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| 13:30 | meeting | Meeting started Mon May 21 13:30:44 2018 UTC. The chair is Pro-Panda. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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| 13:30 | Pro-Panda | #chair walterbender iamutkarshtiwari |
| 13:30 | meeting | Current chairs: Pro-Panda iamutkarshtiwari walterbender |
| 13:31 | Pro-Panda | #link https://www.pro-panda.tech/201[…]GSoC-Maltose.html |
| 13:31 | iamutkarshtiwari | Hello Mr. Cameron and Mr. Bender |
| 13:31 | Hi Pro-panda | |
| 13:31 | Pro-Panda | Link for this week's blog post |
| 13:31 | ^^ | |
| 13:31 | #topic previous-week | |
| 13:31 | walterbender | Pro-Panda, are you stuck on Telepathy? |
| 13:32 | Pro-Panda | walterbender: yes |
| 13:32 | walterbender | wonders if we can by pass it in the short term |
| 13:32 | and revisit after getting everything else working | |
| 13:33 | is it just lack of documentation or is there something else too? | |
| 13:33 | Pro-Panda | A hack would be to pack my port of telepathy inside sugar-toolkit for a while. But, in that case, we should avoid building packages for the same |
| 13:34 | http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]8-May/055396.html | |
| 13:35 | walterbender: Lack of documentation and lack of developers maintaining and using telepathy | |
| 13:35 | walterbender | I think we will want to address this over the course of GSoC |
| 13:35 | the question is when | |
| 13:35 | I don't know what collabora has replaced telepathy with... | |
| 13:35 | We've been long overdue for an overhaul | |
| 13:36 | but it will break a number of core activities | |
| 13:36 | write, chat, record, turtle, etc. | |
| 13:36 | With most of these, we've managed to compartmentalize the collaboration code | |
| 13:36 | Pro-Panda | walterbender: this response was from someone from collabora: https://lists.freedesktop.org/[…]8-May/007061.html |
| 13:36 | walterbender | but it is still a major undertaking |
| 13:37 | Emilio's plan makes sense | |
| 13:38 | but I wonder if they have a newer, better maintained framework? | |
| 13:38 | Pro-Panda | I don't think so ;'( |
| 13:39 | I had been able to port activities to TelepathyGLib, but only the ones which didn't make Channels there itself | |
| 13:39 | https://github.com/sugarlabs/stopwatch/pull/4 | |
| 13:39 | https://github.com/sugarlabs/s[…]calculate/pull/51 | |
| 13:39 | https://github.com/sugarlabs/w[…]-activity/pull/25 | |
| 13:41 | walterbender | what is an example of where we create a new channel (/me though just about everything -- except for record -- used text channels) |
| 13:42 | Pro-Panda | Pippy |
| 13:43 | walterbender | doesn't like the collaboration model in Pippy very much |
| 13:43 | Pro-Panda | Same is the case with Toolkit as well |
| 13:44 | https://github.com/sugarlabs/s[…]70d8ec36f91c15L30 | |
| 13:45 | is confused on what is to be done next | |
| 13:45 | walterbender | We should consult with Quozl, but IMHO, if we can get the text channels working and those activities that only use text channels, we can cover most of our needs while we sort this out |
| 13:46 | Pro-Panda | Hmm. |
| 13:46 | walterbender | seems that the toolkit needs text channels and to manage rooms |
| 13:47 | Pro-Panda, do you have a way to test collaboration? | |
| 13:47 | Pro-Panda | gets confused with the terminologies used by telepathy |
| 13:47 | walterbender: yes | |
| 13:48 | I am using two VM intances on my machine | |
| 13:48 | walterbender | OK |
| 13:48 | and what is broken in the toolkit? | |
| 13:48 | couldn't tell by reading your patch | |
| 13:49 | Pro-Panda | Nothing is broken, I couldn't make port telepathy.client.Channel object used in the toolkit |
| 13:49 | *couldn't port | |
| 13:51 | Quozl's Messages while we discussed this on #sugar | |
| 13:51 | "Pro-Panda[m]: yes, I saw. I looked for Python code on GitHub that calls Telepathy, but haven't found anything very helpful yet; did find this; https://github.com/heiher/telepathy-examples ... which uses the same API but with the Vala language." | |
| 13:51 | "Pro-Panda[m]: another approach might be to look at release notes of different versions of Telepathy, or compare different documentation versions. But ultimately, you may have to understand how Telepathy works." | |
| 13:52 | walterbender | there must be someone somewhere using the python bindings |
| 13:53 | Pro-Panda | walterbender: I couldn't find anyone :/ |
| 13:53 | using the PyGobject Binding | |
| 13:54 | walterbender | do you know vala? (I don't but it looks a lot like Python) |
| 13:54 | Pro-Panda | Umm, Should I spend the next week on completing this port ? |
| 13:54 | walterbender | maybe more like JS |
| 13:54 | Pro-Panda | thinks if he can understand the terms well, he might be able to port the entire code |
| 13:54 | speculates | |
| 13:55 | walterbender | Pro-Panda, see if you can make any headway over the next 24 hours and we can discuss it further with Quozl at tomorrow's meeting |
| 13:55 | Pro-Panda | Sure |
| 13:56 | Also, maybe octamois can join in to work on the toolkit, since its a prereq for porting activities and the port of activities is fairly trivial imo | |
| 13:56 | I ported ~8 of them already | |
| 13:57 | Both of us can wrap all the activities at the end | |
| 13:58 | walterbender | sounds good |
| 13:58 | what else needs to be done on the toolkit? | |
| 13:58 | Pro-Panda | Porting the make files |
| 13:58 | https://github.com/sugarlabs/s[…]it-gtk3/pull/391: I will complete this patch soon | |
| 13:58 | *patch's compliment | |
| 14:00 | Nothing else needs to be done on the toolkit | |
| 14:01 | There is scope for improvement in the docs and examples, but I think we can put them at a low priority for now | |
| 14:01 | walterbender | so one of you can work on make and one on telepathy? |
| 14:01 | Pro-Panda | Sure |
| 14:01 | walterbender | let's decide at tomorrow's meeting the details |
| 14:02 | Pro-Panda | Sure |
| 14:02 | walterbender | but meanwhile, see if you can dig a bit deeper into telepathy |
| 14:02 | If you can get the gist of the vala code, it may help. | |
| 14:02 | Pro-Panda | Yes, I am also going through browse/collabwrapper |
| 14:02 | And a few other examples | |
| 14:03 | But it seems that TelepathyGLib has some differences in the terminology, which makes it confusing | |
| 14:03 | walterbender | we use collabwrapper a lot of places |
| 14:04 | Pro-Panda | Quozl suggested me to go through that |
| 14:05 | I will try to discuss this on #telepathy once again | |
| 14:06 | I have nothing more in mind as of now :-) | |
| 14:08 | walterbender | I can walk you through that code if it would help |
| 14:09 | hasn't looked at it in a while | |
| 14:09 | Pro-Panda | Sure, that would be a lot of help |
| 14:09 | Maybe we can discuss in half an hour, collecting on all my doubts as well | |
| 14:09 | ? | |
| 14:11 | walterbender | OK |
| 14:11 | I should be around | |
| 14:11 | Pro-Panda | Great, thank you :-) |
| 14:12 | walterbender | we added pretty extensive comments in the collabwrapper code as I recall |
| 14:13 | Pro-Panda | Once I port the telepathy code in toolkit, I will add there too :-) |
| 14:13 | Should we end the meeting ? | |
| 14:13 | walterbender | wonders if we shouldn't add collabwrapper to the toolkit... |
| 14:13 | something else to discuss | |
| 14:14 | Pro-Panda | *add comments |
| 14:14 | Sure, what should we discuss ? | |
| 14:17 | walterbender | I meant to discuss in the devel meeting |
| 14:17 | Pro-Panda | Oh, alright |
| 14:17 | walterbender | I've nothing more to add for today |
| 14:17 | Pro-Panda | Cool, same here |
| 14:18 | iamutkarshtiwari: Is there anything which needs discussion in your opinion ? | |
| 14:18 | iamutkarshtiwari | Nothing from my side |
| 14:18 | Pro-Panda | Great, thank you :-) |
| 14:18 | walterbender | thank you |
| 14:18 | Pro-Panda | #end-meeting |
| 14:18 | meeting | Meeting ended Mon May 21 14:18:53 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
| 14:18 | Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-21T13:30:44.html | |
| 14:18 | Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]18-05-21T13:30:44 |