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Meeting started Fri Sep 1 19:10:08 2017 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting |
| 19:10 |
llaske |
Let's start by GSoC |
| 19:11 |
walterbender |
#topic GSoC summary |
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We had 9 projects (+1 from Outreachy) |
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Coding ended on Monday |
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final mentor evals are due on the 5th |
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By-in-large, it went well |
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a few projects need some final polish, but we got a lot accomplished |
| 19:12 |
llaske |
Both students on Sugarizer have done a very good work |
| 19:12 |
walterbender |
I want to ack. the mentors |
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scg did a great job mentoring the new ASLO which should be on line soon |
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a huge improvement in terms of maintainability |
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works directly from git, so we will keep in synch much more readily |
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we have a new website design that samson mentored |
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that is close to landing too.. just a few test cases to resolve |
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a new Music Blocks manual, which is really comprehensive |
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some new activites |
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samsongoddy <samsongoddy!~androirc 169.159.87.228> has joined #sugar-meeting |
| 19:14 |
kaametza |
hi samsongoddy |
| 19:14 |
walterbender |
and most of the core activities are in GTK3 |
| 19:14 |
samsongoddy |
Hello |
| 19:15 |
walterbender |
all in all, a great summer |
| 19:15 |
llaske |
+1 |
| 19:15 |
walterbender |
FYI, I let Outreachy know that SL would not be participating in the next round. |
| 19:15 |
samsongoddy |
Too bad |
| 19:16 |
CanoeBerry |
How often do Outreachy rounds occur? |
| 19:16 |
kaametza |
walterbender, did you found any reference for how the porject selections was made for outreacy? |
| 19:16 |
walterbender |
Perhaps we can revisit again in the future, but there was little interest from our fellow SLOB members |
| 19:16 |
kaametza |
*project selecyion |
| 19:16 |
walterbender |
kaametza, I haven't had time to look |
| 19:16 |
kaametza |
*selection |
| 19:16 |
walterbender |
but as with GSoC, the project admins handled it with input from the mentors |
| 19:17 |
kaametza |
walterbender, it is important to define and share clear procedures for any program where the Sugar Labs brand is used |
| 19:17 |
walterbender |
anything else re GSOC? |
| 19:17 |
llaske |
Regarding GSoC, we've got 3 invitations for the summit |
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but we've got only 2 people |
| 19:18 |
walterbender |
kaametza, each project has its own set of procedures defined by the proejct |
| 19:18 |
kaametza |
walterbender, not clear please elaborate in the case of outreachy |
| 19:18 |
walterbender |
llaske, I though Michael was going to sign up? |
| 19:18 |
kaametza |
how did the procedure worked? |
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I mean for project selection |
| 19:19 |
walterbender |
kaametza, feel free to read the outreach docs which are linked in the wiki |
| 19:19 |
llaske |
He will do |
| 19:19 |
kaametza |
walterbender, I'm asking you as an administrator od the program |
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*of |
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you made the selction> |
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*selection? |
| 19:20 |
walterbender |
kaametza, we wrote up a description of some project ideas and got dozens of applications and then selected a student, who was mentored by myself, devin and cristina |
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she completed her project |
| 19:20 |
kaametza |
I'm refering to the project selction not the students selection |
| 19:21 |
walterbender |
kaametza, In this case, we had a range of project ideas but the projects come from the students |
| 19:21 |
kaametza |
what was the criteria Sugar Labs used to select Music Blocks? and how and where was the decision documented? |
| 19:21 |
walterbender |
so project and student selection are the same |
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kaametza, as I said earlier, I haven't had time to dig up the discussin thread |
| 19:21 |
llaske |
We had a sheet for project selection |
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And gave evaluation for pair project/students |
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All mentor had done the work |
| 19:22 |
kaametza |
llaske, can you pls share the link - was there a call to the community? |
| 19:22 |
walterbender |
kaametza, I assume from your persistence that you have some procedural issue? |
| 19:23 |
llaske |
I think the sheet didn't still not exist |
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But all mentors have seen it |
| 19:23 |
kaametza |
llaske, sorry I don't understand |
| 19:23 |
icarito |
the question is, who wrote this in the Wiki, and why: "We have a number of projects in mind for the summer of 2017 (see the table below), but for Outreachy, we will be focusing on the Music Block projects." |
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source: https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Outreachy |
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Walter did, https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/ind[…]hy&action=history |
| 19:24 |
kaametza |
selecting the beneficiary program for Outreachy (by the logic of the program) should have been an incluse an open community decision |
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*inclusive |
| 19:24 |
walterbender |
kaametza, believe it or not, when we do programs like GSoC, Outreachy, GCI, etc, we get approval to participatre from SLOB and then let the admins and mentors -- drawn from a call to the community -- make any further decisions |
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if you are suggesting we make all of the decisions at the SLOB level, then I think we are going to be incapable of doing anything |
| 19:25 |
kaametza |
walterbender, I just missed any link or procedure from the program administratots with such a "call to the community" |
| 19:25 |
icarito |
"drawn from a call to the community" +1 we should do more of this |
| 19:26 |
samsongoddy |
I believe we make projects |
| 19:26 |
walterbender |
Are you implying that we did not engage the community around GSoC and Outreachy? |
| 19:26 |
samsongoddy |
Student selects and bring up roposals |
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Mentors select best project and student |
| 19:26 |
kaametza |
walterbender, it is a shame community members missed opportunities because of our lack of capacity to make open calls in the Sugar Labs mailing lists |
| 19:26 |
samsongoddy |
It is that simole |
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*simple |
| 19:26 |
icarito |
samsongoddy, that is true for GSoC |
| 19:26 |
walterbender |
kaametza, that is an unfounded assertion |
| 19:27 |
icarito |
Outreachy had this sign on the wiki page |
| 19:27 |
samsongoddy |
Same idea for Outreachy |
| 19:27 |
icarito |
for no apparent reason |
| 19:27 |
kaametza |
walterbender, I'm talking about Outreachy |
| 19:27 |
walterbender |
icarito, kaametza as I said, it was discussed |
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samsongoddy |
We submit list of projects for outreachy |
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And music blocks was chosen |
| 19:27 |
walterbender |
and as I will now say for the third time, I have not looked for the documentation of the discussion |
| 19:27 |
kaametza |
I did seconded your motion to participate on the program but regret it as I can not understand how the selction could be a private process |
| 19:28 |
walterbender |
kaametza, again, your assertion is unfounded |
| 19:28 |
samsongoddy |
kaametza, i can clear you.. |
| 19:28 |
llaske |
I'm agree that we could do better on project selection for GSoC but at least everything was public on the Wiki |
| 19:28 |
samsongoddy |
What do you don't understand |
| 19:28 |
kaametza |
walterbender, a reference is needed for the Outreachy project selection |
| 19:29 |
walterbender |
llaske, and in emails to the community to invite them to participate |
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and in this forum |
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kaametza, and I will say for the fourth time -- maybe you will hear me this time -- that I have not looked for the discussion thread |
| 19:29 |
kaametza |
llaske, +1 |
| 19:29 |
samsongoddy |
I don't understand why we are arguing |
| 19:29 |
walterbender |
but you assume that therefore I did something ?nefarious in the dark of night |
| 19:30 |
samsongoddy |
I happen to be a mentor too |
| 19:30 |
kaametza |
llaske, documentation is really important and references of everything is a good practice |
| 19:30 |
llaske |
+1 kaametza |
| 19:30 |
icarito |
walterbender, that is very scary projection, please think happy thoughts |
| 19:31 |
kaametza |
samsongoddy, we are not areguing - this a meeting for solving pending issues such as procedures for community's project submissions |
| 19:31 |
llaske |
BTW GSoC and Outreachy is not the same thing. Personally I was not favorable to the Outreachy because of cost that it implied |
| 19:31 |
walterbender |
icarito, I am getting asked the same thing over and over and my answer is not being acknowledged... hard to smile under those circumstances |
| 19:31 |
icarito |
you are not answering how your criteria is not arbitrary, sorry |
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but that doesn't mean anyone is implying nefariousness |
| 19:32 |
kaametza |
llaske, samsongoddy we have many procedures to discuss and stablish so that project's selction is fair and diverse |
| 19:32 |
walterbender |
icarito, I answered that.. I said we discussed it among the mentors and administrators |
| 19:32 |
samsongoddy |
If i am right Gsoc took 9 projects |
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From that list |
| 19:32 |
icarito |
walterbender, it was implied when you said "we" - that's why it was asked to clarify, thanks |
| 19:32 |
samsongoddy |
And we could only fund on project |
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*one |
| 19:33 |
icarito |
Sugar Labs has a policy |
| 19:33 |
kaametza |
#action will follow up on the reference for the 2017 Outreachy project selection |
| 19:33 |
walterbender |
can we move on or do you want me to tell you a fifth time? |
| 19:33 |
kaametza |
#action will propose project call's template for external programs |
| 19:34 |
llaske |
May be we could plan to more document the next program where we could participate Google Code In (november) |
| 19:34 |
kaametza |
walterbender, let's be polite |
| 19:34 |
icarito |
kaametza, I guess meeting bot only listens to chair :-( |
| 19:34 |
walterbender |
#action kaametza will propose project call's template for external programs |
| 19:34 |
icarito |
it would be nice to use meetbot to send a meeting log to the mailing lists |
| 19:35 |
kaametza |
llaske, I volunteer to help out |
| 19:35 |
icarito |
or, meetbot is broken :-/ |
| 19:35 |
kaametza |
walterbender, can you please <kaametza> #action will follow up on the reference for the 2017 Outreachy project selection |
| 19:36 |
walterbender |
#action kaametza will follow up on the reference for the 2017 Outreachy project selection |
| 19:36 |
kaametza |
thx you |
| 19:36 |
walterbender |
#topic GCI |
| 19:36 |
llaske |
kaametza may be you could be co-admin for the future GCI, so you could ensure that everything is clear |
| 19:36 |
kaametza |
llaske, I do have some time constrictions but would be glad to help |
| 19:36 |
walterbender |
we need to (1) agree to participate and (2) get accepted by Google |
| 19:37 |
kaametza |
BTW I do have to run early today, we do have web-programming class :D |
| 19:37 |
walterbender |
maybe we can discuss #1 |
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let's defer GCI then |
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#topic election |
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CanoeBerry |
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/O[…]7-2019-candidates |
| 19:37 |
walterbender |
kaametza, and anyone else on the membership committee. Anything to add? |
| 19:38 |
kaametza |
*Sugar Labs Oversight Board 2017-1019 election update:* |
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Elections are already taking place |
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<https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/[…]7-2019-candidates>.and |
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candidates have started publishing their wiki entries. |
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Second call for candidates has been translated and it has been distributed |
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to Sugar Labs supported mailing lists (1 day of delay from election's |
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calendar because we made it available in 2 languages: Castellano and |
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English) . |
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Any question related to elections can be made openly to members AT |
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sugarlabs DOT org cc to the IAEP list for all candidates to have equal |
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access to it. |
| 19:38 |
llaske |
Thanks for this kaametza |
| 19:39 |
CanoeBerry |
Can we get a reminder of who is on the election committee? (Tough work indeed!) |
| 19:39 |
kaametza |
llaske, looking forward for many great candidates! |
| 19:39 |
walterbender |
CanoeBerry, as far as I know, it is the membership committee and presumably kaametza as the SLOB rep? |
| 19:39 |
kaametza |
samsongoddy, ignacio and kaametza |
| 19:40 |
walterbender |
kaametza, in the spirit of your passion for process and documentation, were you ever formally appointed as the liaison? |
| 19:40 |
CanoeBerry |
Thanks to all 3. |
| 19:40 |
walterbender |
if not, can we do it now? |
| 19:40 |
CanoeBerry |
For all 3? |
| 19:40 |
kaametza |
walterbender, yes we had two votes on favor |
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Samson's and I, if SLOBs requires I can share the email |
| 19:42 |
walterbender |
any chance we can get a few non-SLOB members on the committee? |
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seems a bit of an inside job |
| 19:42 |
samsongoddy |
Yes |
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I said ibiam |
| 19:42 |
walterbender |
+1 |
| 19:42 |
samsongoddy |
Ibiam have been showing interest |
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But we need to agree on that |
| 19:42 |
CanoeBerry |
Also, was there a decision yet on the deadline to register to vote? |
| 19:43 |
samsongoddy |
I am going to inform ibiam about it |
| 19:43 |
kaametza |
CanoeBerry, Committe have not been able to decide on that yet |
| 19:44 |
CanoeBerry |
When will the committee decide? |
| 19:45 |
kaametza |
CanoeBerry, at this point I ask the board - I can continue supporting the membership requests |
| 19:46 |
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I proposed Sep 30 |
| 19:46 |
samsongoddy |
We should extend it |
| 19:46 |
CanoeBerry |
Time zones start to matter (annoyingly) so it might be wise to have 24+h separation before the election itself starts. |
| 19:46 |
kaametza |
to the Commiitte on our latest email-meeting I shared with the board |
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samsongoddy, election period is Oct 1 - 15 |
| 19:47 |
CanoeBerry |
Ballots need to be issued methodically, not rushed madly/chaotically at midnight :) |
| 19:47 |
kaametza |
CanoeBerry, +1 ideal 3 days to document with time |
| 19:48 |
samsongoddy |
Some members are not on the list |
| 19:48 |
kaametza |
CanoeBerry, Sep 27 sounds better? |
| 19:48 |
samsongoddy |
We should get them first |
| 19:49 |
kaametza |
samsongoddy, re-send any pendig request to members - we have processed 5 reauqest during July - August |
| 19:49 |
CanoeBerry |
If Election/Membership committee can handle getting ballots fully organized in those ~3 days, great. |
| 19:50 |
kaametza |
*requests |
| 19:50 |
CanoeBerry |
Do specify a time zone if poss, whoever decides this deadline to register to vote. |
| 19:50 |
samsongoddy |
Kaametza we should extend the dates for membership registration |
| 19:50 |
kaametza |
ignacio, ping |
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samsongoddy, the date needs to be before the election - I don't understand what you mean |
| 19:51 |
samsongoddy |
Alright thanks |
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I was little confuse |
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Kaametza, we need a non-slob to be in the community |
| 19:52 |
kaametza |
CanoeBerry, I do have to run at 3 sharp so if no objection #action will communicate deadline Sep 27 to community |
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samsongoddy |
Ibiam showed interest |
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And i believe we should decide it now |
| 19:53 |
walterbender |
samsongoddy, the committee need not ask SLOB approval for things like that |
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just inform SLOB about status |
| 19:53 |
CanoeBerry |
kaametza: samsongoddy: thanks for doing this very hard work fo running an election, and seeking new blood (Ibiam etc) where poss. Plz do specify the time zone of whatever deadlines you pick and post @ http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/O[…]7-2019-candidates |
| 19:53 |
kaametza |
samsongoddy, please post a Motion |
| 19:54 |
samsongoddy |
I will via email |
| 19:54 |
kaametza |
thx! |
| 19:55 |
samsongoddy |
I will make call for register via Social media too |
| 19:55 |
kaametza |
hope you liked the colors of the call :D |
| 19:55 |
samsongoddy |
Yeah |
| 19:55 |
CanoeBerry |
kaametza: Thanks indeed for the election promotion. |
| 19:55 |
kaametza |
feel free to share the attached files on SM |
| 19:55 |
samsongoddy |
+1 |
| 19:56 |
kaametza |
CanoeBerry, lots of details! |
| 19:57 |
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CanoeBerry, I'll communicate the 27 Sep deadline and underline the wiki entry requirement |
| 19:57 |
samsongoddy |
Thanks CanoeBerry |
| 19:57 |
CanoeBerry |
walterbender & all: Are there essential GCI issues we need to squeeze in during our final 2 min? |
| 19:58 |
walterbender |
CanoeBerry, nope... |
| 19:58 |
samsongoddy |
I like the Idea of GCI.. no reason not compete this year |
| 19:58 |
llaske |
+1 |
| 19:58 |
walterbender |
CanoeBerry, I would like to do it again this year |
| 19:58 |
CanoeBerry |
Sounds great if we can. |
| 19:59 |
samsongoddy |
+1 |
| 19:59 |
walterbender |
but apparently we are going to have a new process for such things that kaametza is going to draft |
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so no point in trying to discuss it now |
| 19:59 |
kaametza |
walterbender, :D |
| 19:59 |
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nice weekend to all |
| 20:00 |
llaske |
Thanks, nice weekend to you too |
| 20:00 |
walterbender |
OK... |
| 20:00 |
CanoeBerry |
Thanks walterbender for running this meeting. And kaametza for keeping the election on track with her membership/elections team. |
| 20:00 |
walterbender |
thx all |
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#end-meeting |
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