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meeting |
Meeting started Tue Mar 27 21:00:07 2018 UTC. The chair is Quozl_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting |
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Quozl_ |
#topic quorum |
| 21:00 |
walterbender |
hi |
| 21:00 |
Quozl_ |
hey, who's here? |
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Pro-Panda |
hi |
| 21:00 |
Quozl_ |
#agreed quorum |
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hello walter, hello rahul. |
| 21:00 |
walterbender |
hi Quozl_ |
| 21:00 |
Quozl_ |
#topic what we have been working on |
| 21:00 |
octamois |
Hello everyone |
| 21:01 |
walterbender |
is super excited that we finally have the new music block server live |
| 21:01 |
Pro-Panda |
(1) Researched on the possibility of porting to GTK+ 4. (2) Reviewing pull requests, reporting issues in fructose activities (3) Completing project proposals for GSoC application. |
| 21:01 |
Quozl_ |
Reviewed proposals, reviewed a few pull requests, wrote about a social issue that affects coordination, ported from GConf to Gio.Settings (for Sugar, toolkit, Browse, Read and Write); https://github.com/orgs/sugarlabs/projects/2 |
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Discovered a GStreamer Gst.Message deprecation; https://github.com/orgs/sugarlabs/projects/3 |
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walterbender: is it public now? linked from sugarlags.org? |
| 21:02 |
octamois |
Worked on my GSOC proposal last week |
| 21:02 |
walterbender |
musicblocks.sugarlabs.org |
| 21:02 |
Quozl_ |
hello anmol. |
| 21:02 |
walterbender |
Quozl_, I will move the repo later this week to gh/sl |
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Just want to get the Turtle version live |
| 21:02 |
Quozl_ |
i think it would be good to have a link to it from www.sugarlabs.org |
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walterbender |
+1 |
| 21:03 |
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Quozl_, one technical question |
| 21:03 |
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the new version uses iframes and cookies |
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so I don't think the embedded in Browse approach will work |
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I think launching a local server inside Sugar would be better |
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Are there examples of that in any existing activities? |
| 21:04 |
Quozl_ |
hmm, i thought it was already a server. shows how little attention i paid to it. ;-) yes, wikipedia activity. |
| 21:04 |
walterbender |
OK. I will take a look |
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also, /me met a number of different educators at LibrePlanet and at an MIT edu conference |
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all interested in Suagr |
| 21:05 |
Quozl_ |
cool. |
| 21:05 |
walterbender |
gave out some Sugar on a Sticks |
| 21:05 |
Quozl_ |
* topic is "what we have been working on". any other comments or questions on topic? |
| 21:05 |
walterbender |
there is a program running out of a college in upper state NY that is doing lots of after-school outreach |
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Pro-Panda |
that is great :-) |
| 21:05 |
walterbender |
they are very interested |
| 21:05 |
octamois |
We will be reaching out to more people. 😀 |
| 21:06 |
walterbender |
and I met a group at LibrePlanet with an office in Managua |
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will put them in touch with FZT |
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yashagrawal3 <yashagrawal3!9d29aa2e gateway/web/freenode/ip.157.41.170.46> has joined #sugar-meeting |
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Quozl_ |
yashagrawal3: what have you been working on? |
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nothing after a minute, i'll move on now. |
| 21:07 |
yashagrawal3 |
Quozl: Was busy with school work, tested a few activities on which I proposed to work. |
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Quozl_ |
#topic port from GConf to Gio.Settings |
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yashagrawal3: thanks! |
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#link https://github.com/orgs/sugarlabs/projects/2 |
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this came up from debian, who noticed that a gtk+ 2 library was being withdrawn, causing withdrawal of sugar from debian. |
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walterbender |
Quozl_, this'll impact some activities as well |
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e.g., Turtle |
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octamois |
This link is not working for me |
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Quozl_ |
it turns out we kept a bit of gconf in sugar as compatibility for old gtk+ 2 activities, and there are some gtk+ 3 activities where the porting neglected to shift to Gio.Settings. |
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walterbender: yes, very easy to find activities affected, just search for GConf |
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now while gtk+ 2 hasn't gone yet, it will soon, so this is just a kind of "last orders" call at the pub bar. ;-) |
| 21:10 |
yashagrawal3 |
Could have added this to proposal, but still can work on activities I might be working this summer |
| 21:10 |
Quozl_ |
yashagrawal3: we weren't to know exactly when this would happen, and there are likely other deprecations yet to come. |
| 21:11 |
yashagrawal3 |
It can be tackled as it comes. :) |
| 21:11 |
Quozl_ |
octamois: are you logged in to github? perhaps github is not showing projects to you if not logged in. if you are logged in, perhaps it only shows to members of the organisation. |
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(actually, that's an important point, if the URL is visible i'll have to refer to the text instead) |
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s/visible/invisible |
| 21:12 |
walterbender |
had no problem with the URL |
| 21:13 |
Quozl_ |
while working on this deprecation, i found another, for Gst.Message.structure. |
| 21:13 |
octamois |
I am logged in to GitHub, I think it's only visible to members of organisation. |
| 21:14 |
Quozl_ |
* any other comments on topic? i'll move on in 30 seconds. |
| 21:14 |
walterbender |
Quozl_, does the eprecation impact messageType? |
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e.g. Gst.MessageType.ERROR |
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Quozl_ |
walterbender: no, just access to the structure member of Gst.Message, used to be just .structure, now have to call .get_structure() |
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(probably so that it can be reference counted and cleaned up). |
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#link https://github.com/orgs/sugarlabs/projects |
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hmm, sorry, was distracted by github configuration. can't seem to find a way to make the project visible. |
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#topic don't ask, just do |
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#link https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/pull/148 |
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i made a rant, walter backed it up with a doc change, ... discuss. |
| 21:19 |
walterbender |
Quozl_, It drives me a bit crazy too... |
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I see it a lot with activities |
| 21:19 |
Quozl_ |
to seed the discussion; is this a cultural difference we need to be aware of, and can others work within the open source culture of "code first, questions later." |
| 21:20 |
walterbender |
or, show, don't tell |
| 21:21 |
Quozl_ |
octamois: yashagrawal3: Pro-Panda: your opinions? |
| 21:21 |
octamois |
A few organisation have a culture of work assignment, new comers tend to stick to that I think. |
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I made this mistake (personal view) |
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yashagrawal3 |
Any constructive thing can be figured out from idea and suggestion |
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Pro-Panda_ |
apologies, got disconnected |
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In my opinion, developers can announce that they are working on an issue and if they don't follow up on that in a day or so, someone else should be free to take it |
| 21:23 |
yashagrawal3 |
Rather than discarding it all together or making him wait, allow them to show there work. Walter seems to have right opinion according to me. |
| 21:23 |
Quozl_ |
Pro-Panda_: thanks, our topic is https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/pull/148 and the question put;is this a cultural difference we need to be aware of, and can others work within the open source culture of "code first, questions later." |
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Pro-Panda_: thanks. |
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i've no problem with people announcing they are working on something; but (a) it can get noisy, (b) it won't stop me working on it too. |
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Pro-Panda has quit IRC |
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Pro-Panda_ |
Quozl_: agreed with both points. |
| 21:26 |
Quozl_ |
incidentally, we've also shifted in the past couple of years from requiring a pull request author to make all the changes, to a shared model where some changes may be made by reviewer. |
| 21:26 |
Pro-Panda_ |
personally, I am comfortable with "code first, questions later.", and thats what I observed in the around people me. |
| 21:26 |
Quozl_ |
linux kernel development team is an example of model where almost all changes have to be made by the author of the commit series. |
| 21:27 |
octamois |
Speaking of announcement, collaboration is meant to share, not to dominate or do a seperate work. I think Walter's point of view is appropriate. |
| 21:27 |
Quozl_ |
yeah, when someone says 'i |
| 21:28 |
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yeah, when someone says "i'm going to work on this", one of my responses can be "here's what i've done so far, see what you can do." |
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* any other comments on topic? any topics after this one? speak up now. |
| 21:29 |
Pro-Panda_ |
remembers announcing myself when I started contributing to Sugar Labs. But I soon realised that its not required. |
| 21:29 |
octamois |
No comments |
| 21:31 |
Quozl_ |
* motion to close meeting, agree with "+1" |
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thanks, it's been a helpful discussion. |
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Pro-Panda_ |
+1 |
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octamois |
+1 |
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yashagrawal3 |
+1 |
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Quozl_ |
walterbender: ? |
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presumably walterbender has been called away by real life. oh well. ;-) |
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#endmeeting |
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meeting |
Meeting ended Tue Mar 27 21:33:01 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
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