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#sugar-newbies, 2010-09-17

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11:51 dfarning good morning manusheel et. al.
11:51 manusheel dfarning: Good morning.
11:53 dfarning manusheel, Is everything on track after the vacation?
11:54 manusheel dfarning: Yes.
11:55 dfarning: We will be able to arrive at a good conclusion on some of the patches today.
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11:56 manusheel ayush, anurag, aseem, neeraj: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/quer[…]nt&keywords=$love
11:57 dfarning manusheel, nice.  Sugar is in feature freeze so keep in mind that bug fixes will be accepted while new features will be postponed until the .90 window opens.
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12:00 manusheel dfarning: Sure. Saw the e-mail. Have a date for 0.90 release decided?
12:00 dfarning manusheel, I should be on the release calendar.
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12:06 manusheel dfarning: Ok. I'll have a look.
12:07 aseem_: ./sugar-jhbuild depscheck
12:07 aseem_: yum install dep1 ....
12:07 ayush: sugar-jhbuild/sources/sugar/exten​sion/cpsection/datetime/model.py
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12:27 dfarning manusheel, We have a quick bug for someone if they want it.
12:28 manusheel,  the screen resolution in flipsticks in incorrect when used in the emulator.
12:29 manusheel dfarning: Great. Do we have a bug opened for this issue at the bug tracker?
12:29 alsroot blame its maintainer :)
12:30 btw flipsticks looks fine for me
12:31 dfarning alsroot, does it look ok in a small emulator window?  The controls at the bottom are cut off for me.... and jeff elkners class.
12:32 manusheel, this is one of those short bugs where it is not worth the effort to file a bug.
12:33 alsroot dfarning: got it, but the problem that it is follow hig and doesn't intended to work fine in less sizes
12:36 manusheel dfarning: Sure.
12:36 dfarning alsroot, That is a problem.  either we stop offering the emulator at low resolutions or deal with the resizing issue.
12:37 alsroot dfarning: btw flipstics is not only one activity in that case, we have even fructose activities that are not intended to work well in less then hig cell counts
12:37 e.g. Write
12:38 manusheel aseem_: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Flipsticks
12:39 alsroot dfarning: why not start emulator w/ hig cell counts window mode and fallback to fullscreen (if physical screen size is too small... then it is not designed for this)
12:39 aseem_: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/A[…]ities/Flip_Sticks :)
12:40 dfarning alsroot, where is the reference to minimume cell count in the hig?
12:42 alsroot dfarning: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/H[…]Layout_Guidelines
12:42 dfarning: and here the patch, http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1747
12:43 dfarning manusheel, looks like I was wrong. this is a bigger issues then I thought.
12:53 alsroot, it looks like you orginal patch will fix the problem. silbe's concern was that you chose an odd default size.
12:54 alsroot dfarning: I'm just using HIG size in cells, if git right silbe, problem is default scalling but 72 is default one (in other place)
12:54 *I got right
12:56 silbe alsroot: the problem is that Sugar will simply break on real screens. We might be able to "tune" the number of pixels for sugar-emulator, but we can't change the number of pixels real screens have. We need to cope with whatever we encounter.
12:57 the HIG was written for the XO-1 which had a fixed resolution of 1200x900. The layout guidelines need to be adjusted to the new reality of Sugar running on lots of different hardware, with hugely different screen sizes (both physical and logical)
12:57 s/was/were/
12:57 alsroot silbe: well it's right, but the real problem we encounter is broken toolbars even in fructose activities
12:58 dfarning silbe, +1 for reworking the HIG.  but what do we do in the mean time?
12:58 alsroot ..we encounter right now
12:58 silbe alsroot: yes, they need to be fixed not to rely on any kind of size ratio
13:01 alsroot silbe: at the end it can't be fixed totally, just some activities are targeted to one screen size, other to another (all still work in both cases but are not so useful), the current situation is that most of activities targeted to hig cell count and would be good to not break them by default
13:02 silbe alsroot: it's OK if they don't look perfect, but they mustn't break
13:03 dfarning silbe, they do _effectivily_ break when controls are pushed off the right or off the bottom of the emulator window.
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13:05 silbe BTW, the default resolution of sugar-emulator is tuned for activity developers, to make sure their activities work even with the minimum size. For actual users, I recommend to either use Sugar "natively" (gdm/kdm/.xsession/whatever) or if they really want sugar-emulator run it either fullscreen or with a size tuned to their monitor (see --dimensions parameter).
13:06 dfarning: fully agreed. The issue probably is that while 800x600 is easily divided into 16x12 cells, the number of pixels doesn't match (75 on XO-1 vs. 50 for 800x600).
13:07 I would suggest to move the discussion to #sugar, BTW. We're definitely out of newbie territory here :)
13:09 manusheel ayush: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/quer[…]nt&keywords=$love
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13:13 dfarning silbe, see http://imagebin.ca/view/WRMLmxxG.html
13:18 alsroot dfarning: btw looks like flipsticks doesn't conform hig :), will fix it
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13:27 dfarning alsroot, thanks.  And then should we apply your patch at http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1747 to USR.
13:28 alsroot dfarning: at least that's the minimum we can do right now
13:28 ..I guess
13:29 dfarning alsroot, +1 manusheel can you test and apply http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1747 to Ubuntu.
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13:38 alsroot dfarning: manusheel: http://download.sugarlabs.org/[…]pSticks-7.tar.bz2
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13:49 manusheel dfarning: Sure.
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15:53 aseem_ <alsroot>:can you please tell me about where does the volumes toolbar in journal acitvity lies???
15:55 alsroot aseem_: grep for "Volumes" it should be volumestoolbar.py
15:57 aseem_ alsroot: i cant find it in the emulator itself
15:58 alsroot aseem_: emulator is but a .py file, you need to grep within sugar project sources
15:58 *is just
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16:01 alsroot aseem_: http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/sugar
16:09 aseem_ alsroot:i need to look at the volumes toolbar in the emulator, not its code. i cant find it anywhere.
16:14 alsroot heh
16:14 silbe: it is in bottom fram panel
16:14 silbe: sorry, aseem_ ^
16:15 ..right corner, if you don't see it that means you don't have volumes
16:17 ..removable volumes
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16:37 MephistoM hey guys - what is the easiest and simplest way to boot Sugar OS on a windows 7 computer?
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