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meeting |
Meeting started Fri Jan 6 19:07:40 2017 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting |
| 19:07 |
walterbender |
#topic GCI |
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Just a quick GCI update |
| 19:09 |
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282 student have done at least one task |
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and we have a number of really strong students this year |
| 19:09 |
ignacio |
Hi |
| 19:09 |
samsongoddy |
wow |
| 19:09 |
walterbender |
some great new activities |
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lots of bugs fixed |
| 19:10 |
Ifeanyimatthew |
Nice |
| 19:10 |
walterbender |
some big improvements to documentation |
| 19:10 |
meeting |
<Jose_Miguel-es> Excellent! |
| 19:10 |
walterbender |
and, for example, we are about to land a performance boost to Turtle JS 10-100x depending on complexity |
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generally awesome |
| 19:11 |
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it will be hard to pick just two among the top 10 |
| 19:11 |
Ifeanyimatthew |
Superb upgrade this year in GCI |
| 19:11 |
walterbender |
and a few who won't make top ten are worthy of consideration too |
| 19:11 |
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One more week |
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walterbender |
I should also mention we have had a great team of mentors |
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the IRC channel has been manned 24/7 |
| 19:12 |
Ifeanyimatthew |
Ya because most participants deal with harder tasks |
| 19:12 |
samsongoddy |
awesome |
| 19:13 |
CanoeBerry |
Hi |
| 19:13 |
walterbender |
hi adam |
| 19:13 |
samsongoddy |
hello adam |
| 19:13 |
CanoeBerry |
Hi Walter, Samson, All |
| 19:13 |
walterbender |
next topic, now that we have a quorum |
| 19:13 |
TymonR |
Hello |
| 19:13 |
walterbender |
#topic Turtle Art Day expenses |
| 19:13 |
Ifeanyimatthew |
Hi |
| 19:13 |
meeting |
<Jose_Miguel-es> Hello! |
| 19:14 |
samsongoddy |
Yes |
| 19:14 |
walterbender |
last year we approved a motion for TA Day expenses as follows: |
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Paraguay ~1K US |
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Uruguay ~2K US |
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Nigeria ~4K US |
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Paraguay was around 1.5K US |
| 19:15 |
samsongoddy |
So this year we are going to throw two TA day in Nigeria |
| 19:15 |
walterbender |
and Uruguay was ~0.5K US |
| 19:15 |
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we did not end up doing the Nigeria event |
| 19:16 |
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We will propose a separate budget for Nigeria in Q1 |
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but I want to get approval for going over budget on PY |
| 19:16 |
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CanoeBerry, can you phrase a motion that would satisfy you and SFC? |
| 19:18 |
Ifeanyimatthew |
Yes, I support revising the budget since it is the first time in Nigeria it should be a memorable event |
| 19:18 |
walterbender |
Ifeanyimatthew, samsongoddy and I need to prepare a detailed budget proposal |
| 19:18 |
samsongoddy |
and it will be in two cities, Lagos and Port Harcourt |
| 19:19 |
walterbender |
I want to wrap up last year's expenses right now since we didn't quite match what we had expected |
| 19:19 |
ignacio |
there are that many users in Nigeria? (I really don't know) |
| 19:19 |
samsongoddy |
yes |
| 19:19 |
walterbender |
ignacio, the goal is to get new users there |
| 19:19 |
Ifeanyimatthew |
Perfect destinations Samson because of the population |
| 19:19 |
ignacio |
walterbender, but two cities seems to be a lot |
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samsongoddy |
over 1500 pontential users in the Niger Delta region |
| 19:20 |
walterbender |
ignacio, we just did 6 cities in UY :) |
| 19:20 |
samsongoddy |
Nigeria is a big place ignacio |
| 19:20 |
ignacio |
walterbender, you can justify it by saying "we have the xos, and the students" |
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samsongoddy, awesome |
| 19:20 |
samsongoddy |
So Port Harcourt will cover existing sugar users and also get new ones |
| 19:21 |
Ifeanyimatthew |
Ignacio, we need more users particularly in the cities mentioned |
| 19:21 |
walterbender |
back to PY for a second: |
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from the discussion between Karen, Adam, and myself regarding Artemis Papert's ticket: |
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While retroactive approvals are never desirable, it sounds like it'd be better to vote on the $1387.78 during our meeting this week (Friday) since we don't want to establish a precedent of violating SFConservancy's requirement that flights/rail be purchased 14+ days in advance. |
| 19:22 |
CanoeBerry |
Yes, let's vote on exceptions, so we do not violate SFConservancy's rules. |
| 19:22 |
walterbender |
CanoeBerry, can you make the motion? |
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| 19:25 |
tony37 |
This motion applies only to Paraguay? When is that scheduled? More than 14 days from now? |
| 19:26 |
walterbender |
tony37, this is in regard to MOTION 2016-43 |
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llaske |
sorry I'm late |
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| 19:26 |
walterbender |
we approved $1000 K and we spend $1387.78 |
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the other issue is that the ticket was not issued 14 days in advance |
| 19:26 |
tony37 |
Sorry, I don't remember that one |
| 19:27 |
ifeanyimatthew |
I am back got cut off a bit |
| 19:27 |
llaske |
sorry I'm late |
| 19:27 |
walterbender |
so we need to approve an exception |
| 19:27 |
tony37 |
So we are making a motion to approve expenses for a trip that has already taken place? |
| 19:27 |
walterbender |
tony37, yes |
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tony37, a bit of back ground |
| 19:28 |
tony37 |
OK, I guess I was confused by the 14 day in advance requirement |
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meeting |
<Jose_Miguel-es> To approve an increase of the cost that already was decided... |
| 19:28 |
walterbender |
yes |
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and to approve an exception to the 14 Day Rule |
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it was due to last minute schedule changes |
| 19:28 |
tony37 |
Sounds reasonable |
| 19:29 |
walterbender |
and the cost was because it was impractical to make a connection through the US |
| 19:29 |
meeting |
<Jose_Miguel-es> +1 for my. |
| 19:29 |
walterbender |
the bottom line is that the cost of the event was probably close to 5K US but we got others to cover the rest of the expenses, including my flight and all of pour loidging and meals |
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so it seems reasonable to me too. |
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but we need a motion |
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I guess I can make it |
| 19:30 |
ifeanyimatthew |
Here too |
| 19:30 |
tony37 |
Does this require the Finance Manager? |
| 19:31 |
walterbender |
It requires a motion from SLOB |
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I was hoping Adam would make it as per our discussion with Karen, but he has gone silent |
| 19:32 |
tony37 |
I move that the Board approve the expenses associated with the Paraguay TA day and the exception to the advance purchase policy. |
| 19:32 |
walterbender |
seconded |
| 19:32 |
tony37 |
+1 on the motion |
| 19:32 |
walterbender |
+1 |
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meeting |
<Jose_Miguel-es> +1 |
| 19:33 |
ifeanyimatthew |
+1 |
| 19:33 |
llaske |
+1 |
| 19:33 |
walterbender |
OK. Motion passes. Thank you. |
| 19:33 |
CanoeBerry |
Couple Asides: yes there several flights flights for less than $1000K, but the speaker (Artemis Papert) does not like to make connections thru the US for her own personal reasons. I think we need to emphasize that we'd be making a couple exceptions here. In my opinion, we should spread flight money widely, with vry cheap flights, wherever possible. Not to cry over spilt milk but we can |
| 19:33 |
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do better on several of these fronts, one more: Artemis Papert's report really should be publicly published, is this ok? |
| 19:34 |
walterbender |
CanoeBerry, it is fine to publish her report |
| 19:34 |
CanoeBerry |
Particularly with this being a Turtle Art grant that specified such reporting be published. |
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I can paste it in here, ok. |
| 19:34 |
tony37 |
Would it be possible to get a financial report with the starting balance for the period, expenses during the period, and closing balance? |
| 19:35 |
CanoeBerry |
tony37: i'm doing a rough version of this as we speak. |
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tony37: 1st pass says we (Sugar Labs) have "81,000.84" at the moment |
| 19:35 |
walterbender |
CanoeBerry, personally, I think think the rationale for saving 10s of hours in travel time by avoiding a US connection for a non-citizen is more general than a "personal issue" |
| 19:36 |
ifeanyimatthew |
I think CanoeBerry and tony37 are right, for documentation purposes at least |
| 19:36 |
walterbender |
and I would recommend that the SFC rules take travel time into consideration |
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but that is for another day |
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ignacio |
Does that means that if I would like to only travel in first class, you would take that in consideration? |
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Not to be rude, but sounds stupid. |
| 19:37 |
walterbender |
ignacio, I don't think 1st class gets you there sooner |
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so no. |
| 19:37 |
meeting |
<Jose_Miguel-es> Time of trip is not the same that comfort of trip |
| 19:37 |
ignacio |
What I mean is the cost |
| 19:37 |
tony37 |
As I understand this these were expenses already made. Adam Holt has been named Financial Manager and all future expenses must be submitted to the Board by him. So this won't happen again. |
| 19:37 |
walterbender |
ignacio, typically 1st class is 5-10x as expensive |
| 19:37 |
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we are talking 10% more expensive |
| 19:38 |
CanoeBerry |
I've seen too many inflated flight costs cross the transoms. In an era where one can fly roundtrip to most continents for $500. But yes, bygones should be bygones -- and some VIP's requird finicky flights, this is the real world. |
| 19:38 |
kaametza |
tony37, +1 hi all! |
| 19:38 |
ignacio |
anyway, it's just money I guess. |
| 19:38 |
walterbender |
CanoeBerry, I am happy to let you find/book my flights going forward |
| 19:38 |
CanoeBerry |
+1 |
| 19:39 |
walterbender |
shall we move on? |
| 19:39 |
CanoeBerry |
SFConservancy does a decent job guiding all, not easy to run a travel agency for sure, as there are so many hidden deals. |
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Yes, let's move on. I'll paste in her report. |
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tony37 |
Do we need to take any action re the proposed Nigeria TA days? |
| 19:40 |
walterbender |
there are not enough details yet to take any action |
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we will present details as soon as we have them |
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#topic mission statement |
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walterbender |
motion: "Sugar is a learning platform based on the constructionist educational principles of Jean Piaget, Seymour Papert, Cynthia Solomon, and Alan Kay. Sugar Labs is responsible to develop, distribute, and support Sugar with the help of a global volunteer community of contributors. Sugar Labs provides Sugar in two forms: Sugar for personal computers and XOs and Sugarizer (Sugar Mobile) for mobile devices and the W |
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eb." |
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tony37 |
second |
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walterbender |
+1 |
| 19:42 |
llaske |
+1 |
| 19:42 |
tony37 |
+1 on the motion |
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CanoeBerry |
+1 |
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walterbender |
:) |
| 19:42 |
ifeanyimatthew |
+1 |
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meeting |
<Jose_Miguel-es> +1 |
| 19:42 |
walterbender |
tony37, llaske when we post this text in the wiki, lets add links to download and sugarizer |
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hurrah... we have a mission statement again!!! |
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tony37, thanks for keeping this alive |
| 19:43 |
tony37 |
Agreed, plus let's get download to make it easy for new user's to install Sugar on systems other than XO |
| 19:44 |
walterbender |
+1 |
| 19:44 |
tony37 |
Laske - congratulations on your 0.8 release |
| 19:44 |
kaametza |
please share links with the community with the constructionist educational principles of Jean Piaget, Seymour Papert, Cynthia Solomon, and Alan Kay |
| 19:44 |
CanoeBerry |
llaaske: +0.8 |
| 19:44 |
ifeanyimatthew |
Agreed +1 |
| 19:44 |
llaske |
thanks Tony38 |
| 19:44 |
kaametza |
thank you in advance :D |
| 19:44 |
walterbender |
yes... we should have Sugarizer 0.8 in the official record |
| 19:44 |
CanoeBerry |
llaske: +0.8 |
| 19:44 |
llaske |
thanks all |
| 19:44 |
walterbender |
my last topic: |
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#topic election |
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Motion: |
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"To appoint volunteers Ignacio Rodriguez, Samson Goddoy and Laura Vargas as the new elections and membership committee, with the purpose of debugging current membership list and running the 2016's elections for the 3 seats at the Board available for the 2016-2018 period and to appoint Dave Crossland as an impartial election oversight party." |
| 19:45 |
llaske |
nice to see the gsoc and gci contribution inside |
| 19:45 |
TymonR |
congrats llaske! |
| 19:45 |
tony37 |
Do these volunteers qualify to run for a position on the Board? |
| 19:46 |
CanoeBerry |
walterbender: do we need to amend this such that IR, SG, LV don't face conflict of interest (and safeguards against such conflicts, as they structure their own election?) |
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walterbender |
tony37, I think so |
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I think as long as they don't actually run the election itself it is OK |
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CanoeBerry |
tony37: are you running? |
| 19:46 |
tony37 |
No |
| 19:46 |
CanoeBerry |
Ok, I had not realized. Thanks for your service. |
| 19:48 |
ifeanyimatthew |
I think it is the 3 candidates are and I would recommend them as well |
| 19:48 |
CanoeBerry |
Small typo above: Goddoy -> Goddy |
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| 19:48 |
walterbender |
CanoeBerry, I defer to you re wording. I tend to trust people are not trying to scam us |
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| 19:49 |
kaametza |
CanoeBerry, the motion points Dave Crossland as an impartial election oversight party |
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samson |
what did i miss! |
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i saw scam us? who is trying to scam us. |
| 19:49 |
kaametza |
after all he is the Secretary :D |
| 19:49 |
CanoeBerry |
There was deep tension last year..if an election is later needed (if a 4th and/or 5th candidate arise) we should have transparency on how the election is structured. |
| 19:49 |
kaametza |
+1 totally agree |
| 19:50 |
CanoeBerry |
It got ugly last year, so better to avoid a mess. |
| 19:50 |
TymonR |
samson, there you have a log - http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]etings/2017-01-06 |
| 19:51 |
CanoeBerry |
Anyway IR,SG,LV andtheir service should be honored, and their right to run for office, so long as election traditions are honored and very transparent, let's support them. |
| 19:51 |
walterbender |
+1 |
| 19:51 |
icarito |
CIVS is designed to not be tampered even by the person running it |
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| 19:52 |
CanoeBerry |
Many thanks for the election deadlines proposed..anyone got the link handy? |
| 19:52 |
JM_ |
+1 |
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walterbender |
back to the motion... do we need any other changes beside the typo in Samson's name? |
| 19:53 |
samson |
cool |
| 19:53 |
ifeanyimatthew |
No |
| 19:53 |
ignacio |
I hope that nobody gets mad :P |
| 19:53 |
walterbender |
here is the corrected motion |
| 19:54 |
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Motion: To appoint volunteers Ignacio Rodriguez, Samson Goddy and Laura Vargas as the new elections and membership committee, with the purpose of debugging current membership list and running the 2016's elections for the 3 seats at the Board available for the 2016-2018 period and to appoint Dave Crossland as an impartial election oversight party. |
| 19:54 |
CanoeBerry |
Election Deadlines, as Proposed: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]nuary/019296.html |
| 19:54 |
meeting |
<Jose_Miguel-es> I second |
| 19:55 |
walterbender |
CanoeBerry, was that informational or an amendment? |
| 19:55 |
ifeanyimatthew |
+1 |
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meeting |
<Jose_Miguel-es> +1 |
| 19:56 |
walterbender |
CanoeBerry, ??? |
| 19:56 |
CanoeBerry |
Recommendation of deadlines ought to be mentioned prominently if possible, amendment ideally? |
| 19:56 |
walterbender |
CanoeBerry, I suppose. I thought the idea was we were appointing a committee to deal with those details |
| 19:57 |
CanoeBerry |
Yes, but Election Promotion needs ammo too. |
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Something we've often led slide too much year after year. |
| 19:58 |
tony37 |
Do I understand that the new terms begin with the February meeting? |
| 19:58 |
walterbender |
CanoeBerry, can we deal with the motion on the table before we start second-guessing the committee? |
| 19:58 |
kaametza |
ignacio, this is a lerninf space - nobody should get mad :D |
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*learning |
| 19:58 |
samson |
lolz. |
| 19:58 |
CanoeBerry |
tony37: not exactly, see the deadliens in the link above |
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*deadlines |
| 19:58 |
tony37 |
I didn't see a date for the election itself |
| 19:59 |
walterbender |
needs to go in 2 minutes |
| 19:59 |
CanoeBerry |
e.g. "elections for the period from February 1 to the 28th of 2017" is possible |
| 19:59 |
ifeanyimatthew |
Yes |
| 19:59 |
tony37 |
So the election will be scheduled in January |
| 19:59 |
CanoeBerry |
If there is pressure to meet similar deadlines (even rough guidelines, as per URL above) I would support this. |
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<Jose_Miguel-es> It opens a period so that others can present , and does more transparent the process. |
| 20:00 |
tony37 |
As I see the log we have two votes in favor of the motion |
| 20:00 |
walterbender |
+1 to the current motion |
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would support a separate motion regarding setting dates |
| 20:01 |
llaske |
+1 |
| 20:01 |
tony37 |
+1 |
| 20:01 |
walterbender |
needs to go. |
| 20:01 |
meeting |
<Jose_Miguel-es> +1 |
| 20:01 |
walterbender |
please carry on and I will check the backlog |
| 20:01 |
tony37 |
tony37 also |
| 20:01 |
walterbender |
thanks all |
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walterbender |
and happy 2017 |
| 20:01 |
kaametza |
thank you all |
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and happy 2017 :D |
| 20:02 |
samson |
Same here |
| 20:02 |
ignacio |
thx everyone |
| 20:02 |
samson |
same here bro |
| 20:02 |
llaske |
bye all |
| 20:02 |
ifeanyimatthew |
Thank u all. Have a wonderful time. Got to go to bed |
| 20:02 |
ignacio |
We should |
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#end-meeting |
| 20:02 |
kaametza |
ignacio, samson congratulation guys! let's do a good job :D |
| 20:02 |
meeting |
<Jose_Miguel-es> *Bye |
| 20:03 |
JM_ |
Bye |
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samson |
Yeah! thanks |
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TymonR |
Goodbye |
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kaametza |
bye y gracias JM_ |
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CanoeBerry |
ASIDE: let's uncover/publish trip reports like this quickly in future; I found this buried in financial reporting, hard to find or know it existed. In any case, Thanks to Artemis Papert for her contributions: During the trip the following was accomplished: |
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--Participation to “Dia de TortugArte” in Caacupé -Oct. 22nd 2016. I conducted several workshops showing TurtleArt programming environment to children and teachers. |
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--Give a talk on Art, computational thinking and creativity during the “Sociedad de la Creatividad” conference. |
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--Give TurtleArt workshops to teachers and policy makers. Details of the events, organised by Paraguay Educa, can be found here |
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https://eventos.paraguay.gov.p[…]ddelacreatividad/ |
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walterbender |
#end-meeting |
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Meeting ended Fri Jan 6 20:51:37 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
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