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Meeting started Mon Jun 19 14:01:42 2017 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting |
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walterbender |
Tabs16, wanna give everyone an update? |
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Tabs16 |
sure walterbender |
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I am currently working on the design of timbre widget |
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done with close and drag feature and the default lookout too |
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also made the design for ADSR envelope |
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right now I have been making visually appealing sliders |
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which is almost done |
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I am planning to include an ADSR graph too for envelope |
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walterbender |
Tabs16, /me curious to see what a "visually appealing slider" looks like :) |
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Tabs16 |
but once I make the basic design for everyone |
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walterbender: the default slider which html provides is very simple plus its not ompatible too |
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walterbender |
Tabs16, would be good to not over design before coding/experiencing some of he components |
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pragr07 |
hi walterbender, hi Tabs16 |
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Tabs16 |
walterbender: the range input is needed |
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and for it to work properly , it should be good on various browsers too, anyway I have made it compatible |
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walterbender: yes , that's why I am focusing on basic and necessary inputs |
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walterbender |
Tabs16, what are your goals for this week? |
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Tabs16 |
but html css can be time consuming at time |
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Tabs16 |
walterbender: to finish the basics for all five components |
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pragr07: hi |
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pikurasa |
Tabs16: I think walter is saying we can start with a simple UI, but one that is functional |
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Tabs16 |
walterbender: pikurasa I am thinking instead of making the Ui for all |
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maybe i can do UI + functional for each simulataneously |
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Tabs16 |
it will be a better approach right |
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? |
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walterbender |
I'd rather see you get each component up and running sequentially |
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so we can work with you and give feedback |
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waiting for all five to be done is going to be very risky |
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pikurasa |
is getting JSON errors with newest MB code... will send logs |
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Tabs16 |
since I have started with envelope , i will get that running first |
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walterbender |
+1 |
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Tabs16 |
need to get prachi's new code too for the envelope |
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walterbender |
Tabs16, we can watch the parameters from the widget even without pragr07 's code running |
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pragr07 |
walterbender, I have committed my code for Synth function |
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walterbender |
pragr07, nice |
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pragr07 |
Its in the "Synth-code" branch in my forked repo |
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walterbender |
wanna let everyone know what you ahve been up to? |
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Tabs16 |
i think I have done that |
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walterbender |
Tabs16, thanks for the update |
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pikurasa |
pragr07: I did fetch your latest code, but seem to be having trouble running latest version of (everyone's) code b/c of some JSON error |
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(otherwise, I would test it out) |
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pragr07 |
pikurasa: i haven't tested the code yet |
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actually it requires the necessary "timbre" widget |
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to test it |
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actualy both "set-timbre" and "timbre" widgets are required |
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pragr07 |
walterbender: I have rewritten the synth code |
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Tabs16 |
pragr07: can you share the link? |
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pragr07 |
I have created a global object "intruments" |
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walterbender |
pragr07, there are not some defaults that can be used without set_timbre? |
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pragr07, +1 for the instruments obj |
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pragr07, I will review your code today |
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pragr07 |
Tabs16: https://github.com/prachiagraw[…]ommits/Synth-code |
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walterbender: there is an issue with the tcode that i have written |
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actually |
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I as i mentioned i am storing the created timbres in the "instruments" object |
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so if the user wants to access the timbre |
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only the name of the timbre would be sufficient |
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there won't be any specification as of whether the oscillator type is "sine" or something else |
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but inside the trigger function |
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walterbender |
pragr07, that is fine, as long as we can, for example, create an instrument which is simply a sinewave |
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pragr07 |
the "notes" seems to vary as per the "source" |
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walterbender |
pragr07, not sure what you mean |
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pikurasa |
pragr07: are you referring to the music blocks language source? Or the actual JS code source? or something else? |
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pragr07 |
like for the voice samples, |
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pikurasa: JS code source |
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walterbender |
pragr07, maybe we can discuss these details after the meeting |
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pragr07 |
walterbender: yes so for the voice samples, the 'pitchtonumber' menthod is being used |
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walterbender |
we should let some others chime in |
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pragr07 |
walterbender: ok |
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walterbender |
jatindhankhar, ? |
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zeecoder_ |
Hi everyone sorry for being late |
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jatindhankhar |
Yes |
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walterbender |
jatindhankhar, what have you been up to? |
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jatindhankhar |
This weekend I looked on how we can support multiple releases |
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When user visits ASLO ideally he would see the latest release of a activity and would download it |
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And a more download option to download older releases |
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I am working on backend along with Frontend. |
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walterbender |
jatindhankhar, is there some mechanism for detecting the version of Sugar requesting a release? |
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jatindhankhar |
Also worked on safeguarding code on some occasions like when a new release is made by the developer but if version is not bumped we abort building. There are many things that can be done to make ASLO simple |
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walterbender |
+1 |
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what is in store for this week? |
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jatindhankhar |
For now I aim to make a bare bones model that can be used and gradually fix up minor bugs and improve UI |
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walterbender |
sounds like a good plan |
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JatinD[noreply], any roadblocks we can help with? |
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walterbender |
we lost him :P |
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Rishabh42, wanna give your updaye? |
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Rishabh42 |
walterbender, sure... |
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HrishiP |
walterbender : will upload the latest build on GDRIVE |
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JatinD[noreply] |
Sorry got disconnected |
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ISP issue |
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I think I can handle it for now :) |
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Will ask for help if I am stuck somewhere |
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Scg and I have a check list that we follow |
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Rishabh42 |
We fixed the errors with debootstrap and one more which crept in after the debootstrap one(credits: HrishiP ) and I just built an image with Sugar, which I am testing right now |
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walterbender, ^^ |
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JatinD[noreply] |
walterbender: is that it ? |
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walterbender |
JatinD[noreply], yes. thanks |
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JatinD[noreply] |
walterbender: :) |
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walterbender |
Rishabh42, is the the same image HrishiP will be uploading? |
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Rishabh42 |
probably, yes |
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HrishiP |
walterbender : Yes. I have a slower processor. |
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Rishabh42 |
HrishiP, I can upload the image if you want |
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HrishiP |
Rishabh42 : I already started :) |
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Rishabh42 |
HrishiP, okay :) |
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HrishiP |
It's 413MB accurately, we are having a problem now. Which is kinda serios walterbender |
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Rishabh42 |
^^+1 |
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walterbender |
HrishiP, problem uploading or problem with the image itself? |
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HrishiP |
walterbender : Sugar starts, asks for age, gender, else, but after that it doesn't start the desktop |
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Okay, Rishabh42 : you can upload the image now. ETA here is 3hr 31mins haha |
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walterbender |
HrishiP, maybe we can look at the logs after the meeting |
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Rishabh42 |
HrishiP, okay, I'll help you save your bandwidth ;-) |
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walterbender |
Rishabh42, thanks for the update |
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Rishabh42 |
walterbender, my pleasure :) |
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HrishiP |
walterbender : will discuss about it at #sugar |
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Rishabh42 : unlimited bandwidth |
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walterbender |
raphael_, can you please give us an update? |
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Raphaelt[m] |
Yes |
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Rishabh42 |
walterbender, needed some time to write a detailed blog post regarding this, will start today |
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walterbender |
Rishabh42, +1 |
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Raphaelt[m], ??? |
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Raphaelt[m] |
So, last week I have been working on the creation of instruction. It's a list of instruction like install apk, pushing file, ... With this list, that will create an archive with all the apk, file,... We can shared this archive and execute it with the software |
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My internet is a little slow right now, doesn't know why |
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And right now I working on the loading of this archive |
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walterbender |
Raphaelt[m], who is the audience for these instructions? |
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Raphaelt[m] |
On my blog there is a video of the creation of the archive, it's not finish, I will add more instruction |
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Raphaelt[m] |
Teacher |
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The teacher himself can built his instruction |
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Raphaelt[m] |
And pass it to other teacher |
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walterbender |
Raphaelt[m], ambitious |
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Raphaelt[m] |
And that about it |
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walterbender |
Raphaelt[m], thanks. |
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any comments from llaske or mohayon ? |
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HrishiP |
Seetarama is here? |
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Seetarama |
yes Hrishi! |
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mohayon |
Raphael is very dedicated to the project :-) That is very nice |
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walterbender |
yes |
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thanks Raphaelt[m] |
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llaske |
It's a begining but I'm confident, there is no technical limitation for the moment |
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walterbender |
Sanjay, do you have an update? |
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Sanjay |
Yes. |
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We have made our first game prototype. Tony shall be helping me in reviewing it and after the discussion, we will make the fixes and follow to implement other tricks in the same way. Other thing, to decide on how to appropriately teach the kids to learn the tricks needs to be discussed. The GitHub repo: https://github.com/SanjayKumarr/MindMath Blog post explaining the first trick implemented: https://sanjaykumarap.blogspot.in/2017/06/ |
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And also, |
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For the coming week, We will define ways to implement "learn the trick" part after the discussion. With that we shall be able to quickly add as many math tricks as we want and move to other sections of the game. |
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walterbender |
Sanjay, I will explore your app and give your feedback |
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HrishiP |
Sanjay, can u setup GH pages? |
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llaske |
Sanjay, it could be nice to "Sugarized" the prototype |
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means, using sugar-web |
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so it could works both on Sugar and Sugarizer |
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HrishiP |
Would like to see chnages live |
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llaske |
You should do that now, it will be tricky later |
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Sanjay |
I have setup a gh page. But the recent changes aren't in it. I will make sure to push it. But you can see the very initial game there. https://sanjaykumarr.github.io/MindMath/ |
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walterbender |
Sanjay, and you should consider internationalization now as well |
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tony37 |
Llaske I think he should get the app working. Folding it into sugar-web is straightforward. |
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HrishiP |
Sanjay, strange, it didn't show in REPOS |
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tony37 |
Walter - do we have an accepted approach? |
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walterbender |
tony37, it does impact some UI issues |
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tony37, I'm still emulating gettext and using PO files |
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not ideal, but it is compatible with the rest of Sugar |
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tony37 |
Do you mean POT? |
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jatindhankhar |
walterbender: Soory for interrupting. Going through the logs I realized I didn't answer your question " is there some mechanism for detecting the version of Sugar requesting a release?". Yes, maybe, there was some discussion on mailing list few weeks ago regarding this. We can rely on User agents to check for it but even if we achieve to find Sugar version of the user, it would not be much useful until all activities |
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provide min, supported version of sugar inside activity.info. If we can achieve this then we can show only supported (by the system) activities to a user. |
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llaske |
I've worked with Chris on webl10n.js compatibility |
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walterbender |
tony37, yes POT and POs both |
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llaske |
so it's possible to use webl10n .INI file and convert it to PO for Pootle |
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walterbender |
llaske, I do the opposite |
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tony37 |
Walter - who does the translating for the PO files? |
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walterbender |
but I also use webi18n.js |
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llaske |
Yes but the result is the same ? :-) |
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walterbender |
llaske, I guess... I find it easier to maintain individual PO files and generate a common .INI file |
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Sanjay |
I request tony37 to give me some idea about this or place to know more about the current discussion, after the meeting. |
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walterbender |
Sanjay, +1 |
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tarunsinghal92, can you please give us an update? |
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tarunsinghal92 |
walterbender, sure |
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tony37 |
Sanjay - I would prefer you keep focused on basic funtionality. We have time to address these other issues. |
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tarunsinghal92 |
I have completed all the API related changes and sent the PR for testing. Some details are on the latest blog 3 & 4. |
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llaske |
Sure walterbender but I guess it will be easy to maintain INI file for a JavaScript developer. So with that we cover both JavaScript and Python developers |
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tarunsinghal92 |
I would need couple of days to complete the documentation for the same. |
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Immediately after docs, I will start working on mock-ups for the dashboard. |
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Sanjay |
Sure. tony37. Thanks |
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walterbender |
llaske, I am less concerned about the JS developers than the translators, who tend to need more hand-holding |
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llaske |
I hope that it will change nothing for translators that the file come from INI or from PO |
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Rishabh42 |
HrishiP, uploading, 3 mins left ;-) |
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llaske |
tarunsinghal92, you could add that our objective is to achieve the API part before the first evaluation |
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tarunsinghal92 |
yes, I think we are already on track of it |
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walterbender |
llaske, I guess I am showing my ignorance since I thought INI files had much less info than PO files, e.g.. translator notes, line numbers, etc. |
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llaske |
Nice ! |
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walterbender |
tarunsinghal92, sounds like good progress |
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tarunsinghal92 |
thanks walterbender |
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llaske |
No, you're right on this point walterbender |
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walterbender |
llaske, this was why I took the opposite approach |
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so I could offer those hints to the translators directly from the JS |
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but I am willing to learn |
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llaske |
BTW not related to GSoC but FYI I'm working on port the last TurtleBlockJS version into Sugarizer. Good result for the moment with few update. I will PR you in few days |
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walterbender |
llaske, thx |
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zeecoder, can you please give an update? |
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zeecoder |
sure |
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I have completed the Gtk and Gst porting of TurtleArt and DotsAndBoxes. I am working on slider-puzzle-branch and classroom broadcast. |
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walterbender |
zeecoder, great |
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zeecoder |
In these activities I require to port the activities to cairo |
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walterbender |
zeecoder, did we remove the abiword dependency in slider puzzle? |
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thinks we did but does not recall |
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zeecoder |
I was going through some cairopango tutorials. Beacuse in the turtleart the port was straightforward I didnt need to port it to cairo it was already done. |
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No I havent gone thorugh it. |
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tony37 |
zeecoder - I believe classroom broadcast and classroom viewer are a matched set. |
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walterbender |
zeecoder, I'd think those use VNC |
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zeecoder, if you do bump up against an abiword dependency, please let me know |
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zeecoder |
I will go through it. |
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walterbender |
easy workaround we've done for some of the related Apps. |
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tony37 |
walterbender if 'those' means the two activities - I believe they are based on collaboration |
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walterbender |
zeecoder, the Turtle port is really solid. Thx for that |
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tony37, Oh. makes sense. |
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zeecoder |
Your welcome :) |
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walterbender |
tony37, then we'll want to use Sam's collaboration wrapper in the port |
| 15:06 |
zeecoder |
tony, I believe classroom broadcast and classroom viewer are a matched set ? |
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walterbender |
easier to maintain |
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tony37 |
+1 |
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walterbender |
zeecoder, you "broadcast" to the "viewer" :) |
| 15:07 |
zeecoder |
Ok. |
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Rishabh42 |
walterbender, here's the link of the image: https://drive.google.com/file/[…]/view?usp=sharing |
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walterbender |
Rishabh42, downloading |
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Seetarama, I think you are the last one for today? |
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Seetarama |
haha :) |
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walterbender |
will try to go roughly reverse ABC order next week :) |
| 15:09 |
Seetarama |
walterbender: worked on the following: 1.Added 3 new pages - "about us","contact us","inquiry". 2.changes suggested by mentors. 3.added more content. 4.Started working on the optimization of the website. 5.Started the testing of the website. The main concentration for the next will be: 1.Adding more content 2.Adding new pages 3.optimization of website 4.testing of website 5.documentation 6.code clean up |
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walterbender |
Seetarama, do you have any response to quozl's email? |
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walterbender |
can we get the size and compuational load reduced? |
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HrishiP |
Seetarama: discussed about your doubt with tony? |
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Seetarama |
i will need to have a discussion tomorrow during our mentor-student meeting tomorrow regading quozl's so that's why I haven't replied yet |
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Seetarama |
Yes HrishiP, just saw the mail sent by Tony explaining my doubts clearly |
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Thanks tony37 |
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tony37 |
Seetarama - Your welcome |
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Seetarama |
+1 :) |
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walterbender |
Seetarama, OK |
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It is really important that we keep things small and clean |
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at the core of the pages at least |
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tarunsinghal92 has quit IRC |
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Seetarama |
wlaterbender: that's I am trying to reuse the existing design elements as much as possible so that we are not over designing the website |
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walterbender |
Seetarama, +1 |
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Seetarama |
thanks for the suggestion walterbender |
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walterbender |
Seetarama, I'll try to catch at least some of tomorrow's discussion |
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anything else for today? |
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Seetarama |
+1 walterbender |
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walterbender |
thanks everyone for the updates and the hard work |
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Seetarama |
+1 |
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walterbender |
#end-meeting |
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