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| 00:03 | mulawa1 | all seemed to go ok - new version in place - http://activities.sugarlabs.or[…]/sugar/addon/4331 |
| 00:04 | all I need now is more testers - any suggestions on how to find them? | |
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| 11:22 | dipankar | alsroot, ping |
| 11:22 | alsroot | dipankar: hi |
| 11:27 | dipankar | alsroot, brb in five |
| 11:29 | alsroot, I am working on this bug http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2152 | |
| 11:29 | alsroot, I want to view the code of 'About Me', where the text box takes entry | |
| 11:31 | I tried grep -r 'About Me' /usr/shared/ | |
| 11:31 | alsroot | dipankar: see aboutme CP component |
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| 11:53 | dipankar | alsroot, with the same bug http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2152 |
| 11:54 | alsroot, I am thinking of adding re.sub(r':', '_', .. ) in the aboutme CP component | |
| 11:54 | file : model.py | |
| 11:54 | alsroot, will this work? | |
| 11:56 | alsroot | dipankar: the fix for this bug could be too invasive in case of user experience, I think it would be more useful to discuss it in sugar-devel@ |
| 11:57 | dipankar: btw we could already have nicks w/ wrong symbols in the field | |
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| 12:34 | dipankar | alsroot, I didn't get the above statement ^^ |
| 12:35 | alsroot | dipankar: if you add checking for wrong symbols on entering new nick you will skip already existed ones |
| 12:36 | dipankar | alsroot, then how about putting a check for first time entry too? |
| 12:37 | alsroot | dipankar: you mean add check for already existed nicks on sugar startup? |
| 12:38 | dipankar | alsroot, that can be done, but what I meant was to add a check for first time boot of XO... |
| 12:40 | alsroot | dipankar: well, it could not so obvious if already created nick will be changed from some time, I meant exactly something like this when talked about discussing it more widely on sugar-devel@ |
| 12:41 | dipankar | alsroot, ok, but where can I find the file where nick have been stored? from /desktop/sugar/user/nick ? |
| 12:42 | alsroot | dipankar: just grep for "sugar.user.nick" :) |
| 12:43 | dipankar | alsroot, ok :) |
| 12:55 | alsroot, the search is taking awful long time, can you give me a hint please :) | |
| 12:55 | ? | |
| 12:57 | alsroot | dipankar: sugar/extensions/cpsection/aboutme/model.py:set_nick |
| 12:57 | dipankar: btw where you are looking, sugar is just a bunch of .py files | |
| 12:57 | dipankar | alsroot, I am looking for where the nick is stored (So that the already wrong nick can be modified) |
| 12:58 | the command I used is : grep -r 'sugar.user.nick' /usr/shared/ | |
| 12:59 | alsroot | dipankar: "/usr/shared/", you are very patient then :) |
| 12:59 | dipankar: just grep within close sugar repo | |
| 12:59 | s/closed/cloned/ | |
| 13:00 | dipankar | alsroot, ohk |
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| 13:10 | dipankar | alsroot, sorry got d/c |
| 13:10 | my message: | |
| 13:10 | <dipankar> alsroot, I found this: | |
| 13:10 | <dipankar> /home/dipankar/test-s/mainline/extensions/cpsection/aboutme/model.py: client.set_string("/desktop/sugar/user/nick", nick) | |
| 13:10 | <dipankar> but still, I cannot find this path , /desktop/sugar/user/nick | |
| 13:10 | <dipankar> alsroot, the only close place I could reach is : ~/.sugar/default/gconf/desktop/sugar/user | |
| 13:10 | <dipankar> but couldn't find nick | |
| 13:11 | is away: Be Right Back | |
| 13:11 | is back (gone 00:00:01) | |
| 13:11 | alsroot | dipankar: "client.set_string("/desktop/sugar/user/nick", nick)" is what you need |
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| 13:13 | dipankar | alsroot, ok :) but you want me to check whether the already existing nick is a wrong one or not. |
| 13:13 | so what process shall I follow? | |
| 13:14 | alsroot | dipankar: that was just question, not sure how it could be implemented better, getting feedback from sugar-devel@ will be useful here |
| 13:14 | dipankar | alsroot, ok thanks :). I better move on to next bug then :P |
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| 13:57 | shan | alsroot, can you recommend someone who might be having idea of working with gtk. |
| 13:58 | alsroot, i am still working on adding search to View Source | |
| 14:00 | alsroot | shan: about well, many people might have some knowledge about gtk, gtk is too big for "might be having idea of working with gtk" :), btw did you find a method how to mark search terms in viewsource? |
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| 14:03 | shan | alsroot, currently i am following the search method of 'log viewer', but since 'log viewer' uses gtk.textview and 'view source' uses gtksourceview2, i am having some problem |
| 14:06 | alsroot | shan: I guess gtk.textview and gtksourceview2 don't have common things except that they inherit GObject... btw looks like you can use http://library.gnome.org/devel[…]tkSourceMark.html for marking searched text |
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| 14:40 | ishan_ | alsroot, hi |
| 14:42 | alsroot | ishan_: hi |
| 14:42 | ishan_ | alsroot, check http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2060 |
| 14:42 | alsroot, i have not been able to reproduce the bug | |
| 14:45 | alsroot, sorry | |
| 14:45 | i am now able to reproduce the bug | |
| 14:47 | alsroot, can you provide me some pointers | |
| 14:47 | alsroot | ishan_: for what, I'm not sure it is a bug, btw |
| 14:48 | ishan_ | alsroot, sorry |
| 14:48 | can you provide me some pointer on the above feature request | |
| 14:48 | alsroot | ishan_: if you think it will be useful to change current behaviour, we need to discuss such invasive things on sugar-devel@ anyway |
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| 16:11 | anuragc | alsroot:Hello |
| 16:11 | alsroot | anuragc: hi |
| 16:12 | anuragc | alsroot: Can you lead me to any link on D-bus api, I needed to know about it |
| 16:12 | alsroot | anuragc: which dbus service API you mean? |
| 16:14 | anuragc | alsroot: Well I actually dont know much about the matter but i was trying to understand some parts of the _sync_friends() in Friends.py inside jarabe.model which had some reference to some D-bus. |
| 16:16 | alsroot | anuragc: well, you have to learn too small things then :), http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/dbus and http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/ |
| 16:17 | anuragc | alsroot: thanks for the pointer :) |
| 16:17 | alsroot | anuragc: btw if you are going to do that for educating purposes then ok, if just fixing sugar bugs better to skip it :) |
| 16:17 | anuragc | alsroot: can you tell me some thing about the backup and restore feature of the journal |
| 16:18 | alsroot | anuragc: I didn't look at this part at all.. maybe someone on #sugar |
| 16:19 | anuragc | alsroot: sure and thanks |
| 16:21 | alsroot | yw |
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| 19:33 | manusheel | shan: Hi Shan. |
| 19:33 | Around? | |
| 19:33 | shan | manusheel, yes sir |
| 19:34 | manusheel | shan: Did you send the 2 e-mails? |
| 19:34 | shan: at sugar-devel? | |
| 19:35 | shan | i sent the first one sir, of search issue, making the second one now, having a some problem with git diff. asking ishan to help me out |
| 19:35 | manusheel | shan: When did you send it? |
| 19:36 | Did you copy sugar-devel on it? | |
| 19:36 | shan | manusheel, yes sir i had done that, i had sent it around 9 pm i think. |
| 19:36 | i did cc it sugar-devel | |
| 19:37 | manusheel | shan: Ok, yes. It was missing the one-line summary of the issue in the subject field. |
| 19:37 | Kindly do so you in your next e-mail. | |
| 19:38 | shan | oh.. yes sir, i had forgot about that. i will make sure of that in my next email. |
| 19:38 | manusheel | In the subject, add the one-line summary of the issue with the bug number. |
| 19:38 | sure | |
| 19:38 | that would be important | |
| 19:38 | shan | yes, sir i remember you had told me to do so, i will do so next time |
| 19:45 | manusheel | shan: Great. Is Ishan around? |
| 19:46 | shan | yes sir i will call him. |
| 19:46 | manusheel | shan: Kindly ask him to send his e-mails to sugar-devel today too. |
| 19:46 | shan: sure. | |
| 19:47 | shan | he has gone out somewhere, i will let him know. |
| 19:52 | manusheel | shan: sure. |
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| 20:14 | shan | manusheel, sir, i got the copy part of it, :-) not thinking of mailing it to sugar-devel now, if can't complete the paste of it till now, would then send it. |
| 20:15 | till i sleep* | |
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| 21:04 | manusheel | shan: great. |
| 21:05 | shan: I believe we would be able to arrive at a good conclusion on this issue soon. | |
| 21:07 | shan: Between, did you get the pointer by Neeraj and Dipankar on SL #415? | |
| 21:10 | shan: Glad we had a productive hacking session today. Talk to you soon. | |
| 21:10 | shan | manusheel, no sir, haven't had a talk with neeraj sir and dipankar sir about that issue, i plan to solve it up at ishan's laptop |
| 21:12 | manusheel, yes it was a pretty encouraging session, this patch gives the required confidence boost. :-) | |
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| 21:27 | manusheel | shan: Great. |
| 21:28 | tabs | The 2010 Global Education Conference will be held November 15 - 19, 2010, online and free - I am wondering how much Sugar community support I could get if I proposed a Sugar session, It would mean that before the session attendees would need to download Sugar on a Stick, I think it would be good if we had community involved and able to help with running it in more than just English and helping people, anyone want to be involved? |
| 21:29 | manusheel | tabs: Glad to hear. Our team will be happy to be involved. 4 of our team members are doing a Sugar on a Stick deployment at a New Delhi school for 6th and 7th grade students. |
| 21:30 | tabs | cool, meet an Indian guy at a conference earlier this week who wanted to know about Indian Sugar deployments :-) |
| 21:31 | manusheel | tabs: Great. We would be starting another Sugar deployment in Pune in the coming month. |
| 21:31 | tabs | I will put the proposal in today, what language can I list you as speaking? |
| 21:31 | manusheel | tabs: English |
| 21:31 | tabs | any other? |
| 21:32 | manusheel | tabs: Hindi |
| 21:32 | tabs | okay, great, that is 2 languages so far :-) |
| 21:32 | manusheel | tabs: :-) |
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| 21:36 | manusheel | tabs: Between, I'll be at San Franciso on October 20-22nd for a presentation to some of our clients in bioinformatics. If I happen to stay for the weekend, will surely meet you at S.F. Community Summit. |
| 21:36 | tabs | yes, will be great to put face to name |
| 21:37 | manusheel | tabs: Great. Glad you are attending the Summit. Hope Samoa deployments are coming along well. |
| 21:37 | tabs | they are quiet, need to follow up |
| 21:38 | Been asked to help at Cook Islands but not sure when one of our techie volunteers can come with me | |
| 21:38 | one is free to come in december but that is quite far away | |
| 21:38 | need to look at server performance, wifi issues and internet connectivity issues | |
| 21:39 | I can do the rest of their request around integrating in curriculum and help them to be bold (the teachers are shy about trying to use the laptops apparently) | |
| 21:40 | manusheel | tabs: Yes, the change management issues are indeed challenging at times. Found the same, while working with Sri Lanka. Are you using Moodle for curriculum management? |
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| 21:41 | tabs | personally I use moodle every day and it is the basis of my own website tabitha.net.nz |
| 21:41 | used Moodle in Samoa too but teaching them in very short space of time it was hard for teachers to cope with all the new knowledge | |
| 21:43 | I wish I had known about the curriculum development team before I went, as we were only told about two IT guys - there are people who we should have been working with but were unaware until the day before we left the country | |
| 21:44 | manusheel | tabs: Ok. Great to hear that you use Moodle everyday. Yes, we have to take things step by step and slowly with educators. They need active engagement at all ends. Moodle has started to pick up in India too. |
| 21:45 | tabs | I can help with Moodle questions from a teacher end - worked for Moodle Partner since 2004 and do teacher training for a job |
| 21:46 | manusheel | tabs: Yes, this is another set of issues that are very common at deployments. Effective relationship building and coordination lacks at deployments many a times. |
| 21:47 | tabs: That is wonderful to hear. You have lot of experience with Moodle. What is the timeline you propose for doing teacher training through Moodle? | |
| 21:47 | tabs: timeline -> estimated timeline | |
| 21:48 | tabs | In a perfect world, I would say you should do 2 hours a day and just teach one thing at a time, and at the end of two weeks they can do quite a lot |
| 21:50 | Day 1 - navigating a course as a student, opening resources, and finding your way around. Get them to try activities as a student - add entry to glossary, make a choice, try a quiz | |
| 21:50 | Day 2 - as the teacher, just work on putting in headings and the "add a resource" list - practice, practice, practice | |
| 21:51 | Day 3 - make activities - I would start with choice activity and forum, practice as teacher and student on each others courses | |
| 21:51 | Day 4 - make activities - glossary | |
| 21:51 | Day 5 - make activities - quiz | |
| 21:52 | Practice time again | |
| 21:52 | Next using blocks and more practice | |
| 21:52 | The problem we all face is too little time at the deployment so we try to cram it all in too fast, then nothing sticks at all | |
| 21:53 | If there are enough teachers and volunteers to split into two groups then you can teach half of them one set of activities and the other half the other activities | |
| 21:53 | e.g. group 1 could learn glossary, database and wiki | |
| 21:53 | group 2 could learn the rest of the activities | |
| 21:54 | or something like that | |
| 21:54 | I always put glossary and database together - database is a powerful tool to follow glossary | |
| 21:54 | too hard if they have not used glossary first | |
| 21:55 | manusheel | tabs: That is simply great. Thanks for sharing your approach towards teacher training through Moodle. Will keep you copied if we come across any such opportunity in India, South Korea and Singapore on Moodle teacher training. |
| 21:55 | tabs | The other thing I teach is some very very basic html for the most advanced teachers - only things like heading styles, format font size, bold, italic, adding links, and how to make a table |
| 21:56 | If they have connection to the internet then teach them enough to email or IRC and ask for help | |
| 21:56 | manusheel | tabs: Great. How has been the response on this front? |
| 21:56 | tabs | Get their Moodle online and make an account for remote support person |
| 21:57 | It seems to work, I run these continuously for Unitec staff - tertiary education; and I present and run workshops at conferences throughout the year for primary, secondary and tertiary teachers | |
| 21:58 | manusheel | tabs: Getting the Moodle online - we mean configuration and customization of Moodle? |
| 21:59 | tabs | URL that we can get to from another country so when they say "look at this course please" we can look |
| 21:59 | I help people with their Moodle sites in different cities and countries from my computer in Auckland | |
| 22:01 | manusheel | tabs: Wow. That is quite an effort. I believe these users provide you VPN/ssh/FTP/cpanel access to work on their sites. Am I correct? |
| 22:02 | tabs | nope |
| 22:02 | just an admin account | |
| 22:02 | i.e. username and password | |
| 22:02 | manusheel | tabs: Sure. |
| 22:02 | tabs | I dont do server configuration for them, just site configuratoin |
| 22:03 | things like, changing the default course layout, enabling RSS, help with setting up metacourses etc | |
| 22:05 | manusheel | tabs: Great. How good have you found the user security in Moodle? I haven't looked at the code. But, I see a live teaching organization providing accessibility to paid content through Moodle in India. |
| 22:05 | tabs: The name of the organization is Tathagat Tutorials Ltd. | |
| 22:07 | tabs | looking up |
| 22:08 | manusheel | tabs: This is their Moodle website - http://totalgadha.com/ |
| 22:09 | tabs | it has google ads |
| 22:09 | there are lots of free moodle courses that teachers can use | |
| 22:10 | most are designed for use in places that have broadband internet and not much filtering as they have links to youtube etc | |
| 22:10 | in New Zealand we have Moodle in Schools http://www.moodleinschools.org.nz/ | |
| 22:12 | On Moodle.org there is Exchange http://moodle.org/course/view.php?id=15 that has not only courses but glossaries, SCORM packages, quiz questions and databases | |
| 22:12 | There was a competition a while ago that collected up lots of courses - http://coolcourses.moodle.org/ | |
| 22:13 | manusheel | tabs: Great. What is the best free moodle on-line library center that you have came across? |
| 22:13 | tabs | They had a primary school category and secondary school category, and the courses are in multiple languages |
| 22:14 | they are all a work in progress to be honest | |
| 22:14 | http://mec.moodle.net/ should become a hub but it is early days for them too | |
| 22:16 | manusheel | tabs: Sure. Glad that things have been progressing well. |
| 22:16 | tabs | the other place to look is in learning object repositories - there are some projects listed on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning_object |
| 22:16 | I took a couple of courses from moodleinschools and moodle exchange to Samoa | |
| 22:18 | I also tried to download lots of ebooks and put them on their school server but that was quite hard - not easy to download ebooks in bulk, only 1 at a time or using a download assistant a small sample at a time. We got about three hundred ebooks in the end. Some were from schoollibrary.com and from UNESCO | |
| 22:19 | manusheel | tabs: That is great. |
| 22:20 | tabs: So, you put the e-books at the XS Server, right? | |
| 22:21 | tabs | yes, made a link on the Moodle homepage to the ebooks directory |
| 22:21 | also put "Schools wiki" on XS and put link on Moodle homepage | |
| 22:22 | Schools wiki is 5000 pages with images and in categories aimed at school curriculum | |
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| 22:25 | manusheel | tabs: Which documentation did you follow for the XS Server? Is the one on wiki.laptop.org upto date? Martin Langhoff told me when we talked last time that school server documentation was not upto date, and that he was working on it. |
| 22:27 | tabs | we followed and updated some documention on wiki.laptop.org, some information from the mailing list and some discoveries of our own |
| 22:28 | manusheel | tabs: Great. |
| 22:30 | shan | manusheel, around? |
| 22:33 | manusheel | shan: Hi Shan. |
| 22:34 | tabs: Can you share with us some pointers on the approach we need to follow for deploying and using XS server at the sites? | |
| 22:34 | shan: I am here. | |
| 22:34 | shan | manusheel, the paste feature would also require the beads to rearrange themselves according the value pasted? |
| 22:35 | manusheel | shan: That looks like the case. |
| 22:36 | shan | manusheel, okay, i am planning to make git diff of the changes and sending to sugar-devel. |
| 22:37 | manusheel | shan: Sure. |
| 22:37 | shan: Makes sense. | |
| 22:44 | tabs | Tom (the techie that did Samoa setup and my partner) says "don't try to be clever with test installations -- install on the first harddrive, installing anywhere else is very difficult (this won't be a problem when installing on the real hardware), do get the updates, as the colaboration server is broken without them (ask on the mailing list for instructions if you can't find them on the wiki), join the mailing list (server-devel), registering with teh |
| 22:44 | schoolserver is painful due to bugs in the XO (fixed in dextrose), | |
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| 22:54 | tabs | manusheel: is this a connected or disconnected site? discover how to mirror the olpc/sugarlabs wiki onto the server and how to update same without major pain |
| 22:58 | manusheel | tabs: Thank you so much for the pointers. |
| 22:59 | tabs: Which website are we referring to? | |
| 23:00 | tabs | manusheel: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XS_Installing_Software |
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| 23:05 | manusheel | tabs: Looks like a connected site. |
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| 23:06 | manusheel | tabs: Thanks for sharing this link. |
| 23:11 | tabs: Nice talking to you today. Will keep in touch. Regards. | |
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