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Meeting started Fri Feb 2 20:01:29 2018 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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walterbender |
quick show of hands from SLOBs |
20:02 |
elverma |
Here |
20:02 |
llaske |
+1 |
20:02 |
samsongoddy |
+1 |
20:02 |
walterbender |
OK... we are good to go |
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Sorry for being late |
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Was in an early morning call to India and fell back to sleep |
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#topic #gci |
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Just to wrap up Google Code In. |
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We have our grand prize winners: kipply and euan |
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And our other finalists: sidhat, pipix, and emily |
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1195 students worked on tasks for Sugar Labs this year |
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about 800 completed tasks |
20:05 |
elverma |
Impressive! |
20:05 |
ibiam |
really impressive |
20:05 |
walterbender |
about half of those were beginner tasks: learning to make a pull request, etc. |
20:05 |
llaske |
Yes and there is very good work |
20:05 |
walterbender |
but still. lots of great work and lots of great exposure |
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I was very pleased |
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and very pleased with the mentoring toop |
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we have a nice group of new mentors recruited by Samson |
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and out GSoC interns all helped as well |
20:06 |
GrannieB |
Did some work collaboratively? The number of tasks vs participants indicates they did |
20:07 |
walterbender |
GrannieB, there was lots of collaboration, all informal, as the contest doesn't allow for group projects |
20:07 |
llaske |
I've got few times however task validated without good reason: we must ensure the mentor are able to do task themself |
20:07 |
walterbender |
but the finalists, especially, helped their fellow contestants |
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llaske, given the scale, it didn't happen very much |
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there were a few hiccups in the beginning |
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and when I asked students to revisit, they always did |
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also, a number of the students are still contributing patches :) |
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we are about to land a major piece of work from euan, for example |
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any questions/comments re GCI? |
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Leads into the next topic: GSoC |
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#topic GSoC |
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I applied to Google Summer of Code |
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we should hear back from Google in a few weeks as to if and how many slots we have |
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meanwhile, we have a wiki page with lots of nice project ideas |
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and we can still add more |
20:11 |
llaske |
yes great. Warning however, some tasks are more marketing/design than coding |
20:11 |
walterbender |
#link https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2018 |
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llaske, that is OK... |
20:12 |
ibiam |
there are ideas....doesn't mean they'll be given a slot |
20:12 |
walterbender |
ibiam, +1 |
20:12 |
llaske |
I don't think it's the spirit of GSoC |
20:12 |
walterbender |
llaske, I disagree |
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and I think google would also |
20:13 |
CanoeBerry |
Am following, but apologies am in an in-person meeting simultaneously to this irc mtg. |
20:13 |
walterbender |
All of the tasks are related to FOSS |
20:13 |
llaske |
For example "Updating a new design of Sugarlabs wiki" is more about MediaWiki templating than coding |
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I suggest we prioritize slots on coding tasks |
20:13 |
walterbender |
llaske, I rate that task a very low priority |
20:13 |
GrannieB |
Walter said some time ago that something like a users guide for users/educators could be a GSoC project. Is that true or did I misunderstand? |
20:13 |
walterbender |
but to do it well is to do some style-sheet coding |
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GrannieB, +1 |
20:14 |
llaske |
So we'll need a priority column |
20:14 |
walterbender |
The project is much more than just writing code |
20:15 |
ibiam |
+1 |
20:15 |
walterbender |
and my priority is on the quality of the intern, not the project itself |
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we want to bring good ideas and people into the org. |
20:15 |
llaske |
Same for "Making a marketing animated website page of sugarlabs" |
20:15 |
GrannieB |
If we have lots of beautifully coded Activities but people don't know how to take advantage of all their features it is kind a waste. That is why users guides are as important as Activities. |
20:16 |
walterbender |
llaske, what I would hope is that we find someone very strong to drive a marketing effort this summer |
20:16 |
GrannieB |
What good is a wonderful program if no one knows about it or how to use it? |
20:16 |
walterbender |
GrannieB, +1 |
20:16 |
GrannieB |
Yes, Marketing is extremely important! |
20:17 |
samsongoddy |
I agree too walterbender |
20:17 |
llaske |
I'm fully agree that marketing is important but once again GSoC is a developer program |
20:17 |
samsongoddy |
A lot of projects have been done, but marketing is important to make "people" come in |
20:17 |
walterbender |
in your opinion |
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As I said, I think it is broader than that |
20:17 |
samsongoddy |
llaske, i might be wrong but i saw some noncoding project last year |
20:18 |
walterbender |
and we've treated it more broadly in the past |
20:18 |
llaske |
Google Summer of Code is a global program focused on bringing more student developers into open source software development |
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(said Google) |
20:18 |
ibiam |
and that includes marketing |
20:18 |
walterbender |
and since when is "open source development" only coding? |
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GrannieB |
it should also include documentation for the users |
20:18 |
walterbender |
that is a very narrow read |
20:18 |
samsongoddy |
Yet, other organizations do non-coding tasks |
20:18 |
ibiam |
it's broad |
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llaske |
student developers... |
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(said Google) |
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samsongoddy |
Open Source range from Documentation to Coding to Outreach |
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GrannieB |
+1 |
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walterbender |
frankly, I can write code... but I cannot do many of these other tasks... |
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20:20 |
walterbender |
I am looking for people who do things that I cannot |
20:20 |
carlos |
Hi all, i'm listening in from New Mexico ... just saying hi |
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samsongoddy |
But again, llaske, i get your point. |
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llaske |
"start of coding" |
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(said Google) |
20:21 |
ibiam |
llaske, do you put a lot of work into documentation/marketing/outreach with sugarizer |
20:22 |
llaske |
Sure, but for GSoC, I'm looking for developers |
20:22 |
walterbender |
I am not sure we are going to reach consensus and I am not sure it matters |
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llaske |
+1 |
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walterbender |
let's move on since we are waiting for google in any case |
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#topic sysadmin |
20:23 |
GrannieB |
Because that is what you want to do. I would like to see some users guides and marketing,,, which others might want to do |
20:24 |
walterbender |
good news -- we have a new sysadmin volunteer, MrBIOS |
20:24 |
samsongoddy |
Awesome news |
20:24 |
walterbender |
which is great because Bernie just moved to Japan and has limited availability |
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I am also looking for another volunteer |
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if anyone knows any systems types willing to help out, please bring them to my attention. |
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samsongoddy |
+1, i will look |
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walterbender |
samsongoddy, seems some of the people you found for GCI have the necessary skills... |
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samsongoddy |
Yes |
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walterbender |
but meanwhile, I hope things get unstuck -- as we have a bit of a backlog. |
20:26 |
samsongoddy |
I will reach out to them |
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walterbender |
samsongoddy, thx |
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walterbender |
#topic ombudsman |
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walterbender |
I have been remiss in finding us a new Ombudsman. |
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I have a few ideas, but have not acted on them. |
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I am also receptive to ideas from the community |
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This is an important role, which hopefully is not a lot of work |
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Bert only had to intervene twice in 10 years. |
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sverma, you have enough of a connection to jump into the goals discussion? |
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walterbender |
While we are waiting for sverma, any thoughts on meeting times? It seems 1900 UTC on Fridays is not working very well (nor 2000 UTC) |
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walterbender |
llaske, what works for you? |
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samsongoddy, for you? |
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ibiam |
walterbender, do you have a list of candidates? |
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GrannieB |
If we all used a UTC converter it might work better |
20:31 |
walterbender |
ibiam, I don't want to make it public without talking to the candidates |
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ibiam |
okay |
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llaske |
20h00 UTC is good for me but if it's not for other we could choose another |
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samsongoddy |
The time is good for me |
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walterbender |
CanoeBerry, ? |
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CanoeBerry |
Current Friday timeframe or similar works on this end- |
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walterbender |
I guess this is something easier to decide with a software tool. |
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walterbender |
OK. I'll try to check with Claudia and Sameer |
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any other topics while we wait for Sameer? |
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samsongoddy |
Educator? |
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Role in Sugar Labs? |
20:34 |
walterbender |
samsongoddy, yes... |
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#topic educator |
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Samson recently reminded me that we used to have a position -- never filled -- for the role of educator. |
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looks for the page in the wiki |
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The idea would be to put a renewed emphasis on pedagogy again |
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someone who could relate to teachers and help us with outreach |
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samsongoddy, can you find the page? I cannot |
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GrannieB |
I could see this as ideal for a team effort with some folks like Rosamel, José Miguel, Tony A, etc |
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samsongoddy |
Let me look |
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GrannieB |
Guzman Trinidad is also good |
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ibiam |
in Nigeria we have a few persons too |
20:38 |
samsongoddy |
Yes Henry |
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The Champion of OLPC Nigeria |
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And Schlumberger SEED program |
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Worked with Claudia |
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GrannieB |
Sameer probably has contacts in Jamaica too |
20:39 |
walterbender |
would be great if we got the discussion around education going again... |
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sverma |
Sorry I'm on the train |
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GrannieB |
sure would! |
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sverma |
Connection comes and goes |
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walterbender |
and to do that, I think we need a dedicated champion |
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it won't happen on its own |
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ibiam |
walterbender, someone needs attention re rpi image-gen in #sugar |
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walterbender |
samsongoddy, GrannieB maybe you can put together a proposal, with feedback from Henry, Rosamel, et al? |
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sverma, you there? |
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sverma |
The link for the goals form is on iaep |
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walterbender |
sverma, I didn't look yet... |
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it explains the process too? |
20:43 |
sverma |
Submit your ideas there. We'll try to do a two week+one week gathering session |
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It's fairly simple for now |
20:43 |
carlos |
https://goo.gl/forms/PV3SV8opzBnb1eqw2 is the link |
20:44 |
sverma |
Yes |
20:44 |
walterbender |
sverma, one goal per submission? in case we have multiple goals? |
20:44 |
sverma |
One per submission. Multiple ok |
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I'll clarify that on the form and email |
20:45 |
walterbender |
thx |
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anything else for today? |
20:47 |
sverma |
I have to run. Another meeting. |
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Thx |
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llaske |
Thanks sverma |
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walterbender |
OK. |
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thanks everyone |
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sorry I fell asleep |
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ibiam |
you're forgiven |
20:48 |
llaske |
Thanks walterbender |
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ibiam |
thanks, walterbender, everyone |
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walterbender |
#end-meeting |
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