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| 14:02 |
meeting |
Meeting started Wed Feb 5 14:02:12 2014 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting |
| 14:03 |
walterbender |
I'd like to begin with a quick summary of GCI and then jump into GSoC |
| 14:03 |
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#GSoC |
| 14:03 |
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We had a remarkably productive experience with Google Code In. |
| 14:03 |
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Congratulations to Ignacio and Jorge, our grand prize winners |
| 14:03 |
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but all of the finalists were great. |
| 14:04 |
meeting |
<JoseMiguel_UY-es> If, Walter. You had advanced something with the closing in the meeting of 6 January. And we follow slopes afterwards. |
| 14:04 |
walterbender |
lots of very useful patches |
| 14:04 |
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Gonzalo will join them at Google in April as our representative |
| 14:05 |
decause |
gonzalo_odiard++ |
| 14:05 |
walterbender |
We need to catch up with these kids: to finish reviewing their patches and get their work integrated |
| 14:05 |
meeting |
<JoseMiguel_UY-es> Excellent! |
| 14:05 |
walterbender |
It is hard for our small team to keep pace. |
| 14:05 |
gonzalo_odiard |
i hope is a good opportunity to talk with other project representatives |
| 14:05 |
walterbender |
Which brings me to the topic of Google Summer of Code |
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tch__ <tch__!~webchat rev-18-85-44-69.sugarlabs.org> has joined #sugar-meeting |
| 14:06 |
walterbender |
gonzalo_odiard: I think it will be fun and productive for you |
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(and be sure to look up rgs et al. in the Bay Area) |
| 14:06 |
gonzalo_odiard |
yeah |
| 14:07 |
walterbender |
But on to the next Google event. |
| 14:07 |
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We need to decide in the next few days whether or not to apply for Google Summer of Code again this year. |
| 14:08 |
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The applications are due next week |
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The pros: obviously another chance to attract new members to the community |
| 14:08 |
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and a chance to focus on some projects that have not been achieved on their own |
| 14:09 |
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We've been doing some brainstorming about some ideas |
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The cons: we want to make sure we offer a quality experience and with inadequate mentoring, we are just wasting resources |
| 14:10 |
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<JoseMiguel_UY-es> The proposals have to be presented now? |
| 14:10 |
walterbender |
GCI was great, but the burden of mentors was too concentrated on too few people |
| 14:11 |
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the proposal has to include some project ideas, which is easy, we have many, but also a plan for mentoring, which is where we have fallen short this past year |
| 14:11 |
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I am enthusiastic about going forward with our application, but only if I have real support from the community, not just talk but action. |
| 14:11 |
gonzalo_odiard |
walterbender, +1 |
| 14:12 |
walterbender |
So I propose we vet mentors now, before we apply, and only apply for as many slots as we have committed mentors |
| 14:13 |
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Gonzalo and I have been speaking to those who have done a good job in the past and so far we have: tch__ , lionel, manuq, and the two of us identified as mentors |
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There are some others who do a lot of mentoring, e.g., dnarvaez and alsroot, who generally chose not to be formally enrolled. |
| 14:14 |
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any other suggestiions as to whom we should reach out it would be most welcome. |
| 14:14 |
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but the free-for-all model doesn't work in my experience. |
| 14:15 |
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frankly, gonzalo_odiard, tch__ and I end up picking up the pieces and it is a lot of work for us |
| 14:15 |
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thoughts? comments? |
| 14:16 |
gonzalo_odiard |
sdanielf_, do you have time to help? |
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ClaudiaU_ <ClaudiaU_!~webchatrev-18-85-44-69.sugarlabs.org> has joined #sugar-meeting |
| 14:16 |
walterbender |
would like to attack the butia team to participate |
| 14:16 |
ClaudiaU_ |
hello walterbender |
| 14:16 |
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<JoseMiguel_UY-es> It is well have alternatives not to concentrate in few people. It is not my area, but perhaps with people of the *Ceibal *Jam? |
| 14:16 |
walterbender |
hi ClaudiaU_ |
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snowed in? |
| 14:17 |
ClaudiaU_ |
sorry I am late... |
| 14:17 |
gonzalo_odiard |
hi ClaudiaU_ |
| 14:17 |
ClaudiaU_ |
OMG.. so much snow |
| 14:17 |
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<JoseMiguel_UY-es> Hello Claudia! |
| 14:17 |
ClaudiaU_ |
hola gonzalo_odiard |
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hola JoseMiguel_UY-es |
| 14:18 |
sdanielf_ |
gonzalo_odiard: do you mean to help on next GSoC? |
| 14:18 |
gonzalo_odiard |
sdanielf_, yes |
| 14:18 |
walterbender |
ClaudiaU_: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]ng/meetings/today |
| 14:18 |
ClaudiaU_ |
thanks walterbender |
| 14:18 |
sdanielf_ |
gonzalo_odiard: Google does not allow me because of my age |
| 14:18 |
gonzalo_odiard |
sdanielf_, ou, right :/ |
| 14:18 |
walterbender |
agism |
| 14:19 |
meeting |
<JoseMiguel_UY-es> Which irony, no Daniel? |
| 14:19 |
gonzalo_odiard |
something to talk in SF |
| 14:19 |
walterbender |
In another topic for this morning, I want to bring in sdanielf_ 's talents |
| 14:19 |
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we should wrap this topic up... |
| 14:20 |
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I propose we do apply for GSoC, but we do so with more discipline than in the past |
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prasoon2211_ <prasoon2211_!d2d43a6fgateway/web/freenode/ip.210.212.58.111> has joined #sugar-meeting |
| 14:20 |
walterbender |
could we have a quick discussion and then vote on this? |
| 14:21 |
sdanielf_ |
walterbender: +1 |
| 14:21 |
gonzalo_odiard |
In particular, request less slots than the last year, and select projects thinking in easy integration with our stack |
| 14:21 |
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gonzalo_odiard, +1 |
| 14:22 |
walterbender |
I am not 100% convinced that integration with our stack is paramount. we can also use it to explore new directions |
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but focus and structure are critical |
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otherwise we waste everyone's time and opportunities for others |
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+1 from me for applying |
| 14:23 |
gonzalo_odiard |
walterbender, true, but in the past, these exploration projects finished unimplemented, because we don't have the resources to put them in production |
| 14:23 |
walterbender |
gonzalo_odiard: our research arm |
| 14:23 |
ClaudiaU_ |
+1 I am happy to provide complementary mentoring... to define projects, but most of the mentoring is technical |
| 14:24 |
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<JoseMiguel_UY-es> +1 Equal that Claudia, support to define projects and ideas. |
| 14:24 |
walterbender |
ClaudiaU_: yes... it tends to be technical, but having your input/feedback has been useful in the past |
| 14:24 |
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josemiguel: some project ideas would be great. |
| 14:25 |
ClaudiaU_ |
walterbender: I am happy to participate in the same capacity |
| 14:25 |
walterbender |
seems we have consensus |
| 14:25 |
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I'll prepare the application today (while I am not shoveling snow) and circulate it |
| 14:25 |
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#agreed GSoC application |
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<JoseMiguel_UY-es> *Ok |
| 14:26 |
walterbender |
#action walter to prepare the draft application |
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OK... |
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I have another somewhat related topic, if it is OK |
| 14:26 |
ClaudiaU_ |
ok |
| 14:27 |
walterbender |
#topic Sugar Camp |
| 14:27 |
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This is an idea that tch__ came up with about a month ago: to have a regional summit of the youth hackers |
| 14:27 |
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perhaps in Caacupe? |
| 14:28 |
gonzalo_odiard |
walterbender, uy can be a good palce too |
| 14:28 |
walterbender |
We have so many contributors form the region, whom like sdanielf_ cannot participate in the google programs because of age |
| 14:28 |
gonzalo_odiard |
walterbender, flavio danesse wanted to do something similar with the python joven group |
| 14:28 |
walterbender |
.ar might work too... I hear prices are good right now :P |
| 14:29 |
gonzalo_odiard |
yes, for prices .ar would be better |
| 14:29 |
walterbender |
we could try to bring a few kinds from other regions in as well... at least jorge from el salvador |
| 14:29 |
sdanielf_ |
how many atendees do you estimate? |
| 14:29 |
walterbender |
I think would be great and a good message about our mission: the kids take responsibility for the project |
| 14:30 |
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I am thinking maybe 12 |
| 14:30 |
meeting |
<JoseMiguel_UY-es> It is good idea .*ar Think that can result simpler for the region. |
| 14:30 |
walterbender |
so some real work can get done |
| 14:30 |
ClaudiaU_ |
i wish we could do other regions... i.e. Africa |
| 14:30 |
walterbender |
maybe a long weekend |
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ClaudiaU_: let's pilot where we know it will work |
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and then look to more places |
| 14:31 |
gonzalo_odiard |
walterbender, i think i can look at the logistics if is done in .ar (can ask manuq too) |
| 14:31 |
walterbender |
We can use some Trip Advisor funds for this and maybe some of the money google just gave us to pay for it |
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and maybe get ceibal to help |
| 14:31 |
sdanielf_ |
I'm worried about that 12 atendees is too few for an international summit |
| 14:31 |
walterbender |
sdanielf_: I guess it depends on what we are trying to accomplish |
| 14:31 |
gonzalo_odiard |
maybe "at least 12" :) |
| 14:32 |
ClaudiaU_ |
walterbender: agree |
| 14:32 |
walterbender |
a coding sprint gets bogged down with too many |
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but a more formal program can support more |
| 14:32 |
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<JoseMiguel_UY-es> To what refer with 12? |
| 14:32 |
walterbender |
but I was going to task you sdanielf_ ) to think about what would be good to accomplish |
| 14:33 |
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josemiguel: i was thinking 12 kids doing a code sprint |
| 14:33 |
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but maybe we want a broader set of topics and a bigger program for more kids |
| 14:33 |
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<JoseMiguel_UY-es> *Ok. |
| 14:34 |
sdanielf_ |
I'm not sure about what to accomplish |
| 14:34 |
walterbender |
maybe a conference run for/by kids |
| 14:34 |
gonzalo_odiard |
i think a sugarcamp would be more a hands on experience |
| 14:35 |
walterbender |
sdanielf_: in my narrow view of the world, I always think about engineering, but we could use this as a way to tell the experience of being a youth Sugar developer to the world (and to other kids) |
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and draw in a component of pedagogy as well |
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maybe draft a manifesto about the future of education in the region |
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to present to MoE in the various countries from which we solicit our participants |
| 14:36 |
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<JoseMiguel_UY-es> Very good idea |
| 14:36 |
walterbender |
yes... shoot higher than just a code sprint |
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and let's get lots of kids |
| 14:36 |
sdanielf_ |
maybe we need a space for code sprint and a place for talks and discussion |
| 14:37 |
walterbender |
if you are all agreeable, then we can take the discussion to email and move it forward? |
| 14:37 |
gonzalo_odiard |
+1 |
| 14:37 |
walterbender |
sdanielf_: in my experience, it is hard to do the two in parallel |
| 14:37 |
meeting |
<JoseMiguel_UY-es> +1 to walterbender and sdanielf_ |
| 14:37 |
walterbender |
maybe a code sprint before? |
| 14:38 |
gonzalo_odiard |
have two topics to talk later |
| 14:38 |
walterbender |
and the results can be one of the presentations? |
| 14:38 |
sdanielf_ |
not in parallel, of course |
| 14:38 |
walterbender |
so just to see if we have consensus to pursue this |
| 14:38 |
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+1 from me |
| 14:38 |
sdanielf_ |
+1 |
| 14:38 |
ClaudiaU_ |
+ 1 |
| 14:38 |
meeting |
<JoseMiguel_UY-es> A space of talk and discussion can summon to more people that interest , so that they add @en el futuro. |
| 14:38 |
walterbender |
great |
| 14:39 |
meeting |
<JoseMiguel_UY-es> +1 |
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walterbender |
#agreed to pursue a youth summit in the south |
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#action sdanielf_ and walter to make some proposals |
| 14:39 |
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gonzalo_odiard: you want to jump in with your topics? |
| 14:39 |
gonzalo_odiard |
ok |
| 14:40 |
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first topic: we was discussing make a contest for sugar wallpapers |
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with sugar 0.100 you can change the background of your home view |
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| 14:41 |
gonzalo_odiard |
we think is a good opportunity to help to our kid artists and promote sugar |
| 14:41 |
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and make more people participate (not only coders) |
| 14:41 |
sdanielf_ |
+1 then! |
| 14:42 |
gonzalo_odiard |
the start of the discussion is here https://gist.github.com/manuq/[…]0126fbacd4c3e313e |
| 14:42 |
walterbender |
+1 on this |
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will be fun |
| 14:42 |
decause |
walterbender: wallpaper contest sounds amazing |
| 14:43 |
meeting |
<JoseMiguel_UY-es> +1 This can excite to other boys, no only programming. |
| 14:43 |
gonzalo_odiard |
we need agree in implementation details, as how send the images or the prizes |
| 14:43 |
decause |
can students from RIT HFOSS course submit? |
| 14:43 |
gonzalo_odiard |
manuq, who is a designer, agreed in be a judge |
| 14:43 |
walterbender |
decause: should be open to all |
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no agism at SL :) |
| 14:44 |
ClaudiaU_ |
and the girls? |
| 14:44 |
gonzalo_odiard |
maybe we can put a max age to compensate :) |
| 14:44 |
walterbender |
we'll let those old uni stundents join |
| 14:44 |
gonzalo_odiard |
ClaudiaU_, why not girls? |
| 14:44 |
decause |
github has worked wel for things like this we've done |
| 14:45 |
ClaudiaU_ |
I am just reacting to JoseMIguel's comment.... I do hope girls participate as well |
| 14:45 |
decause |
adds to syllabus |
| 14:46 |
meeting |
<JoseMiguel_UY-es> This gives possibility of girls, and of many others more artists. No only of *code lives the man! ;) |
| 14:46 |
ClaudiaU_ |
;) |
| 14:46 |
meeting |
<JoseMiguel_UY-es> And it can engage also to teachers... |
| 14:46 |
gonzalo_odiard |
would be great have more feedback on the proposal if you agree in make the contest |
| 14:46 |
walterbender |
just poured another cup of Colombian coffee... thx ClaudiaU_ |
| 14:47 |
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gonzalo_odiard: do you have the URL from manuq's doc? |
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never mind.. I see it ^^ |
| 14:47 |
gonzalo_odiard |
:) |
| 14:47 |
walterbender |
better get yet another cup of coffee |
| 14:47 |
ClaudiaU_ |
walterbender: you are very welcome |
| 14:48 |
walterbender |
we should also think about how we publicize the contest |
| 14:49 |
gonzalo_odiard |
yes |
| 14:49 |
walterbender |
to make sure we reach far and wide |
| 14:49 |
gonzalo_odiard |
and maybe is a opportunity to get sponsors |
| 14:49 |
walterbender |
ClaudiaU_: maybe SEED can help? |
| 14:49 |
gonzalo_odiard |
and promote a activity in the deployments |
| 14:49 |
decause |
walterbender: i'll volunteer to post to opensource.com once details are finalized |
| 14:49 |
ClaudiaU_ |
walterbender: I can propose |
| 14:50 |
gonzalo_odiard |
decause, thanks |
| 14:50 |
walterbender |
gonzalo_odiard: seems we have consensus... |
| 14:50 |
gonzalo_odiard |
walterbender, would we vote? |
| 14:51 |
meeting |
<JoseMiguel_UY-es> +1 |
| 14:51 |
ClaudiaU_ |
+1 |
| 14:51 |
walterbender |
+1 |
| 14:52 |
gonzalo_odiard |
+1 (obviously :) |
| 14:52 |
walterbender |
#agreed to hold a background image contest |
| 14:52 |
gonzalo_odiard |
good, next topic |
| 14:52 |
walterbender |
#action everyone to comment on https://gist.github.com/manuq/[…]0126fbacd4c3e313e |
| 14:52 |
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#action contact SEED and other potential vehicles for outreach |
| 14:53 |
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gonzalo_odiard: you had another topic, yes? |
| 14:53 |
ClaudiaU_ |
I only have a few min |
| 14:53 |
gonzalo_odiard |
in our last travel to montevideo, in the ceibal event, a teacher who works with kids with disabilities, contacted to a guy from unesco france |
| 14:53 |
walterbender |
ClaudiaU_: could you give an update before you go? |
| 14:53 |
ClaudiaU_ |
yes |
| 14:54 |
decause |
#action decause post wallpaper contest details on opensource.com |
| 14:54 |
gonzalo_odiard |
he said, unesco can finance work on accesibility support in sugar, if we present a project |
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i never presented a project to a institution like unesco |
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anybody knows how to do it? |
| 14:55 |
walterbender |
gonzalo_odiard: the butia team and I have been discussing a project that may be relevant |
| 14:55 |
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gonzalo_odiard: I can help with that |
| 14:55 |
ClaudiaU_ |
I have my quick update |
| 14:56 |
decause |
is interested in staying in the loop too |
| 14:56 |
ClaudiaU_ |
I have receive confirmation from several people about the chats |
| 14:56 |
gonzalo_odiard |
walterbender, ok, but you already have a lot of work.... |
| 14:56 |
walterbender |
FYI, there is a Berkeley professor who is working on a proposal with NiH on nutrition with Sugar and the .NI deployment |
| 14:56 |
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gonzalo_odiard: I'll help.. but not be the lead |
| 14:56 |
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ClaudiaU_: please continue |
| 14:56 |
gonzalo_odiard |
decause, help is welcomed |
| 14:57 |
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thanks! |
| 14:57 |
ClaudiaU_ |
I am still waiting for Costa Rica, but Colombia, Nicaragua, La Rioja.. all welcome the idea of getting together again |
| 14:57 |
walterbender |
yeah |
| 14:57 |
gonzalo_odiard |
ClaudiaU_, .uy? |
| 14:58 |
walterbender |
.py |
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.pe |
| 14:58 |
decause |
gonzalo_odiard: email me details plz, I'll discuss with my director |
| 14:58 |
ClaudiaU_ |
Only Nicaragua suggested Monday... the rest of the people suggested to keep wednesdays |
| 14:58 |
gonzalo_odiard |
decause, ok |
| 14:58 |
ClaudiaU_ |
sorry.. Paraguay, of course |
| 14:59 |
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I am not contacting technical people yet... but please send educators |
| 14:59 |
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I only sent email to Martin Perez.. I need to send email to other names suggested |
| 15:00 |
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I would like to get names of people involve directly with deployments.. |
| 15:00 |
walterbender |
the first meeting of the SE Asia group is this week (tomorrow, I think) but at an odd hour: 1:30 AM for me |
| 15:00 |
ClaudiaU_ |
yes, walterbender |
| 15:01 |
walterbender |
ClaudiaU_: you think the first meeting might be in a couple of weeks? |
| 15:01 |
ClaudiaU_ |
gonzalo_odiard sent me contacts of people in the community... which I have not invite yet |
| 15:01 |
walterbender |
be great to use it to solicit feedback on the training app (/me says selfishly) |
| 15:02 |
ClaudiaU_ |
walterbender: yes!! I was thinking we open the first meeting with that... I need to give you feedback and translate |
| 15:03 |
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JoseMihguel.. can you help us find the contact info for the educators in Ceibal? |
| 15:03 |
meeting |
<JoseMiguel_UY-es> If, I will be tomorrow there. But I need more data of the meeting (am treating to put me to the day) |
| 15:05 |
ClaudiaU_ |
learning-technical chat organized by us, once per month |
| 15:06 |
gonzalo_odiard |
that is synthesis power :) |
| 15:06 |
meeting |
<JoseMiguel_UY-es> *Ok. Technician on computer or on educators? |
| 15:06 |
walterbender |
both |
| 15:06 |
meeting |
<JoseMiguel_UY-es> *Ok. |
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ClaudiaU_ |
both for the invite, but I am sending personal emails to educators |
| 15:07 |
meeting |
<JoseMiguel_UY-es> *OK. |
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gonzalo_odiard |
idea: would be good have a page in the wiki with ongoing slobs projects |
| 15:10 |
walterbender |
gonzalo_odiard: yeah.. beyond the meeting notes that no one looks at |
| 15:10 |
gonzalo_odiard |
exactly :) |
| 15:10 |
walterbender |
anyway... anything else for today? |
| 15:10 |
decause |
libreplanet? |
| 15:10 |
walterbender |
I apologize on behalf of freenode that we could not meet on Monday |
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and I appreciate everyone accommodating the change in the schediule |
| 15:11 |
gonzalo_odiard |
walterbender, libreplanet was in the topics list |
| 15:11 |
walterbender |
oh yeah |
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just a quick heads up that Claudia and I are doing a panel at LibrePlanet on the future of FOSS in elementary education |
| 15:12 |
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and the dangerous trend of "Disneyification" of education |
| 15:12 |
decause |
congrats! |
| 15:12 |
walterbender |
needs to remember to contact Bahktiar |
| 15:12 |
ClaudiaU_ |
sorry.. I had to start a call... |
| 15:12 |
walterbender |
We should wrap up for today |
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don't be shy about communicating between meetings on the list |
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thanks all |
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5 |
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gonzalo_odiard |
4 |
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decause |
3 |
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sdanielf_ |
2 |
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<JoseMiguel_UY-es> 1? |
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walterbender |
#endmeeting |
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