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#sugar-meeting meeting, 2015-09-14 23:17:25

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23:17 meeting Meeting started Mon Sep 14 23:17:25 2015 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
23:17 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting
23:17 <Jose_Miguel-es> Excellent...
23:17 Quozl` attends as observer
23:17 walterbender great to have a quorum :)
23:17 meeting <Jose_Miguel-es> Hello!
23:17 walterbender #topic trademark
23:18 Did everyone see the note from the SFC regarding our trademark?
23:18 gonzalo yes
23:18 meeting <Jose_Miguel-es> *Yes.
23:18 walterbender from tony: Hi, all: FYI, I will be filing affidavits required to maintain the
23:18 registration of Sugar Labs' trademarks[1] with the USPTO. The affidavit
23:18 filing fees amount to $100/registered mark, or $200, and are required to
23:18 maintain the registrations.
23:18 I think we should approve this
23:19 meeting <Jose_Miguel-es> Of agreement.
23:19 walterbender let me make a formal motion and we can discuss before a vote
23:20 motion: approve the expenditure of $600 on maintaining our trademark as per the notification from Tony Sebro of the SFC
23:20 anyone to second the motion?
23:21 meeting <Jose_Miguel-es> It is a problem abandon the mark, as it runs  the risk that it was registered by others, for afterwards earn by his use.
23:21 claudia_ <claudia_!~webchat@rev-18-85-44-69.sugarlabs.org> has joined #sugar-meeting
23:21 walterbender hi claudia
23:21 claudia_ hello
23:21 walterbender we are discussing the trademark maintenance
23:21 claudia_ how are you?
23:21 CanoeBerry Can we get a rough reminder how much is "in the bank" ?
23:21 walterbender JM_, I think the issue is that we want to ensure that no one uses our mark to mislead others
23:22 CanoeBerry, I don't know... that remains opaque.
23:22 CanoeBerry, but that said, we just got a 6K donation from Google
23:22 as a thank you for GCI
23:22 meeting <Jose_Miguel-es> Exact!
23:23 walterbender so I don't think it is a worry to spend $600.
23:23 CanoeBerry OK
23:23 Motion seconded.
23:24 walterbender any more discussion?
23:24 gonzalo walterbender, how much time we will have the trademark protected?
23:24 claudia_ talking about this... Irma (UY) sent me a request to provide a letter to "certify" she is a sugarlabs colunteer
23:24 *volunteer
23:24 walterbender I think it is 5 more years
23:24 gonzalo walterbender, ok, thanks
23:24 claudia_ ok with me too
23:25 walterbender gonzalo, actually, I think it maybe longer
23:25 meeting <Jose_Miguel-es> Voucher with me
23:25 walterbender I can double-check with Tony
23:25 CanoeBerry many sites seem to say 10: "You must renew your trademark registration between the 9th and 10th year following your registration date, and each successive ten-year period thereafter."
23:26 walterbender CanoeBerry, that is what I thought. Not sure why Tony thinks we need to do it now
23:26 We can ask him.
23:26 I think this is actually a one-time maintenance issue about incontestability
23:26 it strengthens our claim
23:27 I defer to the lawyers in this case
23:27 CanoeBerry Clarif: "You must file the Combined Declaration, specimen, and fee on a date that falls on or between the fifth (5th) and sixth (6th) anniversaries of the registration (or, for an extra fee of $100.00 per class, you may file within the six-month grace period following the sixth anniversary date)." http://www.uspto.gov/trademark[…]ration-maintenanc
23:27 erenewalcorrection-forms
23:27 walterbender so it seems it is time to file
23:28 shall we vote?
23:28 CanoeBerry Yes, and the every-10-year stuff happens later, starting 9th/10th year.
23:28 gonzalo walterbender, yes
23:28 walterbender yes
23:28 CanoeBerry +1
23:28 walterbender +1
23:28 gonzalo +1
23:28 meeting <Jose_Miguel-es> +1
23:29 walterbender claudia_, ?
23:29 claudia_ +1
23:30 walterbender motion passes :)
23:30 thanks everyone
23:30 #topic Google programs
23:30 claudia_ :)
23:31 walterbender We just finished up GSoC.
23:31 had very good work done on 5 of 6 projects
23:32 one fail :(
23:32 and as I mentioned, we just got $6000 US from Google as a thank you for our participation in GCI last year
23:32 which brings me to GCI 2015/16
23:33 claudia_ great... I have not followed the projects at all
23:33 walterbender the announcement for applications will be made soon
23:33 do we want to participate again this year?
23:33 if so, I will prepare the application
23:34 (it is a lot of work to prepare, so I don't want to do it if we don't have consensus)
23:34 gonzalo walterbender, i can't compromise time in the near future, sorry
23:34 claudia_ you do a lot of the work... I feel it is such a great opportunity to do work with countries.. but it is hard
23:34 walterbender gonzalo, mentor time is of the essence.
23:35 I have a new project I am involved in that is taking a lot of my time as well
23:35 so I may be less able to give instant feedback 24/7
23:36 I guess I need to feel out the community to see if there will be sufficient support.
23:36 if so, I think we should do it as I think it is both a great tool for us... it is how we found, for example, samdroid
23:36 but also, it is in the spirit of what Sugar Labs is supposed to be doing
23:37 encouraging our users to become developers
23:37 claudia_ walterbender: asking if the community wants to propose and mentor projects
23:37 gonzalo walterbender, if we don't have resources to do good mentoring, i prefer skip this year
23:37 walterbender claudia_, I ask ever year and most often generate the project list myself
23:37 last year samdroid helped me :)
23:38 gonzalo sorry to sound pessimistic, but we need be responsible
23:38 walterbender note that he did not work on any of the projects he proposed :)
23:38 gonzalo, I agree. It has largely been on my shoulders and I cannot do it by myself this year
23:38 Quozl` comment: overextending seems much more likely to occur given who is available this time.
23:39 gonzalo walterbender, i know you do a big part of the job
23:39 walterbender gonzalo, you don't know the half of it :P
23:39 gonzalo sure
23:40 walterbender I did manage to find new mentors for GSoC, all of whom worked out very well
23:40 maybe I can find new mentors for GCI
23:40 I will try
23:40 and get back to you about my results
23:41 meanwhile I will not submit an application.
23:41 claudia_ ok
23:41 walterbender #topic membership and the election
23:42 as per claudia_ 's question earlier, irma should get onto the members list
23:42 claudia_ ok
23:42 walterbender and certainly JM_ could vouch for her
23:42 meanwhile I have heard nothing from icarito etr al. about the election
23:43 gonzalo walterbender, claudia, irma is already in the list
23:43 meeting <Jose_Miguel-es> *Ok
23:43 gonzalo she need a paper to present in a training she is doing
23:43 i don't know if we have a procedure to extend community participation certificates
23:44 walterbender I think it is fine to have a SLOB member write something
23:44 and maybe we can turn it into a standard form?
23:44 gonzalo claudia_, can you do it?
23:44 claudia_ sounds good to me
23:45 I can work on it... and circulate
23:45 who would sign?
23:45 walterbender I think any SLOB member could do it unilaterally
23:45 claudia_ ok
23:46 walterbender but I suppose we should discuss
23:46 claudia_ I can sign
23:46 I will do the form first and circulate before I move forward
23:47 meeting <Jose_Miguel-es> It is good idea.
23:49 walterbender regardless of the wording, we should have a process by which such certificates are issed
23:49 claudia_ the topic came up with Tony too.. for the paper Walter, Tony, Andres, Guzman wrote
23:49 walterbender would be nice if we dont have to debate each instance at these meetings
23:49 but had a simple mechanism
23:49 claudia_ agree
23:50 walterbender I propose that SLOB members be empowered with unilateral decisionmaking power
23:50 meeting <Jose_Miguel-es> Of agreement. And do a register of each one...
23:50 <Jose_Miguel-es> Perhaps public?
23:50 walterbender JM_, yes... we can report at these meetings any certificates we issue
23:51 so it is part of the public record
23:51 claudia_ perhaps have some requirements..
23:51 meeting <Jose_Miguel-es> Of agreement
23:51 walterbender claudia_, I think the requirements are so varied in terms of what partiicpation is... teachers, coders, etc.
23:52 so I think a human judgment is appropriate
23:52 sdanielf <sdanielf!~webchat@rev-18-85-44-69.sugarlabs.org> has joined #sugar-meeting
23:52 claudia_ we could say "meet at least 2 out of 5 requirements"
23:53 gonzalo we should solve this just requesting confirmation from another slob member in mailing list or something similar
23:54 walterbender gonzalo, not sure that helps with claudia_ 's question
23:54 ignacio Hi anyone
23:54 gonzalo walterbender,  re: requirements?
23:54 claudia_ until we have a process in place, I can draft something and circulate with Walter
23:55 ignacio *everyone :)
23:55 gonzalo claudia_, +1
23:55 walterbender hi ignacio
23:55 +1 claudia_
23:55 gonzalo hi ignacio
23:56 claudia_ ok
23:56 thanks
23:56 Walter... did you mention the articles?
23:56 ignacio about gci (I know I'm late) I received a few questions from young/classmates about the contest
23:56 I think we need a better advertise in case that we participate
23:57 walterbender ignacio, maybe you and samdroid and I can discuss after the meeting?
23:57 ignacio Oh, sure
23:57 walterbender back to the topic for one sec
23:58 I worry that once again the election process is stalled
23:58 can we appoint a SLOB member to work with the committee to make sure things move forward?
23:58 any volunteers?
23:58 CanoeBerry, ???
23:59 gonzalo walterbender, at least we should ask to the comite by email and openly in the mailimg list for the status
00:00 walterbender, some of the has been very vocal about the lack of a election
00:00 walterbender, some of them has been very vocal about the lack of a election
00:00 walterbender yes
00:00 so perhaps one of our more vocal members should take the lead on this...
00:00 why I recommend CanoeBerry
00:01 CanoeBerry i can talk to Caryl Bigenho and others, yes
00:01 gonzalo CanoeBerry, thanks
00:01 walterbender CanoeBerry, thanks. would be a big help
00:02 sent Caryl two different blog posts for her newsletter and hear nothing back :P
00:02 gonzalo CanoeBerry, you are a good candidate to move this forward, you have contact with the diverse olpc ecosystem
00:02 claudia_ agree
00:02 gonzalo walterbender, i sent her a article too
00:04 by the way, the newsletter was a good idea, i think
00:05 walterbender well, we have a plan :)
00:05 moving on...
00:05 #topic RED
00:05 claudia_, wanna give an update?
00:06 claudia_ sure
00:07 Red is a academic publication (Spanish).. Walter and I worked on the special edition about computational thinking
00:08 We had several articles from the community
00:08 Guzman, Andres, Tony and Walter published one.. about sensors
00:09 John Burke (teachers we met through Gary Stager) published one on TBlocks and 3D printing..
00:09 walterbender Josh Burker :)
00:09 claudia_ Walter and I one about visualizing learning with TBlicks
00:09 *TBlocks
00:09 walterbender lots of turtle :)
00:09 claudia_ (yes, walterbender, Thanks)
00:10 Jose MIguel submitted one, but I have not read the whole article
00:10 meeting <Jose_Miguel-es> On educational robotics...
00:10 claudia_ I know couple of articles were also related to Scratch
00:11 Congrats, Jose MIguel
00:11 http://www.um.es/ead/red/46/
00:11 walterbender good Sugar Labs community representation :)
00:12 thanks for making this possible claudia_
00:12 I have one more topic tonight if people have time
00:12 #topic www.sl.o
00:13 samdroid, has been working on a new, simple site for us
00:13 I think it is getting close
00:13 ignacio I saw it, I liked it
00:13 walterbender would be good to get some feedback for him from SLOB members as well
00:13 ignacio it's more friendly than the current one
00:13 walterbender ignacio, I agree
00:14 not as Swiss
00:14 but friendly and inviting
00:14 ignacio yep
00:14 meeting <Jose_Miguel-es> Where can see ?
00:14 walterbender samdroid, ^^
00:16 claudia_ site?
00:17 walterbender I will look for the URL
00:17 http://www.sam.today/
00:17 I promised some copy-editing
00:18 but you can get the general idea
00:18 ignacio walterbender, wasn't the new one to have a moving background?
00:18 I mean, the video
00:19 I need to go to school, good bye for now.
00:19 walterbender ignacio, ttyl
00:20 ignacio, will be in touch re GCI
00:20 needs to go too...
00:20 any other topics for today?
00:20 claudia_ me too
00:20 great to connect again
00:20 not from me
00:21 walterbender ok
00:21 5
00:21 gonzalo 4
00:22 meeting <Jose_Miguel-es> 3
00:22 claudia_ 2
00:23 walterbender CanoeBerry, 1
00:23 CanoeBerry 0
00:23 walterbender #end-meeting
00:23 meeting Meeting ended Tue Sep 15 00:23:19 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4)
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