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Meeting started Mon Apr 6 23:10:04 2015 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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<Jose_Miguel-es> Pardon by the hour... |
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walterbender |
Just a quick update on several topics |
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#topic GSoC |
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Jm_ <Jm_!~webchat rev-18-85-44-69.sugarlabs.org> has joined #sugar-meeting |
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walterbender |
we have 67 applicants |
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many strong ones |
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we have a meeting scheduled for Thursday to discuss among the mentors what we want to do |
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then we wait to hear from Google |
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FWIW, I have approached the Tata Trusts in India to see if they might be interested in working with some of these kids -- about 75% are from India |
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#topic Turtle Art Day |
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with the help of Harriet Vidysagar and the team at Homi Bhabha Center in Mumbai, we had a 2-day Turtle Art Day last week |
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one day for educators and one day with fourth graders |
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lots of fun |
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<Jose_Miguel-es> Excellent! |
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walterbender |
we used the Javascript version with the teachers and the Python version with the kids |
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Quozl`_ |
. |
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walterbender |
I'll be writing up notes as soon as I wake up. |
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still suffering from jet lag |
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#topic possible project in Assam |
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I met with the Tata Trusts to discuss a project that they are doing with MIT |
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be we went on to discuss an initiative that they are doing in Assam. |
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Looks likely we will be doing a Sugar program there |
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I'll keep you all informed as discussions go forward |
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That's the end of my updates |
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(Oh, except to say that I am doing a Turtle Art Day in Jamaica at the end of the month in conjunction with a local foundation.) |
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CanoeBerry, can you reconnect me with anything else going on there these days? |
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gonzalo_ |
i have a small news than can make CanoeBerry happy, today landed in Sugar a patch to not break activities with old activity.info format anymore :) |
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retrospectively, was a mistake make the change in 0.98, but we live and learn.... |
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walterbender |
Quozl`_, how are your tests on performance of 104 on XO-1 hardware? |
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would be great to be able to get everyone onto recent builds |
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Quozl`_ |
walterbender: i have an automated test method in development, been testing continuously for four days on three XO-1, and have some surprising discoveries, but I'm not ready to publish the details, except to say that 104 scores better than 98. |
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walterbender |
Quozl`_, thanks for working on this |
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Quozl`_ |
walterbender: the other blocker for a synchronised release is the Browse activity showing rectangles in fonts after a Google search. |
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walterbender |
Quozl`_, yeah... |
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Quozl`_ |
walterbender: otherwise, i'm finding the 104 build very stable and nice. |
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walterbender |
Quozl`_, we need to make a full-court press on Browse |
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it will be a blocker for some potential projects in India as well |
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gonzalo_ |
Quozl`_, question, did you tried run the old gecko version of Browse? 129.1 i think |
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Quozl`_ |
walterbender: within a few days i expect i'll be reducing my involvement on performance analysis on XO-1, as other work is about to arrive. |
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gonzalo_ |
Quozl`_, probably will need some dependencies like hulahop |
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Quozl`_ |
gonzalo_: no, didn't try it. |
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CanoeBerry |
Sorry, am back. Elkner just called :) |
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walterbender |
give him my regards |
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CanoeBerry |
walterbender: my Jamaica links are weak 3 years later, but will try! |
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walterbender |
CanoeBerry, mine too :P |
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gonzalo_, shall we discuss the survey results? |
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gonzalo_ |
walterbender, the last time i checked, we had 12 replies, is not bad |
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walterbender, i was waiting a few more to make a resume |
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summary |
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walterbender |
gonzalo_, OK |
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maybe for next meeting |
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icarito, ping |
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<Jose_Miguel-es> Gonzalo: some tracks? |
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icarito |
hola walterbender |
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gonzalo_ |
Jeniffer Martino is not involved in Canada anymore? |
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JoseMiguel, show how diverse is our group to start :) |
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<Jose_Miguel-es> ;) |
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walterbender |
icarito, did you have anything you wanted to discuss re elections? |
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gonzalo_, I never heard back from her :P |
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CanoeBerry |
gonzalo_: catching up to your patch annc above, incredible news |
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gonzalo_ |
CanoeBerry, i knew you will be happy ;) |
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icarito |
walterbender, only I'm waiting if I will be appointed for elections committee |
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as well as Caryl |
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who is the other volunteer |
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walterbender |
let's discuss with the SLOB |
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#topic elections committee |
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some background |
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Luke, who was chairing the election committee has moved on to other thing |
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s |
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correlated -- not necessarily causal -- we had no candidates for the last two elections above and beyond current members |
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so we did not hold elections |
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we now have two community members volunteering to pick up the slack |
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It would be be good to get some fresh ideas and energy |
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I presume we need to appoint the new committee |
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end of background |
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Quozl`_ |
ceases observing the meeting (conflicting appointment) |
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walterbender |
Quozl`_, ciao |
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CanoeBerry |
On March 10th Walter said Sugar Labs will run elections end of 2015: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]March/017278.html |
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walterbender |
CanoeBerry, and no one signed up as a candidate |
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until mid-february |
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CanoeBerry, but we can discuss this with the election committee |
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which is the current topic |
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not the election itself |
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gonzalo_ |
i think we should do otherwise |
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walterbender |
I am thrilled that icarito and cayrl have volunteered |
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gonzalo_ |
we need run the election, and we have volunteers, anybody have any problem with start the process? |
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walterbender |
I think it would be good to recruit one more... one of the younger members.. a sam or ignacio |
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and then let the committee propose a plan for an election |
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gonzalo_ |
icarito, from the point of view of infraestructure, something is missing? |
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walterbender |
Let me make a motion: |
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A motion to appoint Icarito and Cayrl to the election committee |
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and to try to recruit a youth member to the coimmittee as well |
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discussion? |
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<Jose_Miguel-es> Good idea. |
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gonzalo_ |
+1 from my part |
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walterbender |
CanoeBerry, any thoughts? |
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gonzalo_ |
i think limit the other volunteer to young hackers would not be needed |
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walterbender |
gonzalo_, true... but I think it is a good goal... to have a committee that is as diverse as our community if possible |
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but maybe it need not be part of the motion |
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gonzalo_ |
walterbender, is good, but wouldn't be a blocker |
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walterbender |
shall we vote on an amended motion: |
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Motion: Appoint icarito and Caryl to the election committee |
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we can leave it to a task to all of us to recruit more help |
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gonzalo_ |
ok, can they start in the meantime? |
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walterbender |
yes |
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gonzalo_ |
good |
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walterbender |
once we appoint them |
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can we vote? |
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+1 |
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gonzalo_ |
+1 |
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<Jose_Miguel-es> +1 |
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walterbender |
CanoeBerry, ? |
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icarito, consider it done, and I will solicit votes from the rest of the commitee by email |
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icarito, can you and caryl make a proposal for a new election |
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we need to figure out not just when, but whom is up for election as we are a bit out of sync |
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anything else for tonight? |
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icarito |
walterbender, we'll work on it |
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CanoeBerry |
All makes sense. And also let's please clarify (now, not later) what exact the Elections Committee can and cannot do. Is the election committee tasked with replacing board members in interim elections too? Around 2010 SLOBS decided that a member of the board should be replaced if they do not attend oversight board meetings (like this one) regularly. If I recall it was roughly missing |
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2+ meetings over 2+ months (beyond medical/overseas deployment extenuating circumstances). These quorum / complete lack of participation issues are not solved by waiting for the next election, and I wonder if we can clarify/enact this now, per our own SLOBS decision of 2010/2011. What's the presumed calculus to replacing consistently absent board members, as we enacted by a 2/3 vote |
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of some such, since it rose to a "constitutional-level" decision? |
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walterbender |
CanoeBerry, Let's make a list of questions for the committee to ponder |
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I can compile a list of board meeting attendance over the past two years |
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gonzalo_ |
CanoeBerry, is a different topic, but I was thinking that for a while. there are members who just dissapear |
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CanoeBerry |
A "constitutional" decision was made, we just need to enforce it. |
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walterbender |
CanoeBerry, fine with me |
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icarito |
walterbender, that will be useful |
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gonzalo_ |
CanoeBerry, is 2/3 of total or 2/3 of present? |
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walterbender |
icarito, will try to get to it this week |
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CanoeBerry |
gonzalo_: Good question: 2/3 of total I believe. |
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icarito |
walterbender, it would also be useful to get access to the full membership list including emails |
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walterbender |
icarito, it is in a google doc. I think I can add you guys (will try) |
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otherwise I think bernie can |
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icarito |
sebastianfuentelibre.org is associated to a google account |
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gonzalo_ |
icarito, you talked about update that list, right? |
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walterbender |
we have a volunteer who maintains the list |
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CanoeBerry |
Another option to streamline interim elections would be to use result of the most recent election (if there were enough surplus candidates!) |
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icarito |
as per https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/[…]ng_for_membership , it would be good to make sure all emails to memberssugarlabs.org have been processed |
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gonzalo_ |
icarito, what is the plan? |
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walterbender |
needs to go in a few minutes |
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gonzalo_ |
no problem |
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walterbender |
any other topics for tonight? |
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Claudia_ <Claudia_!~webchatrev-18-85-44-69.sugarlabs.org> has joined #sugar-meeting |
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Claudia_ |
Hello |
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gonzalo_ |
icarito, could you propose a plan for the tasks needed to prepare the election? |
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hello Claudia_ :) |
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Claudia_ |
sorry.. I am a few min late |
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icarito |
gonzalo_, looking for the backlink, the plan is pretty much what we shared in the "Will anything change this time" thread |
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CanoeBerry |
Which election(s) is also an open question.. |
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gonzalo_ |
Claudia_, wrong time zone :) we started one hour ago |
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icarito |
CanoeBerry, yes |
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our general plan is the same as last year, we need to make a survey of members |
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Claudia_ |
oh... |
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icarito |
we can ask them then |
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we will |
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walterbender |
Claudia_, are you in Colombia? |
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Claudia_ |
so sorry |
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walterbender |
or Boston? |
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Claudia_ |
no.. I am in Boston |
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I saw the email, but I did not pay attention to the time, but in my calendar I have this time |
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I did not change my calendar after time changed |
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CanoeBerry |
Too late today, but if we had to pass constitutional-level decisions on how exactly to proceduralize replacement of board members, we now have 5-of-7 members present, hah |
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<Jose_Miguel-es> It changed the hour... :( |
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Claudia_ |
walterbender: welcome back |
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walterbender |
Claudia_, thx |
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Claudia_ |
I need to talk to you about NIC |
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walterbender |
Claudia_, I am in Needham tomorrow and Wednesday |
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but I could come to MIT on Thursday |
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Claudia_ |
we can talk on the phone tom |
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walterbender |
needs to go in 5 minutes |
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Claudia_ |
I promised ZT that I was going to call them |
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walterbender |
Claudia_, +1 |
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Claudia_ |
What time are you going to Needham tom? |
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walterbender |
all day |
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Claudia_ |
what time can we talk? |
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walterbender |
early afternoon? |
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Claudia_ |
ok |
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walterbender |
needs to run... |
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Claudia_ |
text me when the bb is taking a nap |
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walterbender |
will do |
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good night all |
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thanks for attending |
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Claudia_ |
apologies again for the time issue |
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icarito |
walterbender, do we have a decision? |
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maybe since Claudia_ and CanoeBerry are here |
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walterbender |
icarito, yes |
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icarito |
they can vote |
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CanoeBerry, I hear you |
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walterbender |
icarito, CanoeBerry votes yes |
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icarito |
ah ok |
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walterbender |
Claudia_, can you read the backlog and vote by email? |
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I'll ping cjl and danielf by email |
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but the motion passed |
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icarito |
it was not clear to me from reading him ;-) |
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happens to me with CanoeBerry sometimes |
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Claudia_ |
ok |
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walterbender |
icarito, with all of us :) |
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so... I will end the formal meeting now... apologies, but I need to go back to babysitting tonight |
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#end-meeting |
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