33 revive Hi, can anybody help with getting Tam Tam to work on Ubuntu-sugar-remix?
19:34 alsroot revive: could you pastebin tamtam log
19:34 revive I am very new to sugar
19:35 It si just saying "failed to start"
19:35 alsroot revive: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/B[…]gar_debug_logging
19:35 revive: you can find logs in ~/.sugar/default/logs/ directory
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19:37 revive Ok, will figure that out and come back.
19:37 There is a open bug in launchpad regardin this if you search for Tam Tam. Was hoping this has a known work-around
19:40 alsroot revive: do you mean https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubu[…]-0.88/+bug/661855
19:40 revive Will tell you in a bit. I am in irc in Sugar (no multi-tabs) so am typing on second laptop
19:42 No, bug No. 502991
19:43 alsroot revive: what is your arch?
19:44 revive Linux mint 10 32, also tested on Ubuntu 10.10 64 with same results, Works fine on Fedora 14 Linux on stick (all on same Acer Aspire Laptop)
19:45 satellit_ revive try trisquel-4.1-sugar it works in Virtualbox 4.0.4  Ubuntu 10.04LTS
19:45 revive I am trying to get a robust USB stick for a community project on diverse hardware - so Mint is really what I want to get working
19:46 It is working well at the moment, except for Tam TAm
19:46 satellit_ http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/C[…]ibutions/Trisquel
19:47 alsroot revive: it might be lack of dependencies at the end, could you pastebin output of `ldd ~/Activities/TamTam*/common​/Util/Clooper/*/aclient.so` command
19:47 satellit_ are you using a live USB or install to USB
19:47 revive Live USB with persistence
19:47 satellit_ mu experience is that "live" USB are not robust
19:48 revive Give me a sec - will get output of the command
19:48 satellit_ overlay (persistence) fills up and it fails
19:50 revive Here comes the long output:
19:50 mint@mint ~ $ ldd ~/Activities/TamTam*/common​/Util/Clooper/*/aclient.so                                                                                                          /home/mint/Activities/TamTamJam.activity/c​ommon/Util/Clooper/linux32_508/aclient.so: linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0x003a1000) libasound.so.2 => /usr/lib/libasound.so.2 (0x0095a000) libcsound.so.5.1 => not found libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 (0x0056c000) libm.so.6
19:51 oops - it is chopping it to one line
19:51 alsroot revive: do you have only one "linux32_508" directory in /home/mint/Activities/TamTamJa​m.activity/common/Util/Clooper ?
19:54 revive Yes, just the one, but also Linux32_510, Linux64_510, Linux64_508
19:55 alsroot revive: what csound version installed in your system?
19:55 revive Cant paste the whole output of terminal - it chops off in the browser
19:56 Ooh - how do I check that from the terminal?
19:56 alsroot revive: `dpkg-query -l | grep -i csound`
19:57 revive 1:5.12.1~dfsg-5rebuild1
19:58 That is the lastest Ubuntu Repo version
19:59 alsroot revive: hmm, it should work. whats the output of `ldd /home/mint/Activities/TamTamJam.activity/c​ommon/Util/Clooper/Linux32_510/aclient.so`
20:00 revive ldd: /home/mint/Activities/TamTamJam.activity/c​ommon/Util/Clooper/Linux32_510/aclient.so: No such file or directory
20:02 alsroot revive: oops, `ldd /home/mint/Activities/TamTamJam.activity/c​ommon/Util/Clooper/linux32_510/aclient.so`
20:03 revive A few lines to follow:
20:03 linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0x00df4000)
20:03 libasound.so.2 => /usr/lib/libasound.so.2 (0x005fa000)
20:04 libcsound.so.5.2 => not found
20:04 libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 (0x00110000)
20:04 libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x00820000)
20:04 libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x002ac000)
20:04 libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x002c8000)
20:05 libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x00527000)
20:05 libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x001fb000)
20:05 librt.so.1 => /lib/librt.so.1 (0x007e6000)
20:05 /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x00d55000)
20:05 That is all
20:06 alsroot revive: whats the output of "dpkg-query -L `dpkg-query -l | grep libcsound | awk '{print $2}'` | grep libcsound"
20:08 revive A few line to follow:
20:08 IRC
20:09 usr/share/doc/libcsound64-5.2
20:09 *wont post to irc with leading / so this is removed
20:09 usr/share/doc/libcsound64-5.2/buildinfo.gz
20:10 usr/share/doc/libcsound64-5.2/readme-csound5.txt
20:10 usr/share/doc/libcsound64-5.2/AUTHORS
20:10 usr/share/doc/libcsound64-5.2/copyright
20:10 usr/share/doc/libcsound64-5.2/changelog.Debian.gz
20:11 usr/lib/libcsound64.so.5.2
20:11 Thats it
20:11 alsroot revive: and you are not on x86_64?
20:12 revive My PC is x86_64 but I have Mint 10 32bit installed
20:14 alsroot revive: it seems to be the problem w/ lack of x86 blobs in tamtam .xo..
20:15 revive Ok. I am not highly technical - so wouldn't know how to file a bug approriately......
20:16 This seems to affect all Ubuntu-sugar-remix installs
20:17 satellit_ http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/C[…]tributions/Ubuntu how to install sweets
20:18 alsroot revive: for now, you can copy http://people.sugarlabs.org/~a[…]p/linux32_511_deb files to ~/Activities/<TamTam-activity>/com​mon/Util/Clooper/linux32_511_deb/
20:18 revive Will give that a go again - got a bit bamboozed by sweets the first time.
20:19 Will also try your second suggest - thanks a million.
20:20 satellit_ use 64 bit Ubuntu http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/C[…]ebian#Add_Sugar_0.88.1
20:21 32 bit does not work with sugar  missing libraries I think
20:21 revive Have tested 64bit Ubuntu 10.10 with Ubuntu-sugar-remix. Same problem with Tam TAm
20:22 satellit_ sorry I do not know then...have not tested it. dfarning left remix 1/2 finished and is on other projects now
20:23 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Sugar
20:23 alsroot revive: actually, for binary based activities (like tamtam is partially), the sutuation is really unsustainable in sugar
20:24 revive Ok - Tam Tam is a killer app though, real interest for kids
20:25 alsroot revive: the only way to be sure is using native packages from your distro or QAed activities from your sugar distributor (like OLPC) but it is only for stuff like XO deployments
20:25 revive: anyway, it needs to be improved in the future
20:26 revive Yeah - I am still feeling my way around. We have loads of computers and are trying to get off Windows
20:26 satellit_ virtualbox works here: in ubuntu http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]on_Kit/VirtualBox#.3D.3D.3E_Trisquel-4.1-suga​r_click_link_to_see_details
20:26 revive That is where Ubuntu and mint is good
20:26 Hardware is easier to get working
20:27 Orginisation is about digital inclusion - so really need something portable. Will have to do without Tam TAm for now
20:28 satellit_ http://www.oracle.com/technetw[…]nloads/index.html
20:29 revive Have used virtualbox for other purposes before. May try that with Fedora install for static stations
20:29 satellit_ works
20:29 alsroot revive: the real problem is that most of sustainable things happen on sugar deployment side (like OLPC), ie, w/ shipping sugar on XO laptops. There is a lack of support for GNU/Linux distro
20:29 satellit_ it is OS and hardware agnostic
20:30 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/D[…]_on_all_platforms  main link
20:31 revive Great, will have a look - thanks
20:31 satellit_ i am on MacBook PRO i7 also works on netbooks running Ubuntu/Debian/ Windows XP etc
20:32 alsroot revive: if you like ubuntu derivates and whant sugar in native env (ie not in VB) you can try Trisquel-4 LTS (based on ubuntu-10.04)
20:33 there is sugar up-to-date to the recent stable version and it works fine
20:33 revive Yeah will try Trisquel - just concerned with hardware support (they have stripped out all proprietary code)
20:33 Mint is working well - just the Tam TAm issue
20:33 satellit_ http://trisquel.info/en/download  main link
20:34 live usb is made with ubuntu USB Startup Disk Creator and .iso
20:35 has persistence works
20:35 revive Do you know if TAm TAm will work on this?
20:36 satellit_ have not installed it to USB lately to test  sorry
20:37 revive OK - you can get me at info at reviveyourpc.ie if you want feedback on how I get on.
20:37 satellit_ http://trisquel.info/
20:37 revive Thanks for the help
20:38 satellit_ http://trisquel.info/en/wiki/how-create-liveusb
20:38 yw
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