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Meeting started Tue Jan 13 23:03:10 2015 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting |
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Jm__ <Jm__!~webchat rev-18-85-44-69.sugarlabs.org> has joined #sugar-meeting |
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walterbender |
Sorry that we are so late in the month with the meeting. |
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circumstances... |
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gonzalo_ |
no your fault :) |
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walterbender |
anyway, I'd like to put in the official minutes that I am a new grandfather :) |
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baby girl yesterday :) |
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meeting |
<JoseMiguel-es> Congratulations! |
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walterbender |
I am lobbying to call her Sugar :) |
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gonzalo_ |
ha ha |
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walterbender |
don't think I'll win that one :P |
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so... let's get started |
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#topic GCI |
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We are in the last week of Google Code In. |
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We've had 55 students participate this year. |
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more than 250 tasks completed |
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sdanielf |
number of students is wrowing |
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walterbender |
lots of bugs fixed |
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gonzalo_ |
impresive year |
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walterbender |
and some nice new directions as well |
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sdanielf |
number of tasks per student looks like it has grown too |
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walterbender |
I've gotten lots of help from the students on the Javascript code |
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sdanielf, yes... |
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some new blood doing really good work |
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CanoeBerry <CanoeBerry!~CanoeBerr41.215.169.96> has joined #sugar-meeting |
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walterbender |
we delayed the bug freeze for the new release to take advantage of GCI |
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gonzalo_ |
hello CanoeBerry |
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walterbender |
so the new release will be even better because of the effort of our contestants |
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CanoeBerry |
Hi from a rought connection in Ghana. |
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walterbender |
and thanks very much to our mentors |
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sdanielf |
walterbender: anyway, it was more stressfull 2 years ago when there was a short time to complete a task, too much more action |
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walterbender |
sdanielf, we learned a lot since then how to do this |
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learned some more this year |
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if we do it again next year I have a few suggestions to google as well |
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we had some nice tasks from Mariah in the outreach section |
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and more interesting "beginning" tasks |
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gonzalo_ |
walterbender, is Mariah mentoring these tasks? |
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sdanielf |
walterbender: would be good to suggest to accept mentors under 18 |
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walterbender |
sdanielf, I tried... |
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but Google won't do it because of the lawyers |
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gonzalo_ |
i didn't see interaction |
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walterbender |
gonzalo_, she did a lot early, but she just got a new job and got distracted :P |
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gonzalo_ |
sdanielf, I already said that on google last year |
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walterbender |
we did get good help from Quozl` and some others |
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and once again, good help from some of the students for other students |
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but we are still thin on mentors |
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sdanielf |
well, I'm not always on IRC, but I received some questions by personal messages |
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walterbender |
we need more (as gonzalo_ predicted) |
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sdanielf, yes... I get *lots* of questions in google chat |
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I try to encourage them to go to IRC |
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gonzalo_ |
walterbender, reflect the number of active developers .... |
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walterbender |
gonzalo_, yes |
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a bit of a chicken and egg |
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Quozl` |
. |
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walterbender |
despite all, I think it is a net positive for us. |
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any other comments/feedback re GCI? |
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should point out that once again, a large talent pool in .UY :) |
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sdanielf |
yes: walterbender, I think you should assign tasks after students contact their mentors |
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gonzalo_ |
we can see also how has improved the quality in kids who have participated in the previous years |
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walterbender |
sdanielf, interesting |
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If we had more mentors it may be possible |
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gonzalo_ |
sdanielf, can you explain? |
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sdanielf |
and in the description of tasks say any instruction like "Get on touch by IRC" or "Contact your mentor by email.." |
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walterbender |
but if a mentor is unavailable for a few days -- it happens -- then it is seen as a real roadblock by the students |
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there was a "complaint" by one of the participants about having to wait too long for feedback. |
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I've tried to be responsive but at the same time, make sure the appropriate mentor is in the loop. |
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Quozl`, can you paste your suggestion in this channel? |
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Quozl` |
walterbender: you might add all mentors to a mailing list and distribute the load of initial response. [wasn't sure if i had right to speak] |
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sdanielf |
Sugar IRC channel is too few for all the students making questions in the same time |
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walterbender |
I should have made a more strict schedule to keep coverage 24/7 |
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we did have a mentor in India this year to help with some issues of timezones |
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gonzalo_ |
walterbender, is unreal have mentors 24/7 |
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walterbender |
gonzalo_, maybe not 24, but 7, we do need |
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but reviews take time |
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gonzalo_ |
most of the students want a reply at irc _now_, few of the tried send a email to the mailing list |
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walterbender |
and that is a difficult concept for the students |
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sdanielf |
do you think there is a way to get the community into different channels acording to topics? in other organizations it is easier to find help from someone in the community who isn't a mentor |
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walterbender |
I should point out that there are many participant who do it to have fun and learn and contribute |
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but some who really want to win the trip to Google |
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some both |
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so, without mentioning names, we have a few students who are fine working on challenges, while others are more frenetic in their behavior |
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Quozl` |
giggles |
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walterbender |
sdanielf, too many channels is just spreading us thinner |
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anyway... good to record some observations now, while fresh. |
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in case we choose to do this again next year. |
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shall we move on? |
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sdanielf |
+1 |
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walterbender |
#topic Membership/elections |
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We need to figure out what to do about this board |
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we did not hold an election in December because we have no candidates |
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I can only assume that either: |
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(1) it is a thankless job |
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(2) it is a toothless board |
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<JoseMiguel-es> Claudia and Daniel manifested that it interested them follow... |
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walterbender |
JM: yes, but they did not add their names to http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/O[…]4-2015-candidates |
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No one did :( |
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gonzalo_ |
me neither |
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<JoseMiguel-es> :( |
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gonzalo_ |
we should fire our self by lazy |
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<JoseMiguel-es> ;) |
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walterbender |
lazy is not the word I would have chosen |
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but it is not a priority :P |
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we are all really busy |
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and to a large extent things run themselves |
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no big decisions to make |
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which I suppose is a good thing |
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gonzalo_ |
walterbender, well, i disagree |
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walterbender |
gonzalo_, I was about to say that we face some big changes |
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and we'll need a board of advisors to help us with these changes |
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gonzalo_ |
walterbender, I think one problem is we didn't find the way to take decisions |
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walterbender |
what needs to be decided? |
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gonzalo_ |
walterbender, by example what prioritize or how make a transition from sugar to other devices |
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walterbender, how improve our communication |
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marketing, alliances |
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walterbender |
gonzalo_, I think that those are all important issues |
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sdanielf |
I think we started to communicate better when organizing the Youth Summit |
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walterbender |
and we have been lazy about addressing them |
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but not because of communication |
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gonzalo_ |
walterbender, i know we are not a executive board, but in fact we don't have a executive board, then, someone should take decisions |
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CanoeBerry |
I am sad we didn't find a way to better engage Chris Leonard around his passions for translation/localization so soon after he was re-elected, writing a very strong statement of his commitments upon re-election just a year ago: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/U[…]ndidate_Statement |
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walterbender |
but because of how we (/me) prioritizes our time. |
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CanoeBerry, I think the issue with CJL is on a personal level to do with his job situation |
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gonzalo_, I think we need to discuss strategy |
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and we tend to discuss tactics |
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right back |
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gonzalo_ |
walterbender, +1 we need discuss strategy |
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walterbender |
back |
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sorry... crazy here |
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gonzalo_ |
i think we was operative when we needed work (two releases, one international event, the background contest) but we need find the way to stop and do strategic thinking |
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time is clocking against us |
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walterbender |
yes |
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gonzalo_ |
inertia do not help |
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walterbender |
and, for example, I have an NSF grant due Thursday and too many distractions to finish it :P |
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we do need to figure out a model for long-term (even short-term) sustainability for our core development team |
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gonzalo_ |
yes |
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Quozl` |
the sudden unexplained loss of daniel narvaez was a shocker. |
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gonzalo_ |
and we need set (ad respect) priorities |
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Quozl`, and still is unexplained |
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walterbender |
without it, and without a clear market focus, we will be irrelevant despite the quality of our work |
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Quozl`, I reached out to him many times... nada |
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very out of character |
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Quozl` |
walterbender: thanks. |
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gonzalo_ |
Quozl`, even he stop participating in github ... https://github.com/dnarvaez |
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Quozl` |
yes, it was classic under the bus scenario, but i mention it for sustainability of development team; must avoid single point of failure. (and i'm a SPOF for olpc, i can feel it in my bones). |
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walterbender |
I think to understand our future we need to assess where our key stakeholders are heading |
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Quozl`, to be frank, as much as I love OLPC XO, we need to think about what is next |
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Quozl` |
i think the key stakeholders can't be trusted to indicate their heading, they would need to be approached and sampled. while a guess might be "android, sugar-web", we can't know that without looking carefully. |
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walterbender |
Quozl`, I agree that they don't really know, even if they think that they know |
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we need to lead them |
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but it is difficult without good channels of communication |
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Quozl` |
(i think education research might give some ideas. a key idea i came across yesterday is that it doesn't seem to matter what tech is used, (paper, audio, video, interactives) what matters is teacher vs student. support that relationship, and good will come of it.) |
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walterbender |
we have essentially no communication to our "customers" through OLPC |
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Quozl` |
yes, and i'd add that as OLPC we have essentially no communication with our customers much either. just bids, orders, responses. |
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gonzalo_ |
Quozl`, +1, and think technology will substitute people (read teachers) is dumb |
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walterbender |
+1 but |
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Quozl` |
our customers now think they know better. |
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which means OLPC was not leading. but sugar labs can., |
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gonzalo_ |
they see the market |
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walterbender |
we have a diverse customer base |
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I have no idea at all what they think in Rwanda, for example |
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or today in Peru |
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I think I know what AU is attempting to do |
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how to stay relevant and head down the right path is what we need to put our efforts behind |
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gonzalo_ |
walterbender, then, if we think is important to know what the deployments think we need a strategy to do that. we discussed this one year ago, but we didn't moved |
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walterbender, maybe we need propose a task, found a responsible and organize it |
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walterbender |
maybe we need to meet together (in UY most likely) face to face |
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gonzalo_ |
+1 |
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walterbender |
I could do in February. |
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I don't think I could before then. |
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sdanielf |
that would be nice |
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gonzalo_ |
i can at end of february |
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walterbender |
let's agree to do it (and use some travel money)? |
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we have some $ from google from last year's GCI that is available |
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and from GCOS from this year |
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gonzalo_ |
we need contact to all the slobs members |
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walterbender |
^GSoC^ |
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CanoeBerry |
Thanks all for pushing..after midnight here in Ghana where we rise very early. |
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walterbender |
I'll do that by email, but can we vote now to do it or not? |
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gonzalo_ |
walterbender, +1 from my part |
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walterbender |
+1 from me |
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sdanielf |
+1 |
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meeting |
<JoseMiguel-es> +1 |
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gonzalo_ |
walterbender, we have 2 embers in UY , 1 in ARG, and 3 in USA? |
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walterbender |
yes |
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gonzalo_ |
CanoeBerry, where will be you in February? |
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walterbender |
we could do it without too much money |
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and it is very important |
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I'll send email and set up a doodle to find some dates |
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gonzalo_ |
great |
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walterbender, no turtleart those days :) |
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walterbender |
gonzalo_, maybe before or after, but no distractions |
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<JoseMiguel-es> No in February... |
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gonzalo_ |
:) |
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walterbender |
OK. I'll follow up with an email tonight. |
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walterbender |
Quozl`, wanna join us :) |
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Quozl` |
walterbender: sorry, i just don't fly. olpc would have loved me to do that. ;-) |
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gonzalo_ |
Quozl`, you can take a boat :) |
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walterbender |
Quozl`, your spirit will be present :P |
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Quozl` |
i'm a sailor. i know about boats. ;-) |
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walterbender |
Quozl`, living pretty landlocked at the moment. |
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Quozl` |
heh. |
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walterbender |
I need to get going... |
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I'll send an email tonight about scheduling our meeting |
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<JoseMiguel-es> *Ok |
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sdanielf |
this time we can make the meeting in UY, but we could meet in USA or AU another year ;) |
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gonzalo_ |
good |
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walterbender |
sdanielf, I am fine with having the meeting in Boston |
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if you can convince gonzalo_ and JM |
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everyone can stay at my house |
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gonzalo_ |
we should check the costs based in who will travel |
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meeting |
<JoseMiguel-es> ;) |
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walterbender |
gonzalo_, yes |
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sdanielf |
walterbender: papers for travelling to USA are not as easy as a passport to enter to UY |
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walterbender |
sdanielf, yes... it takes some time |
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meeting |
<JoseMiguel-es> Already I have papers... ;) |
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gonzalo_ |
sdanielf, do you have visa to USA? |
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sdanielf |
gonzalo_: no, I've only got the passport |
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gonzalo_ |
ok, something to have in account |
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walterbender |
OK... to be continued in the email thread |
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I need to sign off for a couple of hours |
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gonzalo_ |
bye all |
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CanoeBerry |
gonzalo: am currently scheduled to be in the USA last 3 weeks Feb, but would like to talk regardless what materializes face2face, g'night all! |
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walterbender |
5 |
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gonzalo_ |
4 |
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CanoeBerry |
3 |
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<JoseMiguel-es> 2 |
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sdanielf |
1 |
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walterbender |
thanks all |
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#end-meeting |
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