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Meeting started Mon Jan 6 13:59:33 2014 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting |
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walterbender |
#topic welcomes |
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I'd like to welcome Jose Miguel to the Sugar Labs oversight board |
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He will bring great perspective both from the pedagogiclal perspective |
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<JMGarcia-es> Thank you Walter. It is an honour, and a pleasure. |
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walterbender |
and from the point of view of a major Sugar deployment |
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Claudia_ |
welcome Jose Miguel |
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sdanielf |
welcome! |
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bernie |
welcome! |
| 14:01 |
walterbender |
I think we have a really well-balanced board at the moment: technologisits, pedagogists, users, learners, |
| 14:01 |
Ignacio` |
welcome :) |
| 14:01 |
meeting |
<JMGarcia-es> Thanks to all. |
| 14:01 |
walterbender |
Also, welcome back to the board Chris |
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meeting |
<JMGarcia-es> It is an interesting balance, by what see... |
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walterbender |
and many thanks to Gerald who is no longer on the board but hopefully will still provide input |
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And we welcome in a new year |
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which will come with some opportunities and challenges |
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On the one hand, we are for the most part losing the support of OLPC as they continue to consolidate their efforts around marketing their tablet |
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on the other hand, the pace and quality of Sugar development seems to be at an all time high |
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With more energy and effort in the deployments than in the past. |
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Will I hope OLPC stays involved, I do think we will find strength in diversity |
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An interesting statistic: the country with the second most activity on our website is Argentina |
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gonzalo_odiard_ |
yes, i was surprised.... |
| 14:06 |
walterbender |
Since there are very few OLPC computers in Argentina, this suggests that there are many Sugar users on other platforms |
| 14:06 |
Ignacio` |
A lot of spam in SugarLabs Ar .. |
| 14:06 |
walterbender |
Hard for us to measure |
| 14:07 |
meeting |
<JMGarcia-es> Which quantity of *OLPC there is in Argentina? |
| 14:07 |
walterbender |
In any case, there is a growing interest in supporting multiple platforms -- a goal of Sugar Labs from the beginning -- and a necessity for 2014. |
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bernie |
Ignacio`: yeah we need to do something about spam in the Local Labs wikis. |
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walterbender |
Argentina has 10s of thousands in La Rioja |
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gonzalo_odiard_ |
60.000 |
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Ignacio` |
bernie, we need to block the anonymous edit |
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meeting |
<JMGarcia-es> *OK. |
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bernie |
Ignacio`: yes, and there was a plan to merge the wikis into one. let's talk about it offline. |
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Ignacio` |
bernie, sure |
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Claudia_ |
I understood La Rioja is using Sugar in all machines... |
| 14:09 |
walterbender |
So, I had a few topics for today: Google Code In, Hardware vendors, and other plans for 2014 |
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other topics are also welcome |
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CanoeBerry |
Just caught up. |
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sdanielf |
there are other deployments in Argentina which are not using exactly Sugar |
| 14:09 |
walterbender |
yes... |
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meeting |
<JMGarcia-es> *Ok |
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walterbender |
but is represents a potential place of growth for us |
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Let me quickly sum up GCI |
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sdanielf |
walterbender, +1 |
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Claudia_ |
walterbender: I agree |
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meeting |
<JMGarcia-es> I trust that sometime they will discover that a boy is not a small adult. ;) |
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walterbender |
:) |
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Claudia_ |
My plan is to promote the chat (one per month) with countries... learning+technical |
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Starting February |
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<JMGarcia-es> With specific people of each country, or in the modality of the Spanish chat, Claudia? |
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walterbender |
I guess the topic is learning/tech chats :) |
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#topic learning-tech chats |
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Claudia_: is there any prep work we can help with? |
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<JMGarcia-es> If, which would be the best way to add efforts? |
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Claudia_ |
walterbender: yes.. compile names and countries |
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walterbender |
Claudia_: Also I can try to help coordinate the Asia/Pacific region |
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Claudia_ |
walterbender: do you know of other non-Spanish efforts? |
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gonzalo_odiard_ |
Claudia_, should we sent you coonatcts to you? |
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contacts |
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walterbender |
In Malaysia, we discussed making a regional meeting (because of language and timezone) |
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Claudia_ |
gonzalo_odiard_: yes |
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walterbender |
Claudia_: I think the Charlotte program would want to participate |
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and also Jennifer's program in Canada |
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Claudia_ |
walterbender: I hope so |
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gonzalo_odiard_ |
Claudia_, ok, i will do |
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walterbender |
so it seems we have English and Spanish and we have a timezone issue |
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Claudia_ |
yes, walterbender |
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walterbender |
but I guess we can see who actually shows up |
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Claudia_ |
do we know anything about Rwanda? |
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walterbender |
Jamaica and Haiti bring other languages too |
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I have heard nothing re Rwanda of late :P |
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Claudia_ |
we can make a public survey to gather info about interest? |
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walterbender |
I need to talk to Rodrigo, so I will ask him for an update |
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Claudia_ |
walterbender: ok.. let me know |
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gonzalo_odiard_ |
Claudia_, Pedro could have contacts from Rwanda? |
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Claudia_ |
gonzalo_odiard_: I have all the contacts with Rwanda... but I was thinking the OLPC-learning people there |
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walterbender |
so the #action is to send Claudia contact info |
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Claudia_ |
they may want to support the English chat too |
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bernie |
do we have any contacts in La Rioja? |
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Claudia_ |
I do |
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walterbender |
and perhaps Claudia, you could write a short description of the objectives of the meetings |
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Claudia_ |
I will do that... |
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walterbender |
that we can distribute? |
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Claudia_ |
I will send that in the next few days |
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walterbender |
anything thing else on this topic? |
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thanks Claudia |
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Claudia_ |
I will send description, we gather contacts and by the end of the month we should have an idea of the countries/languages/time zones, so we can launch the effort in Feb |
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walterbender |
+1 |
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moving on... |
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#topic google code in |
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<JMGarcia-es> +1 |
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walterbender |
I want to give a quick summary as today (in 2 hours) the contest is over |
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See https://google-melange.appspot[…]013/sugarlabs2013 |
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I suspect there will be a few more tasks completed before the end |
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note that Google will honor the top 5 students as finalists |
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bernie |
one task was finished a few seconds ago! |
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walterbender |
We (Sugar Labs) need to choose two as winners (and one backup) |
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bernie: needs review :) |
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I want to acknowledge here the extraordinary effort this year, especially by the 5 finalists |
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It will be difficult to choose among them as they all made significant contributions and were all active in the community. |
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Tincho and I are the administrators and are responsible for the final decision |
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but I am asking for your feedback |
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<JMGarcia-es> It is culminating now? |
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<Ignacio`-es> JMGarcia, it finishes today |
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<JMGarcia-es> *OK |
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walterbender |
amazing work |
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I'll write up a summary and I've asked Sean to help with a press releaae |
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sdanielf |
I think there were few participants, at least for Sugar Labs |
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bernie |
JMGarcia: the participants are still hard at work on #sugar. |
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<JMGarcia-es> They see a lot of tasks! |
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walterbender |
I think we will get continued participation from many |
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and much of the work has already landed in our release |
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(we have a design meeting this afternoon to look at much of the pending work) |
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walterbender |
I was pleased to see that .UY didn't completely dominate this year :) |
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Ignacio` |
:P |
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walterbender |
other regions are beginning to catch up |
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sdanielf |
I'm not up-to-date about recent changes. What kind of tasks were done this year by students? |
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walterbender |
one note: we had great participation from the contestants but not much participation from mentors (with a few exceptions, such as Martin and Gonzalo) |
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bernie |
and _*YOU*_ |
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walterbender |
sdanielf: some important webservices, eg. Google Drive support |
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Ignacio` |
and putlocker :) |
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walterbender |
lots of sugar core patches, e.g., conversion from gconf to gsettings |
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lots of bug fixes |
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sdanielf |
glad to hear that |
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walterbender |
some really cool activity enhancements, such as a pen that can be attached to objects in Physics |
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a revamp of Pippy |
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some really nice documentation in the form of videos and comic books |
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gonzalo_odiard_ |
walterbender, certainly, the level of work is difficult to follow |
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walterbender |
I had a hard time keeping up with it all :) |
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gonzalo_odiard_ |
walterbender, i can imagine that |
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walterbender |
gonzalo_odiard_: if we are accepted next year, we need to make some changes on our end to make it work better with the development process |
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but I think we did pretty well, nonetheless |
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anyway, any thoughts/comments on the work would be helpful for me in making the final decisions for this year's winners |
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One related issue: |
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dnarvaez |
the worst issue has been the lack of response from design team I think |
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gonzalo_odiard_ |
walterbender, yes, i would like to see how make better use of this effort. i hope we don't lost work and all what is possible is integrated |
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(with proper review of course) |
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dnarvaez |
and the fact that no one is reviewing |
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both general issue with our development process, not gci specific :) |
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taweili |
Sorry to be late. Was on high speed train without network |
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gonzalo_odiard_ |
dnarvaez, we have manuq available again.... |
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CanoeBerry |
taweili: your timing is perfect, we're getting to hardware dreams shortly. |
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dnarvaez |
gonzalo_odiard_: right, hopefully that will improve things |
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bernie |
taweili: hello David! |
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walterbender |
yes... he has already gone through some of the design tickets :) |
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taweili |
Cool! |
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dnarvaez |
but everyone should do more reviews really |
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walterbender |
taweili: we;ll be getting to your topic soon |
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dnarvaez |
it's the only way we can hope to grow |
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walterbender |
dnarvaez: mea culpa |
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Claudia_ |
how would the 5 finalist would be selected? |
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walterbender |
more fun to write code than review it :P |
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dnarvaez |
walterbender: heh you have done your part doing all the mentoring really :) |
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walterbender |
Claudia_: the top five on the list (by tasked completed) are the finalists |
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but we need to choose two from that list |
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bernie |
taweili: the log of this meeting is here: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]eeting/2014-01-06 |
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Claudia_ |
walterbender: I see... how can we help? |
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walterbender |
just if you have any opinion about the importance of the work to Sugar Labs, let me know |
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meeting |
<JMGarcia-es> If, arduous task. There is a lot of code there. They have activities also in other branches, or take some alone surroundings? |
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walterbender |
thinks it is all important |
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bernie |
dnarvaez: +1, reviews should get priority over other work because they block developers |
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sdanielf |
+1 |
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walterbender |
jose miguel, I don't expect all of you to go through all the tasks, but you may have had some interactions with some of the finalists which would be informative to me |
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on a related topic: Bernie observed that we had someone in our IRC channel who was harassing some of the young people in #sugar |
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he contacted the freenode admin and has also been giving a heads up to individuals and reminding them about safe behavior on the web |
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but please be vigilant |
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meeting |
<JMGarcia-es> I have not had interactions, see recently this. The holidays have me *desconectado. *Sorry! |
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walterbender |
jose miguel... no problem... |
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gonzalo_odiard_ |
walterbender, good point |
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walterbender |
anything else on GCI? |
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Thanks to all who helped. |
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While we have David here, I'd like to jump to another topic |
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#topic hardware |
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taweili |
Hello! |
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walterbender |
We have interest above and beyond OLPC re Sugar-enabled devices |
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bernie |
taweili: could you (quickly) summarize what you're doing and how Sugar Labs can help? |
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Claudia_ |
Thank you walterbender, Martin, gonzalo_odiard_ and everyone involved |
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taweili |
I have been taking to ARM hardware vendors and there are interests to support sugar enabled device. |
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taweili |
I think an open invitation letter to express intention would be good start. |
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walterbender |
taweili: wonderful |
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bernie |
taweili: could you draft the letter and send it to the board? |
| 14:46 |
taweili |
Sure. |
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bernie |
taweili: or work with walter on a draft... |
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taweili |
That would be good. |
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CanoeBerry |
taweili: on the separate server side, a rough "reference platform" as you asked for taking place here: |
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walterbender |
we should take the pulse of the board now and if there is a favorable opinion, I can work with David and the SFC on the exact wording |
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CanoeBerry |
http://lists.laptop.org/piperm[…]/thread.html#7083 |
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meeting |
<JMGarcia-es> In which type of devices are thinking? |
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taweili |
I think coming from Walter would be great. |
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walterbender |
jose miguel, there is a Sugar tablet effort underway, but David has some other things in mind as well |
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meeting |
<JMGarcia-es> *Ok. |
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walterbender |
taweili: |
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taweili |
Cool! I think we have several viable server platform. |
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CanoeBerry |
taweili: better link is http://lists.laptop.org/piperm[…]nuary/thread.html |
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taweili |
Radxa being one. |
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walterbender |
taweili: but what about the user side? |
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to answer jose miguel's question |
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bernie |
JMGarcia: david li (taweili) is based in Shanghai and has several contacts with hardware manufacturers. We met in Beijing a few months ago and exchanged ideas for new hardware suitable for running Sugar. |
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taweili |
On the user side, we have several solution here as far as boards go. |
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walterbender |
and form-factors? |
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meeting |
<JMGarcia-es> Excellent! |
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taweili |
However, the user space is more complicated because of the need for casing. |
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They all fit into a 7" tablet. |
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It's what form factors we want to go with. |
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walterbender |
we are getting closer to having decent tablet support |
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but we should make it a higher priority in our devel efforts |
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taweili |
Well, a tablet with external keyboard would be good. |
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walterbender |
that we can support pretty much out of the box |
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taweili |
We have the ODM/OEM working for Nabi expressing interest. |
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Yup. The next step is to invite them and plan pilot deployment with new hardware. |
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sdanielf |
great |
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meeting |
<JMGarcia-es> +1 |
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taweili |
What I also like to see is the availability of GPIO and other external connection out of the new hardware. |
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bernie |
taweili: any plans for netbooks or tablets with detachable keyboards? I feel that good input is essential for some age groups |
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taweili: oh you mentioned external keyboards already, never mind |
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taweili |
The keyboards are available on the market in quantity and selection. |
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gonzalo_odiard_ |
taweili, would be good arrange some agreement about quality control, and what resources will they dedicate to have sugar running in the devices |
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sdanielf |
a physical keyboard is very important in a learning device, I think |
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taweili |
For Kano like system, there are several companies including SeeedStudio |
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walterbender |
do we have consensus that I work with David and SFC on a letter of intention to work with hardware vendors? |
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taweili |
They are helping in locating good and inexpensive monitor. |
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meeting |
<JMGarcia-es> If, I share that for a lot of levels the keyboard is key for a good *aprovechamiento of the resources. |
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taweili |
Yes, these companies have been delivering high quality tablets and have full QA team. |
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bernie |
JMGarcia: I agree. |
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taweili |
Yes, I agree keyboard is important! |
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meeting |
<JMGarcia-es> The keyboard differentiates it of a toy. |
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gonzalo_odiard_ |
walterbender, yes, could you send to slobs mailing list when ready for comments? |
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CanoeBerry |
Do the XO-1 kids that always tell us they need a reliable+price touchpad have anything to contribute? Or does rough screen/touch suffice? If we are designing for the developing world, the USB mouse on the kid's knee is not always elegant. |
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*reliable+precise |
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walterbender |
gonzalo_odiard_: of course |
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gonzalo_odiard_ |
CanoeBerry, probably touch screen is a more direct input method (and i hope more reliable) |
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meeting |
<JMGarcia-es> Reliable+precise |
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gonzalo_odiard_ |
CanoeBerry, sadly, xo-1 was ahead of that |
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bernie |
CanoeBerry: yup, external mouse is messy |
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taweili |
There are some good touch pan + keyboard combo. |
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meeting |
<JMGarcia-es> I think that screen *tactil precise + keyboard is a good combination, without *descartar the *touchpad |
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walterbender |
taweili: let's get together after the meeting to discuss the details of the letter of intention |
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taweili |
Sure. |
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bernie |
taweili: as silly as it may sound at this stage, have you thought of branding? part of OLPC success was due to careful choice of shape, colors, logos and other subtle hints that made the XO stand apart from all other hardware. |
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taweili |
Well, it's up to us. Having to design a new one would take time and costly. Well, maybe need some volume to drive it. |
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meeting |
<JMGarcia-es> In accordance with *bernie. There are a lot of devices that invade the market. And aim to the educational value |
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walterbender |
more with the aim of making money by saying they are educational |
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meeting |
<JMGarcia-es> In addition to the hardware, the *Sugar is in important differential |
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<JMGarcia-es> ;) |
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taweili |
On related topic, have you seen the Afrimakers launched by Hackidemia? |
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walterbender |
no |
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bernie |
JMGarcia: right |
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taweili |
https://www.indiegogo.com/proj[…]0&perk_id=1517949 |
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https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/afrimakers/ |
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walterbender |
we are running short on time... |
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do we have other things we need to discuss as a group today? |
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taweili |
I may have to leave in about 10 minutes. Got a few things to attend here. |
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CanoeBerry |
taweili: excellent remind that local (non-china!) assembly generates a LOT of community interest, eg: |
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sdanielf |
has to leave and return to his work too |
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CanoeBerry |
http://haitidreams.org/2014/01[…]-launch-in-haiti/ |
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CanoeBerry |
http://haitidreams.org/2014/01[…]ms-a-bit-jealous/ |
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walterbender |
ok... we should wrap up |
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CanoeBerry |
http://haitidreams.org/2014/01[…]upplies-in-haiti/ |
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Etc. |
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walterbender |
just to conclude: (1) send contacts to claudia re tech/learning meeting |
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(2) send any gci feedback to me |
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(3) david and I will draft a letter of intention of Sugar Labs to work with hardware manufacturers |
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(4) we'll all be vigilant re our young colleagues |
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walterbender |
and we meet again as a group on the first Monday in February |
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bernie |
terrific |
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gonzalo_odiard_ |
we can send topics for next meeting to the ml |
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walterbender |
gonzalo_odiard_: yes... please |
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<JMGarcia-es> *Ok |
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walterbender |
OK. thanks all |
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and once again, welcome jose miguel |
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gonzalo_odiard_ |
a productive meeting, thanks all! |
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<JMGarcia-es> Thank you. Perhaps it can collaborate more with Claudia in the meeting |
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sdanielf |
thanks all for attending this meeting. Really productive. |
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<JMGarcia-es> If, very intense and interesting. |
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walterbender |
I'll post the minutes |
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ciao |
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Meeting ended Mon Jan 6 15:15:55 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
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Minutes: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-06T13:59:33.html |
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Log: http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]14-01-06T13:59:33 |