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| 23:12 |
meeting |
Meeting started Thu Apr 17 23:12:23 2014 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 23:12 |
Claudia__ |
hello |
| 23:12 |
meeting |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting |
| 23:12 |
Gonzalo |
hello Claudia! |
| 23:12 |
walterbender |
welcome everyone |
| 23:12 |
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finally we managed to meet this month |
| 23:12 |
Claudia__ |
thanks.. hello everyone |
| 23:12 |
walterbender |
it has been very busy |
| 23:13 |
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let me start with a quick GSoC update |
| 23:13 |
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Sugar Labs was awarded 9 slots |
| 23:13 |
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it is a lot considering we have a small team |
| 23:13 |
Claudia__ |
oh wow! |
| 23:13 |
ElVerma |
awesome! |
| 23:13 |
walterbender |
I assigned the preliminary set of mentor/student pairing today |
| 23:14 |
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ElVerma, wanna be a mentor? please please please? |
| 23:14 |
Gonzalo |
walterbender: sameer is on the phone now |
| 23:14 |
walterbender |
we have Tony doing TurtleArt 3D (I will help) |
| 23:14 |
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sdanielf <sdanielf!~webchat rev-18-85-44-69.sugarlabs.org> has joined #sugar-meeting |
| 23:14 |
Gonzalo |
walterbender: have we a chat with mentors scheduled? |
| 23:14 |
walterbender |
we have Gonzalo doing Music Suite |
| 23:15 |
sdanielf |
Hi all |
| 23:15 |
ElVerma |
I'd be happy to try :-) |
| 23:15 |
walterbender |
Gonzalo, not yet... I need to go to a GSoC meeting tomorrow and then I will organize it |
| 23:15 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> Hello! Daniel! |
| 23:15 |
walterbender |
ElVerma, great... could use a few more hands |
| 23:16 |
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please sign up at https://www.google-melange.com[…]d/google/gsoc2014 |
| 23:16 |
sdanielf |
got confused with the EST time |
| 23:16 |
walterbender |
and then request a role with Sugar Labs |
| 23:16 |
ElVerma |
walterbender, I'll ask gonzalo for a crash course on mentoring |
| 23:16 |
Gonzalo |
hi sdanielf |
| 23:16 |
walterbender |
sdanielf, it is very confusing with all the daylight savings |
| 23:16 |
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to continue |
| 23:17 |
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Lionel will mentor a Javascript-related project |
| 23:17 |
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Steve from Etoys will mentor a sensor project... a little far afield, but a nice project |
| 23:18 |
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dnarvaez, will mentor a project for writing unit tests for activities |
| 23:18 |
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I'll mentor the bulletin board project |
| 23:18 |
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Paul Cotton from OLPC AU will mentor the sharing project |
| 23:18 |
Claudia__ |
can unfinished projects be continued? |
| 23:18 |
walterbender |
and Sameer can mentor Python3 |
| 23:19 |
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Oh, Tincho is mentoring the speech IO project |
| 23:19 |
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so good stuff |
| 23:19 |
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Claudia__, you would be very welcome to work with Paul to help shape the project |
| 23:20 |
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I'll write up more details in a Sugar Digest report over the next few days |
| 23:20 |
Claudia__ |
walterbender: would the start from zero, or continue the project where it was left? |
| 23:20 |
Gonzalo |
walterbender: what is the sharing project? |
| 23:21 |
sdanielf |
I see many interesting features in the list |
| 23:21 |
walterbender |
Claudia__, I think we'll learn from the past but probably make a new effort using more off the shelf pieces |
| 23:21 |
Gonzalo |
walterbender: we need organize a mentors meeting |
| 23:21 |
walterbender |
I agree about a mentor's meeting |
| 23:21 |
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will be early next week (after Easter) |
| 23:21 |
Gonzalo |
walterbender: do you already picked the students? |
| 23:22 |
walterbender |
the students get informed on Monday I think |
| 23:22 |
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Gonzalo, well, mostly |
| 23:22 |
Gonzalo |
ok |
| 23:22 |
walterbender |
we can still make some last minute changes tonight |
| 23:22 |
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Gonzalo, I consulted with individual mentors about their preferences |
| 23:23 |
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you can see the details in https://www.google-melange.com[…]d/google/gsoc2014 |
| 23:23 |
Gonzalo |
walterbender: thanks for doing all this work, and sorry for not supporting more |
| 23:23 |
walterbender |
Gonzalo, the real work is about to begin |
| 23:23 |
Gonzalo |
i am trying to do a good job as embassador here |
| 23:23 |
walterbender |
meanwhile, gonzalo wrote up a nice trip report about GCI |
| 23:24 |
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and Manuq wrote up notes from the Paris Sugar Camp |
| 23:24 |
Claudia__ |
Gonzalo: I am glad you manage to accompany the kids |
| 23:24 |
walterbender |
other things to note: |
| 23:24 |
Gonzalo |
Claudia__: was a very nice experience |
| 23:24 |
walterbender |
Claudia__, and I are writing a paper with Cynthia Solomon on Turtle Art |
| 23:25 |
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Bernie and I are running a Turtle Art Day in Nepal in May |
| 23:25 |
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and I am giving the keynote at a big Telmex-sponsored conference in MX next weekend |
| 23:26 |
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tch and gonzalo have prepared images of Sugar 102 for testing... it is looking really nice |
| 23:26 |
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that is my news... |
| 23:26 |
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but we have many other topics to discuss |
| 23:26 |
Gonzalo |
walterbender: i have news to share |
| 23:27 |
walterbender |
please chime in (and then I would like to talk about the Youth Summit) |
| 23:27 |
Gonzalo |
great |
| 23:27 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> If... |
| 23:27 |
walterbender |
Gonzalo, you have the floor |
| 23:27 |
Gonzalo |
i alkready reported about GCI, the other part I didnt reported yet, was the participation on OLPC SF meeting |
| 23:28 |
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and the talks we had with Sameer |
| 23:28 |
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OLPC SF is interested in align more the October summit with sugarlabs |
| 23:28 |
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maybe doing some hacking sessions |
| 23:29 |
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also, we was thinking about bhow we (slobs) and the community can rethink/review our mission/vision |
| 23:29 |
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with the change in situation of olpc |
| 23:30 |
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this need more thinking, (and collab9rative thinking) |
| 23:30 |
walterbender |
+1 |
| 23:30 |
sdanielf |
+1 |
| 23:30 |
Gonzalo |
I will write some mails to kick the ball |
| 23:30 |
walterbender |
ultimately Sugar is what the community make of it |
| 23:30 |
Gonzalo |
yes, but we need a direction |
| 23:30 |
Claudia__ |
sounds good |
| 23:30 |
walterbender |
I don't know if I have said to this group, but OLPC AU is very serious about building a new machine |
| 23:31 |
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I have been working with Wad (the lead engineer on the XO) on some preliminary designs |
| 23:31 |
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it will be a Sugar machine |
| 23:32 |
ElVerma |
if olpcsf is to stay relevant, we have to look beyond the XO, and see where Sugar takes us, be it another machine, a browser, or something else. |
| 23:32 |
Claudia__ |
+1 |
| 23:32 |
Gonzalo |
_really_ great, but that don't change the fact SugarLabs need rethink the future and have a more strategic work |
| 23:32 |
walterbender |
ElVerma, probably all three |
| 23:32 |
ElVerma |
fantastic! |
| 23:32 |
Gonzalo |
i had a meeting this morning with wikimedia education team |
| 23:32 |
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they are very interested in work with us, even founding specific projects |
| 23:33 |
walterbender |
any topical areas? |
| 23:33 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> Excellent! |
| 23:33 |
Gonzalo |
yes |
| 23:33 |
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they have material for teachers, to use wikipedia in class |
| 23:33 |
Claudia__ |
yes, couse we need a resource page, as well as project sharing one |
| 23:33 |
Gonzalo |
are interested inb support different types of offline wikipedias (like us) |
| 23:34 |
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and are interested in get information about the use of wikipedia, that can be used with our metadata collectin |
| 23:34 |
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(and can help us to improve wikipedia) |
| 23:35 |
walterbender |
big topic |
| 23:35 |
Gonzalo |
also they can contact us with volunteers from specific languages to help us to curate the offline versions, that was a limitatiobn in the past to create the activities |
| 23:35 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> In Uruguay is developing an important project of Wikipedia in Education |
| 23:35 |
walterbender |
IMHO, wikipedia can be a data repository as much as an article repository... lots of possibilities there |
| 23:36 |
Gonzalo |
J_M_Garcia, I would like to know more about that |
| 23:36 |
walterbender |
me too |
| 23:36 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> It is a work with educational training, for *incentivar to the professors to the use of *wikipedia |
| 23:37 |
Gonzalo |
another topic we was discussing with ElVerma was the creation of library.sugarlas.org |
| 23:37 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> They are increasing the quantity of *wikipedistas |
| 23:37 |
sdanielf |
I remember there were talks for teachers from the Wikipedia foundation |
| 23:37 |
Gonzalo |
olpc sf is woprking actively in the Pathagar server |
| 23:38 |
walterbender |
yes... I follow that project closely |
| 23:38 |
Gonzalo |
have a active i8nstance with curated material is a good idea for the smalll projects they sponsor too |
| 23:38 |
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we discused this many times, we only needed some brave to take the role :) |
| 23:39 |
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finally, tomorow we will go to internet archive offices |
| 23:39 |
ElVerma |
Gonzalo and I are headed to Internet Archive tomorrow to get some collaborative help from them. They've been very helpful with pathagar. archive.org likes OPDS projects :-) |
| 23:39 |
Gonzalo |
will see what can we doi :) |
| 23:39 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> http://eduwiki.me |
| 23:39 |
walterbender |
give my regards to Brewster |
| 23:39 |
ElVerma |
walterbender, will do :-) |
| 23:40 |
Gonzalo |
i finished, questions? :) |
| 23:40 |
walterbender |
Jose Miguel: nice to see music as part of the program :) |
| 23:40 |
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Gonzalo, lots to think about |
| 23:41 |
Gonzalo |
yes |
| 23:41 |
walterbender |
any comments for now? or shall we discuss the Youth Summit now? |
| 23:41 |
Gonzalo |
ahh, i forgot the creation of a sugarlabs youtube channel :) |
| 23:42 |
walterbender |
we have a DailyMotion channel almost unused for 4 years |
| 23:42 |
Gonzalo |
walterbender: please go |
| 23:42 |
Claudia__ |
Gonzalo: you sound excited.. thanks for being a great ambassador |
| 23:42 |
walterbender |
Gonzalo, your new videos are very nice |
| 23:42 |
Gonzalo |
walterbender: Daily MOtion? what is that? :) |
| 23:42 |
walterbender |
we need many many more |
| 23:42 |
Claudia__ |
I agree |
| 23:42 |
walterbender |
Gonzalo, an alternative to YouTube that supports ogv uploads |
| 23:42 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> Of agreement! |
| 23:43 |
Gonzalo |
walterbender: yeah, was a joke :) |
| 23:43 |
walterbender |
didn't see the :) |
| 23:43 |
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long day :) |
| 23:43 |
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and still a call to AU this evening |
| 23:43 |
sdanielf |
What about storing videos in SL servers? |
| 23:43 |
Gonzalo |
sdanielf: the issue is how expose this to people |
| 23:44 |
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is like have our own git server or have github |
| 23:44 |
ElVerma |
sdanielf, youtube is fo strategic importance from a visibility standpoint. Those who don't know about SL will be able to find out much more. |
| 23:44 |
sdanielf |
github is more a workflow advantage |
| 23:44 |
Gonzalo |
we need go where the people is, not pretend they will go to our place |
| 23:45 |
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| 23:45 |
Gonzalo |
well, a question is why we want publish videos, we want people see them? |
| 23:45 |
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hi cjl! |
| 23:45 |
sdanielf |
Maybe Youtube will be a good way to post videos, but you'll need to post them in OGV format elsewere |
| 23:45 |
cjl |
hi Gonzalo |
| 23:45 |
ElVerma |
youtube does webm |
| 23:45 |
Claudia__ |
Gonzalo: +1 |
| 23:46 |
ElVerma |
can we playback webm? |
| 23:46 |
Gonzalo |
sdanielf: yeah, no problem with posting them in other place _too_ if somebody will do it |
| 23:46 |
sdanielf |
actually Youtube doesn't provide an official way to download them, that's less freedom |
| 23:47 |
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Gonzalo: I watched some of the videos you posted |
| 23:47 |
walterbender |
I think we need to put things in many places |
| 23:47 |
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but we should move on to the Youth Summit |
| 23:47 |
Gonzalo |
sdanielf: ok,, we can discuss this by mail, but we need think about _why_ we want publish videos, and find the way to achive that |
| 23:48 |
walterbender |
sdanielf, jose miguel: we need to start getting to the details |
| 23:48 |
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when/who/where |
| 23:48 |
sdanielf |
walterbender: alright |
| 23:48 |
Claudia__ |
Youth summit? |
| 23:48 |
walterbender |
sdanielf, you should share the rms manifesto with SLOBs |
| 23:48 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> *ANEP Has a lot of interest in doing it in Uruguay |
| 23:48 |
walterbender |
JMGarcia, I think that makes sense |
| 23:49 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> ? |
| 23:49 |
walterbender |
would like to bring a few kids from .PY and maybe .AR |
| 23:49 |
sdanielf |
walterbender: I will transcribe last emails and share the updated document by email |
| 23:49 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> If, we are arming a document, but need to know how many boys would be |
| 23:50 |
walterbender |
JMGarcia, we can be flexible... as many as we can budget |
| 23:50 |
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but we can set a precedent and grow the event over time |
| 23:50 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> We can transact the *estadía... |
| 23:50 |
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<J_M_Garcia-es> Of agreement... |
| 23:50 |
walterbender |
the quantity and quality of youth contribution to Sugar continues to grow |
| 23:51 |
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amazing contributions to Sugar 102 |
| 23:51 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> There is interest in gathering to the youngsters, and also in exciting to others... |
| 23:51 |
sdanielf |
that are great news |
| 23:51 |
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is getting old |
| 23:51 |
walterbender |
when should we do it? what is a good time considering the school year in Sur? |
| 23:52 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> September or October would be well... |
| 23:52 |
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<J_M_Garcia-es> No further... |
| 23:52 |
walterbender |
thinks he has a few years on the rest of you |
| 23:52 |
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let's try for September |
| 23:52 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> If |
| 23:52 |
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<J_M_Garcia-es> *Yes |
| 23:53 |
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<J_M_Garcia-es> How many could come of other countries? 50? 100? |
| 23:53 |
Gonzalo |
i would think 20-30? |
| 23:53 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> We think in spaces of work and workshops advanced... |
| 23:54 |
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<J_M_Garcia-es> And also in spaces for novices |
| 23:54 |
Gonzalo |
walterbender: what number are you pointing? |
| 23:54 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> How many there is in Uruguay? |
| 23:54 |
walterbender |
JMGarcia, I think that number is too many |
| 23:54 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> That they are working with *Sugar? |
| 23:55 |
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<J_M_Garcia-es> 30? |
| 23:55 |
walterbender |
I think we could do that |
| 23:55 |
Gonzalo |
a bigger number is to difficult for a hands on event |
| 23:56 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> *Ok |
| 23:56 |
Gonzalo |
we need think about how bring our 5 gci finalist there |
| 23:56 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> They know how many youngsters are working with *SUgar in Uruguay? |
| 23:56 |
Gonzalo |
sdanielf: ? |
| 23:56 |
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20? |
| 23:57 |
walterbender |
Gonzalo, +1 |
| 23:57 |
sdanielf |
Python Joven can bring about 20 members |
| 23:57 |
walterbender |
maybe 10 from Caacupe |
| 23:57 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> Here already they go 30... |
| 23:57 |
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<J_M_Garcia-es> Of other sides? |
| 23:58 |
Gonzalo |
i think between 5 and 10, but willl depend on founding |
| 23:58 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> Step afterwards by mail some ideas, to go concretising... |
| 23:59 |
walterbender |
I hope to renew the Trip Advisor grant |
| 23:59 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> Then 50 it does not seem too much... |
| 23:59 |
Gonzalo |
i suppose w can ask olpc au, about sponsoring sam |
| 23:59 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> 20 *UY, 10 *PY, 5 *gci finalists... |
| 00:00 |
Claudia__ |
what about sponsoring a few spots for kids from different parts of the world? |
| 00:00 |
Gonzalo |
Claudia__: would be ideal |
| 00:00 |
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we need find the right sponsors |
| 00:00 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> +1 |
| 00:00 |
walterbender |
maybe some from Chia, Chachapoyas, etc |
| 00:01 |
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I think I could use TA $ if the grant comes through again |
| 00:01 |
Claudia__ |
JuJunior summit at Media Lab type of event |
| 00:01 |
walterbender |
Claudia__, yes |
| 00:02 |
Claudia__ |
Cost Rica? |
| 00:02 |
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they may sponsor the kid |
| 00:03 |
walterbender |
yes |
| 00:03 |
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lets set some dates |
| 00:03 |
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make a rough agenda |
| 00:04 |
Gonzalo |
yes |
| 00:04 |
walterbender |
and start to spread the word |
| 00:04 |
Claudia__ |
I like the concept of Global Shapers by WEF |
| 00:04 |
walterbender |
Claudia__, maybe we can announce it at the next learning chat too |
| 00:04 |
Claudia__ |
we need to organize the ideas, but yes |
| 00:05 |
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What type of activities would they do that is not scaring girls... and could help them make a different back in their countries |
| 00:06 |
Gonzalo |
why scaring girls? |
| 00:07 |
Claudia__ |
I don't know enough.. I am just saying |
| 00:08 |
walterbender |
actions: can JMGarcia and sdanielf decide on the dates |
| 00:08 |
Claudia__ |
I hope we can think about empowering activities |
| 00:08 |
walterbender |
and we can all contribute activity ideas |
| 00:08 |
Gonzalo |
in september, right? |
| 00:08 |
sdanielf |
yes |
| 00:08 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> *Ok |
| 00:09 |
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<J_M_Garcia-es> September can be well |
| 00:09 |
walterbender |
I will start looking into some funding possibilities from Trip Advisor |
| 00:09 |
Gonzalo |
ok, please start a mail and we can discuss it offline |
| 00:09 |
walterbender |
OK |
| 00:09 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> *Ok |
| 00:09 |
walterbender |
anything else for today to discuss as a group? |
| 00:09 |
Claudia__ |
nope |
| 00:10 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> In Montevideo? Or somewhere more separated? |
| 00:10 |
Claudia__ |
but let's make sure we recruit girls |
| 00:10 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> In accordance with Claudia! |
| 00:10 |
walterbender |
Claudia__, yes... we fell short in that regard for GSoC |
| 00:10 |
sdanielf |
JMGarcia: Montevideo will be better for hosting international atendees |
| 00:10 |
Gonzalo |
yes, we need think about that |
| 00:10 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> *Ok |
| 00:10 |
Gonzalo |
yes, Mvd would be ok |
| 00:11 |
Claudia__ |
thanks w |
| 00:11 |
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thanks walterbender |
| 00:11 |
walterbender |
the place is less important than the people |
| 00:11 |
sdanielf |
Claudia__: We don't understand the psycology of a girl, maybe you can help us |
| 00:11 |
Gonzalo |
haha |
| 00:11 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> :) |
| 00:11 |
walterbender |
after almost 60 years, I still don't :) |
| 00:11 |
Gonzalo |
sdanielf: you willl spent a live trying :) |
| 00:12 |
Claudia__ |
I am wondering why Gonzalo even asked... scaring girls? |
| 00:12 |
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after these few comments |
| 00:12 |
Gonzalo |
Claudia__: just because of your comment :) |
| 00:12 |
Claudia__ |
so I was right! |
| 00:12 |
sdanielf |
I think there are girls interested in education, but not many interested in technology... something we can do? |
| 00:13 |
Claudia__ |
have role models, first |
| 00:13 |
cjl |
GNOME does a lot of outreach to women |
| 00:13 |
Claudia__ |
great topic for the chat |
| 00:13 |
meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> *Yes! |
| 00:14 |
Claudia__ |
love it |
| 00:14 |
walterbender |
we should talk to karen sandler |
| 00:14 |
Gonzalo |
I think is interesting look at what the project Alice did. they found girls are more interest in use tools to tell something they care about |
| 00:14 |
Claudia__ |
yeap |
| 00:14 |
Gonzalo |
boys are happy to use the tools, just because the tools are cool |
| 00:14 |
Claudia__ |
Global shapers recruits both boys and girls... |
| 00:15 |
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we could do that and then have a tech component |
| 00:15 |
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but if we make it about programing Sugar and fixing bugs.. things were males are already dominant, they may not give it a chance |
| 00:16 |
walterbender |
there are plenty of women as role models in .UY |
| 00:16 |
Gonzalo |
if we are serious about this, we would set a minimum number of girls we want invite to the youth event |
| 00:16 |
sdanielf |
Gonzalo: do you think they are going to distract the boys? |
| 00:16 |
Claudia__ |
we should start by creating a very attractive program and not recruit the girls that would fit the program we already have |
| 00:17 |
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I have to go... |
| 00:17 |
Gonzalo |
i don't think so. i think if we dont propose it, we will have alll boys |
| 00:17 |
Claudia__ |
let's be serious about it |
| 00:17 |
walterbender |
sdanielf, recall that I asked you and aguz to teach your girlfriends Python |
| 00:17 |
Gonzalo |
Claudia__: you are right, of course |
| 00:17 |
walterbender |
we should pick up this thread in the email |
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Claudia__ |
ok |
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walterbender |
let's make this happen |
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Claudia__ |
great to see you all |
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bye |
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meeting |
<J_M_Garcia-es> Goodbye! |
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walterbender |
maybe in Sept. in .UY and at MIT in the following April |
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Gonzalo |
good bye! |
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walterbender |
thanks everyone |
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ElVerma |
later... |
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walterbender |
good evening |
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