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meeting |
Meeting started Fri Jun 26 14:59:30 2015 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting |
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k_yash |
yeah |
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tch__ |
walterbender, my clocks says we should :) |
| 14:59 |
k_yash |
may I start? |
| 14:59 |
walterbender |
#topic midterm evalations |
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they are available later today. we have until the 3rd of July to fill them out |
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k_yash, please report |
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#topic music |
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abhinav |
hello everyone |
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k_yash |
Walterbender Hi |
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This week I worked upon Music chunks representation with matrix. |
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walterbender we can save the matrix as chunks...play them and can also edit them |
| 15:01 |
walterbender |
I managed to get some of it to work :) |
| 15:01 |
k_yash |
sounds good :) |
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https://sugarizingmusic.wordpress.com/ |
| 15:02 |
walterbender |
would be nice to be able to drag the various pieces around... is that difficult? |
| 15:02 |
k_yash |
walterbender: I'll do it this week, the thing is that matrix is not a bitmap, its just an HTML table |
| 15:03 |
walterbender |
k_yash, so you can reposition it in the DOM |
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k_yash, chucks are great |
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have you tried programming loops with a repeat block? |
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or making actions of melodies? |
| 15:04 |
k_yash |
wlaterbender: no not yet |
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sorry walterbender |
| 15:04 |
walterbender |
and I could see having different turtles playing different instruments |
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all triggered by broadcasting an event |
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this is getting cool |
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k_yash |
I just completed them a hour earlier...I'll try making actions of melodies later today |
| 15:05 |
walterbender |
any other questions for k_yash ? |
| 15:05 |
k_yash |
walterbender: yes cool it is :) |
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we've to move towards GREAT ;) |
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tch__ |
k_yash, looks really cool |
| 15:06 |
k_yash |
thanks tch__ |
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walterbender |
k_yash, any roadblocks? |
| 15:09 |
k_yash |
walterbender, not as such, they always get sorted out just a day before meeting :) |
| 15:09 |
walterbender |
great... |
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abhinav, do you want to go next? |
| 15:09 |
abhinav |
walterbender, sure |
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walterbender |
#topic collab |
| 15:09 |
abhinav |
Hello All. |
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First of all, this is the link to try out. |
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http://rawgit.com/abhinavanura[…]master/index.html |
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walterbender |
sharing... |
| 15:10 |
abhinav |
Collaboration is implemented till the point that one has to push a button to sync its work with others in the group. |
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walterbender |
the cloud button? |
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what gets shared? |
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abhinav |
Ok. |
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I ll guide u through it. |
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abhinav |
If you find a share button at the bottom right |
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it means u r connected to the sugarizer server |
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walterbender |
OK... some other turtles just appeared :) |
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abhinav |
and u r ready to collaborate |
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abhinav |
In order to share an activity or join any group |
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click the share button |
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and then either share or join. |
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Once you are a part of any group, a cloud button appears. |
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Which means u r ready to sync |
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Clicking on the sync button |
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will sync your updates with others in the group. |
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Are u able to follow? |
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Or I am unclear?? |
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walterbender |
your blocks? and graphics? |
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abhinav |
walterbender, didnt get you what you are trying to point out |
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walterbender |
abhinav, I am asking what gets shared |
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in turtle there are stacks |
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and the graphics generated by running the stacks |
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abhinav |
the whole project |
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which u re doing |
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walterbender |
when I run do you see it? |
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abhinav |
So, all the stacks are getting shared |
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walterbender |
and I can change a stack you shared with me? |
| 15:16 |
abhinav |
No, after u sync, I ll just get the stack. |
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walterbender |
OK |
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abhinav |
I will have to run it specially. |
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And If I make any changes |
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walterbender |
so we share the stacks whenever we sync |
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abhinav |
I will resync |
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exactly |
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walterbender |
how do we manage merging? |
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abhinav |
I am keeping a list of turtles belonging to each user |
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As in for each user connected to me, I am having a list of turtle names. |
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walterbender |
so I cannot send changes to the stacks you shared? |
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abhinav |
And those turtle objects has the reference for the start block |
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tch__ |
walterbender, is it working for you? |
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abhinav |
Hence, I delete the start block and reload the stack |
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tch__ |
abhinav, can you create a new group? post the id here so we can join? |
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walterbender |
tch__, yes... I see lots of stacks from somewhere :) |
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abhinav |
tch__, Sure. |
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tch__ |
walterbender, what is the id? |
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walterbender |
33122758-b089-4e05-9430-b3f4118314b2 |
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abhinav |
tch__, is it working with this ID? |
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walterbender |
abhinav, it is great that the basic mechanics are working |
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lots of questions about the UI |
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abhinav |
walterbender, I am expecting the same. |
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I thought it was the best option I could for the real work to be done in tym |
| 15:21 |
walterbender |
as I explained earlier in the week, I think the collaboration model we use in the Python version works really well |
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the stacks are shared on demand |
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but the actions of each turtle are always shared |
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abhinav |
walterbender, U mean only only gets to see the output of the running turtle?? |
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walterbender |
also, I don't quite understand why the list of available shares has duplicate entries |
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abhinav, yes |
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abhinav |
*one |
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walterbender |
we share output and if I have some cool code to share, I send it explicitly |
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and then it is yours to modify |
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abhinav |
walterbender, just a different way of sharing I think. |
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tch__ |
abhinav, I click on the id, but I only get a empty turtle from someone else, |
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walterbender |
abhinav, yes |
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but I think that each app needs to consider its own goals |
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abhinav |
Next I plan to piggyback sync on run |
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walterbender |
and you need to run a service we can leverage in different ways |
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tch__ |
abhinav, there is no feedback when clicking on the id, a bit confusing |
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abhinav |
walterbender, For this, I was planning to have seperate canvas for each user syncing with me. |
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walterbender |
abhinav, that could work |
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abhinav |
tch__, looking into it. |
| 15:26 |
tch__ |
abhinav, another detail, when users disconnect should I see their turtles going disappearing? |
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abhinav |
tch__, as of now, No. |
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We can discuss abt it. |
| 15:27 |
walterbender |
it is a start |
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abhinav |
tch__, btw, Did u get any stack with set color block?? |
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walterbender |
sees it |
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abhinav, I am a bit confused by some of the terminology |
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abhinav |
walterbender, Like? |
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walterbender |
are groups really groups of individuals? |
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walterbender |
where did they all come from (as oppose to the individuals)? |
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abhinav |
groups = sharedActivity |
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this is how it is mentioned in sugarizer server |
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walterbender |
if we each share (as oppose to join) we generate the multiple groups? |
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abhinav |
For each share, we create a new group |
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Group will consist of all the users connected to that shared activty |
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walterbender |
and I can keep switching my activity between different groups? |
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abhinav |
yeah U can. :) |
| 15:30 |
walterbender |
OK... starting to make more sense |
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abhinav |
walterbender, any more confusions? |
| 15:32 |
walterbender |
abhinav, I would like to see a coherent plan of how all this fits together into a user experience |
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maybe you can write up some user scenarios in your blog? |
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both what you have and where you think you should be heading with the project |
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abhinav |
walterbender, Sure. I will share the link of my blog asap. |
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walterbender |
OK |
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richashi_ |
I can go after abhinav…? |
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walterbender |
artista, wanna go next? |
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artista |
sure |
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walterbender |
oh... sorry richashi_ |
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richashi_ |
no worries! |
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tch__ |
abhinav, I will send my review after the meeting, via the same email thread we are already using |
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walterbender |
richashi_, you'll be next in the queue |
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richashi_ |
ok... |
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walterbender |
#topic turtle programming |
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abhinav |
tch__, Will be waiting. |
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walterbender |
artista, |
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artista |
This week we worked on nameddoarg and namedcalcarg blocks |
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both are working now |
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walterbender |
yay |
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artista |
we have also released it for testing |
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:D |
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walterbender |
and already have some feedback :) |
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a few issues with the palettes to resolve |
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artista |
oh I would love to hear them |
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walterbender |
artista, join the turtleblocks FB page :P |
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artista, can you tell us what is next? |
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artista |
oh I didn't know that :P |
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yeah so this week we are planning on taking some issues if any |
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and work on the next problem i.e How are we going to interface this to other apps to use it as a programming extension? |
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walterbender |
artista, looking forward to iterating on some ideas |
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we had been discussing passing in a heap from json-encoded data |
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and exporting a heap with some results |
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artista |
the inputs and outputs? |
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walterbender |
yes |
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artista |
the json-encoded data can work |
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walterbender |
and since we can treat the heap like an array it should handle lots of cases |
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artista |
we could save the inputs and outputs in local storage ? |
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walterbender |
yes |
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or the download directory |
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any questions for artista ? |
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artista |
but we definitely have to save the functions in download directory |
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walterbender |
artista, yes |
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artista |
will try with the palette case as starter :) |
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walterbender |
artista, +1 |
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walterbender |
artista, meanwhile I will chase down the palette bugs that have been identified |
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artista |
(y) |
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walterbender |
ok... we should move on |
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richashi_, ? |
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#topic web programming |
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richashi_ |
Thanks |
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So this week was pretty interesting… |
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This week I finished all the basis functionalities required for the app. |
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I added a new button which expands to give 3 options to the user - open the shell in a new tab, open a file in the shell and save a file from the shell. |
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For saving, it also saves in the Journal |
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walterbender |
nice |
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richashi_ |
and for opening, it opens an object chooser, where user can select a file from his document folder or the journal |
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Till last week, I was coding in some what random manner, for experimentation purposes with the sugar-browse activity code. This week, I implemented the code in a manner suitable for check-in. I developed a different class to give the right level of encapsulation and abstraction. I will be uploading the change on github this weekend. |
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walterbender |
sounds like good progress |
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richashi_ |
We had to come up with some name of the shell. I have not discussed with Tony yet, but came up with a name yesterday to give it to the class definition. am calling it WebConsole. Would change it other name after discussing with Tony. |
| 15:48 |
walterbender |
makes sense in this context |
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richashi_ |
:) |
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So by this weekend, 2 things would be complete: code on github and update of my blog |
| 15:49 |
walterbender |
OK |
| 15:49 |
richashi_ |
My job for next week is still not decided…I have not pinged Tony yet..my bad. |
| 15:49 |
walterbender |
any questions for richashi_ ? |
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richashi_ |
I will do so and we will decide what should be the next step. |
| 15:50 |
walterbender |
a lot accomplished to date |
| 15:50 |
richashi_ |
thanks :) |
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walterbender |
OK... |
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mohayon, ready? |
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mohayon |
Yes ! |
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walterbender |
#topic web apps |
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mohayon |
So, this week, Calculate.activity has been PR and merged into sugarizer :) |
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walterbender |
nice |
| 15:52 |
mohayon |
And I started Paint.activity, I had troubles choosing the correct library and finally choosed PaperJS |
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http://mikklfr.github.io/Paint.activity/ |
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We agreed with llaske onto insert stamps based on SVGs |
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walterbender |
SVG is the way to go |
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tch__ |
mohayon, +1 for stamps, users seems to like that alot.. |
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mohayon |
I will finish the basic app by the end of the weekend |
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That means, color chooser, size chooser. |
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Shapes |
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SVG |
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Lines |
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and Undo/redo |
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The next goal is collaboration/filters/filling bucket/image picker |
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mohayon |
No troubles with touch/click inputs for now |
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I already have serialization/deserialization working locally |
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So that's it I think |
| 15:56 |
walterbender |
sounds like fun |
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would be good to be able to import an image to paint on top of |
| 15:57 |
mohayon |
Yep, that's a fun app :) |
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Yes |
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That would be awesome |
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And it's very easy to do |
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I'm writing the idea down |
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walterbender |
mohayon, looking forward to trying it |
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any questions for mohayon ? |
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tch__ |
walterbender, not really, very nice progress |
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walterbender |
nice to hear about such nice progress by the group |
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ishan will not be able to join us today but will send an email |
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don't forget to do your evals!!! |
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#end-meeting |
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meeting |
Meeting ended Fri Jun 26 16:02:37 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
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