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Meeting started Mon Oct 12 23:03:08 2015 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting |
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walterbender |
Welcome everyone |
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If/when we have a quorum, we can bless this meeting as official, but meanwhile, lots to discuss. |
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meeting |
<Jose_Miguel-es> ;) |
| 23:04 |
walterbender |
I've asked tch__ to start us off with an update regarding Sugar development |
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#topic the Next Release |
| 23:05 |
CanoeBerry |
Cerlyn & All: howdy.. |
| 23:05 |
walterbender |
hi adam |
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tch__ |
I think we should put the time-based releases aside for 108, until we have something more substantial to release... |
| 23:05 |
walterbender |
such as... working collaboration :) |
| 23:05 |
tch__ |
exactly, |
| 23:06 |
Quozl` |
that is, working collaboration without workarounds that fedora doesn't like. |
| 23:06 |
walterbender |
Quozl`, yes... working out of the box |
| 23:06 |
tch__ |
Quozl`, yes, samdroid and walter had an interesting breakthrough this weekend, |
| 23:07 |
Quozl` |
a cost of doing business with fedora. |
| 23:08 |
walterbender |
my personal goal is stability |
| 23:08 |
icarito |
tch__, when do you think we should have another sugar release? |
| 23:08 |
tch__ |
there have been other improvements, so I will just make a 107 release just to make it clear that we are still moving forward |
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icarito, when its done? hehe |
| 23:08 |
Quozl` |
tch__: re time-based releases, i don't mind either way, but i suggest not releasing 107 until 108 is imminent. |
| 23:09 |
tch__ |
Quozl`, well, these odd release are just for organizing the development process, have no other value |
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Quozl` |
tch__: do we get any serious testing of the odd-numbered releases? i've been a bit suspicious of the test coverage in the past year. |
| 23:10 |
walterbender |
icarito, is there some time pressure you are feeling for a new release |
| 23:10 |
icarito |
tch__, the target was releasing in December, right? You don't think there will be significant improvement to release by then? |
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walterbender |
icarito, the collaboration bits may not be finished by then |
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or well tested :P |
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tch__ |
Quozl`, we do have testing, but we can certainly do better... we need more community involvement |
| 23:11 |
icarito |
walterbender, it's just a measure of the health of the community, also we agreed it would be good to release in time by southern hemisphere schoolyear |
| 23:11 |
Quozl` |
tch__: yes, we're not getting enough community involvement, but delaying releases won't help with that. |
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tch__ |
Quozl`, I think we should do a 107 release so we can make it happen, but we can have as many 107.x release as we need |
| 23:12 |
walterbender |
icarito, would anyone care if we release something without significant improvements? |
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Quozl` |
walterbender: i think the collaboration rework can be held off until everything works. separate branch, perhaps. |
| 23:13 |
walterbender |
I think that is tch__ 's point |
| 23:13 |
icarito |
walterbender, I don't know, do you think they have cared in the past? |
| 23:13 |
walterbender |
icarito, I don't know, but we have had significant changes with each release in the past |
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GrannieB <GrannieB!~webchat rev-18-85-44-69.sugarlabs.org> has joined #sugar-meeting |
| 23:13 |
walterbender |
right now, very little by way of changes in the 108 queue |
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except the collaboration bits, which may or may not be ready for December |
| 23:14 |
icarito |
walterbender, it has always been a good sign that we have had consistent releases. I don't think changes have been so significant between several versions. |
| 23:15 |
walterbender |
icarito, I won't argue with you but I will point out that our release manager has the final say in this matter |
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icarito |
yes I was going to say that too |
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Quozl` |
i think the changes since 0.106.1 are significant, but i'm having a hard time identifying the 0.106.1 release in the master branch. i can only find 0.106.0. |
| 23:16 |
walterbender |
maybe we should continue this discussion the devel list and move on to other topics here. |
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tch__ |
Quozl`, well, things moved forward in master, and not all that was safe for a bug fix release, so 0.106.1 exists only in a branch (safe from unnecesary changes) |
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Quozl` |
walterbender: agreed, move on, consider the above a progress report from release engineer, with discussion. ;-) |
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tch__ |
anyway, what I am suggesting is, we do 107.x release until we get enough progress on collaboration |
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walterbender, sure, we can continue on ML |
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walterbender |
thanks for the update tch__ |
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#topic GCI |
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just an update: I have solicited enough (5-6) mentors to feel comfortable applying for GCI again this year |
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hopefully it will mean more new contributors :) |
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Quozl` |
can you list the mentors? |
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walterbender |
I'll keep SLOB abreast of the application process. |
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<Jose_Miguel-es> Excellent! |
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walterbender |
German in NI |
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A couple of GSOC participants in IN |
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a couple of former Python Joven hackers in UY |
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and tch and myself |
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I could use more of course, but I think we can make do with that team |
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any other comments/suggestions? |
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Quozl` |
thanks. i've no comments or suggestions. |
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walterbender |
#topic membership/election |
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GrannieB, any updates since last week? |
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GrannieB |
newsletter is almost ready |
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waiting in Adam |
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walterbender |
oh... so same as last week :) |
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GrannieB |
for "server report" |
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no… much closer to ready |
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walterbender |
GrannieB, did you need anything more from me? any of those pictures useful? |
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GrannieB |
yes! great pics |
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is pdf format ok? |
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walterbender |
GrannieB, anything sense of what the schedule will be for the election? |
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GrannieB, PDF is fine |
| 23:26 |
GrannieB |
we are still looking at the end of December |
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sorry… mid December |
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walterbender |
mid-December for the election itself? can you fill in the dates for everything else that needs to happen? |
| 23:27 |
GrannieB |
It hasn't changed as I see it |
| 23:28 |
CanoeBerry |
GrannieB & All: can these dates be posted to something like http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/O[…]5-2016-candidates ? |
| 23:28 |
walterbender |
GrannieB, so when do you want people to "declare" themselves as candidates? |
| 23:29 |
GrannieB |
October was the origingal time… But I think mid-November might be OK if we don't get enough |
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They would still have 2 weeks to do their statements (by end of Nov.) |
| 23:30 |
walterbender |
GrannieB, will you guys create a fresh page in the wiki for the upcoming election? the 2014 page is a bit stale |
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GrannieB |
Samson was going to do it |
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walterbender |
OK... perhaps you can remind him :P |
| 23:31 |
GrannieB |
Yep will do |
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walterbender |
we can add a link from the landing page of the wiki as well |
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GrannieB |
and in the newsletter |
| 23:32 |
walterbender |
+1 |
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anything else you guys want to report? |
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GrannieB |
not now |
| 23:33 |
walterbender |
OK. Thanks for the update |
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#topic RED |
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just wanted to share the URL for the journal RED that has many Sugar-related articles |
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http://www.um.es/ead/red/46/ |
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#link http://www.um.es/ead/red/46/ |
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JM_ has an article |
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so does Claudia and me |
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<Jose_Miguel-es> Walter and Claudia also... |
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walterbender |
and a nice one from .UY about robots and sensors |
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<Jose_Miguel-es> And Andrés... |
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<Jose_Miguel-es> And many more. |
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walterbender |
and a nice one about Turtle Blocks workshops by Josh Burker |
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I think it is great to have some academic perspective on our work |
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Quozl` |
are there english translations of the papers? |
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walterbender |
Quozl`, I have .EN of some of them. Let me know which ones you are interested in. |
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<Jose_Miguel-es> There only the *resumenes... |
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walterbender |
JM_, the paper on Butia was written in English and translated to ES |
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Josh's paper is only in English :) |
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<Jose_Miguel-es> And they are available? |
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walterbender |
Claudia and I wrote ours in English too... not sure if it was translated into Spanish |
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walterbender |
JM_, I can make those three available in English |
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I will post them |
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<Jose_Miguel-es> *Ok. |
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walterbender |
well... that is all on my list... |
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oh... one more thing |
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#topic Music Blocks |
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almost to V1.0 of a new fork of Turtle designed to give kids a structured introduction to music. Really fun. |
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walterbender.github.io/musicblocks |
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enjoy |
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now I am done :) |
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anyone else with discussion topics? |
| 23:41 |
Quozl` |
nothing from me. |
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<Jose_Miguel-es> At all of my... |
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<Jose_Miguel-es> *Nothing *for Me |
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walterbender |
CanoeBerry, ??? |
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Cerlyn |
Fedora supposedly approved a bundling measure where apps could have their own library versions (such as for collaboration). However it is not preferred, and said libraries have to be explicitly declared. |
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CanoeBerry |
Nothing immediate? |
| 23:45 |
walterbender |
Cerlyn, yeah... was discussed at the GNOME Boston hackfest this weekend |
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tch__, attended on behalf of SL |
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CanoeBerry |
I and Caryl were wondering about http://sugarizer.org - any offhand news here? |
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walterbender |
CanoeBerry, maybe we can get Lionel to report in next time |
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CanoeBerry, lots of progress over the summer, in part thanks to GSoC |
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tch__, will see Lionel at Google in a few weeks: the GSoC mentors summit |
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well... getting near dinner time here. Thanks everyone |
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Quozl` |
sugarizer, i like how the home view has an icon for the network view. |
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CanoeBerry |
walterbender: cool, sugarizer.org's defin expanded since this spring. |
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walterbender |
Quozl`, maybe start a thread on the [DESIGN] list |
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CanoeBerry |
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<Jose_Miguel-es> 1 |
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walterbender |
#end-meeting |
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