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#sugar-meeting meeting, 2013-07-05 17:14:17

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17:14 meeting Meeting started Fri Jul  5 17:14:17 2013 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
17:14 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting
17:15 walterbender mzepf: so I have been looking at your code. Not sure why it won't work with the primitives_dictionary as is... you could use a lambda function as one more level of indirection
17:15 mzepf: not pretty, but minimal changes to the current code while we are figuring things out
17:16 mzepf walterbender: Sounds good.
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17:16 mzepf walterbender: Maybe we should explain to the others what we're talking about?
17:17 walterbender mzepf: so maybe keep heading in the direction you are going, but drop it all into the lambda function framework
17:17 just do it for a couple of blocks and see what happens
17:17 mzepf: good idea... you want to start things off?
17:17 mzepf walterbender: Sure.
17:19 walterbender and I developed a rough idea of how the blocks know what Python code they will be transformed into.
17:20 It's derived from the primitives, which currently tell TurtleArt how to execute each block.
17:20 The idea is to have a class whose instances can be called as functions (to execute the block in TA),
17:21 or stored as Python Abstract Syntax Trees (ASTs).
17:21 I yet have to integrate that idea into TA.
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17:22 mzepf I also played around with various code generators (codegen and unparse).
17:22 walterbender_ lost his network
17:22 mzepf It turns out neither of them supports comments or docstrings.
17:23 walterbender_ anyone have experience with codegen or unparse or their equiv?
17:23 mzepf ... or know of a code generator that supports comments?
17:23 gonzalo_odiard nop
17:24 walterbender_ thanks mzepf
17:25 axitkhurana: you want to go next?
17:25 axitkhurana sure.
17:25 This week I worked on the UI of the mini profiles:
17:26 - Created a couple of svg icons, initially a simple cloud, then a cloud with a speech bubble like pointer.
17:26 - Made few mockups for the neighborhood view, but we would focus on group view first.
17:27 - Implemented the widget (an icon to display expanded profiles) in group view.
17:27 - Will work on expanded view of mini profiles this week.
17:27 walterbender_ axitkhurana: any screenshots we can look at?
17:27 axitkhurana walterbender_: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]ial_Sugar_project
17:28 I've added the icons, mockups and screenshots there :)
17:28 walterbender_ I like the cloud icon
17:28 llaske nice cloud !
17:28 axitkhurana :)
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17:29 axitkhurana Combined a few shapes in inkscape.
17:30 walterbender_ inkscape is great... I suspect with Adobe's new pricing scheme for Acrobat, even more people will start using it.
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17:32 axitkhurana yeah. Pretty easy to use.
17:33 walterbender_ axitkhurana: what is next (for this coming week)?
17:34 axitkhurana walterbender_: I need to work on the expanded view, that is the view that will show the items from other services.
17:35 basically a larger cloud that will show 1 item at a time from each service.
17:36 (rotating between services)
17:36 walterbender_ any comments before we move on?
17:37 axitkhurana No, thank you.
17:37 walterbender_ would like to see some more UI sketches of that scheme
17:38 might be a better way than rotating
17:38 but let's see
17:38 axitkhurana Sure, will share them as soon as I add them to the wiki.
17:38 For suggestions.
17:38 gonzalo_odiard axitkhurana, the big cloud in the neighborhood is not very standard...
17:38 axitkhurana yeah, that's what Martin felt, we'll be doing that in Group view.
17:39 gonzalo_odiard also, we should think if the cloud is the right metaphor... is tech talk, no something the kids should care
17:40 walterbender_ gonzalo_odiard: I think it is more than tech talk these days... part of the popular culture, at least in the States
17:40 when I was younger, we used to call it timesharing :)
17:41 gonzalo_odiard :)
17:41 axitkhurana :D
17:42 walterbender_ we should move on...
17:42 boredomist: next?
17:42 boredomist Sure
17:43 I don't have very much to report regrettably, this week was busier than I had anticipated
17:43 Mostly, I just did a few small things, such as adding bits of documentation or unit tests.
17:44 I transitioned from a yaml based configuration to a settings.py one, as per lionaneesh's suggestion
17:45 I actually think that's it. Didn't get close to as much as I wanted done
17:45 Still ahead of my schedule, fortunately.
17:45 walterbender_ next week?
17:46 boredomist Finishing up the server as much as possible, starting the next step of a client API
17:46 walterbender_ sounds good
17:47 who else is around? suraj and kalpa sent their regrets
17:47 llaske I can talk for Suraj
17:47 walterbender_ llaske: go for it
17:47 gonzalo_odiard boredomist, your project was?
17:48 boredomist gonzalo_odiard: the translation server
17:48 https://github.com/boredomist/translate
17:48 still have to come up with a name
17:48 llaske Suraj currently finalize the Sugar Activity Palette
17:48 gonzalo_odiard boredomist, did you read about a new tool in f19 to translate?
17:49 llaske He work to fix some Manuel feedbacks. Should be finished in few days.
17:49 boredomist gonzalo_odiard: no, i didn't. do you have any more information on that?
17:49 llaske Thanks to Daniel, he solved also its issue regarding the way to implement a new API in the Sugar JavaScript Framework.
17:50 gonzalo_odiard boredomist, i was surprised because didn't see any information in the feature pages, but read about this in the release notes
17:50 boredomist, looks like a comand line tool, but can use google translate and other services
17:50 llaske He should publish this week a first post on this work to planet.gnome.org
17:51 walterbender_ nce
17:51 boredomist gonzalo_odiard: huh. do you have a link for this?
17:51 gonzalo_odiard boredomist, searching
17:51 llaske Finally he worked to enhance it's sample activity to add DataStore call
17:52 walterbender_ llaske: seems pretty far along
17:53 llaske :-)
17:54 boredomist gonzalo_odiard: ah, i see that it's called 'tw', but having trouble finding actual info on it
17:54 gonzalo_odiard boredomist, should be good invest a little time in research that
17:55 boredomist yeah, definitely
17:55 gonzalo_odiard Summary : Translate words into different languages
17:55 Description :
17:55 translate word is a command that translates words into different
17:55 languages. translate word uses internal dictionaries, and contacts
17:55 online to the Google Translation and the FreeTranslation engines.
17:55 It can also be integrated via the clipboard with a desktop environment.
17:55 walterbender_ Anyone else around? Casey?
17:56 iamaregee2 Hi Everyone
17:57 gonzalo_odiard walterbender_, i was talking with kalpa, and this week i could _finally_ communicate with Anna
17:57 walterbender_ iamaregee2: wanna report in?
17:57 iamaregee2 Sure
17:58 Perhaps this week hasn't been that productive for me ,but I have made some progress with my RESTful interface
17:58 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]Code/2013/moksaya
17:58 https://github.com/aregee/moksaya
17:59 I have implemented project forking functionality with the APIs
17:59 http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]3/moksaya#Forking
18:00 walterbender_ looks
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18:02 walterbender_ iamaregee2: is there any reason we need to track gender, age, location?
18:02 iamaregee2: with kids especially, I'd prefer to keep things private
18:03 iamaregee2 Well not really
18:03 walterbender_ iamaregee2:  can I request we not track those fields unless there is a reason? and then we can discuss how to do it safely
18:03 iamaregee2 It could be dropped , but we can keep location ?
18:04 walterbender_ same with mugshot... could that be an avatar?
18:04 iamaregee2 Sure , I will drop those
18:04 walterbender_ location on a gross level, like Dehli seems OK
18:04 what do you want to use it (location) for?
18:04 iamaregee2 Mugshot has ability to set avatar
18:05 walterbender_ I guess to me mugshot implies a photo, not an avatar
18:05 but I am old-school
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18:06 walterbender_ hey casey
18:06 iamaregee2 it's there already , it is integrated with Gravatar service as well
18:06 CDeLorme walterbender_: hello sorry if I am late
18:06 walterbender_ iamaregee2: OK. we can live with the name internally
18:06 iamaregee2 well if you leave mugshot blank , it automatically assigns a avatar to display picture ..
18:07 walterbender_ but in any UI, we should make clear that we are interested in an avatar: would not like to encourage the kids to upload photos
18:07 any other comments for iamaregee2 ?
18:07 iamaregee2 Okay , I will keep that in mind
18:08 walterbender_ thx
18:08 CDeLorme: wanna chime in with an update?
18:08 CDeLorme Sure, This past week I finished some UI changes, built icons for cross platform, and have found a large number of resources regarding telepathy.
18:09 The prototype UI is fully functional cross platform, and integrates an alert system the matches in both now.
18:09 It's looking like the farstream package may or may not be useful for our purposes, various distro's having different versions.
18:09 walterbender_ CDeLorme: glad you are finding telepathy resources
18:09 CDeLorme I expect it may take another week of research and testing before I figure out how the Telepathy package integrates on a few platforms and how to get multiple channels running.
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18:10 walterbender_ CDeLorme: the short-term priority would be Fedora
18:10 but obviously cross-platform is better
18:10 CDeLorme Most of the example code I found was for Gtk2 or no gui, the reading is still applicable, but the method to starting the main loop varies
18:11 walterbender_ CDeLorme: but  you are using GTK3, I assume
18:11 CDeLorme walterbender_: yes, fedora is a priority, though I am also testing in debian since that makes up two fairly sizable chunks of common distro's
18:11 walterbender_ +1
18:11 CDeLorme yes Gtk3/GObject
18:11 walterbender_ +1
18:13 CDeLorme I am aiming for three channels, one for chat, one for commands (such as video requests and toggles) and one for streaming, telepathy seems to have all the right tools so it's just a matter of finding them or finding modern examples of them.
18:14 walterbender_ CDeLorme: all sounds good.
18:15 what is queued up for next week?
18:15 CDeLorme All telepathy all week, wrapping my fingers around its code-base is essential to moving forward.
18:16 walterbender_ thanks for the update
18:16 I think we covered everyone who was here this week
18:16 same time, same channel next week.
18:16 don't be shy about asking your mentors for help
18:16 or hanging out in #sugar
18:16 thx
18:16 CU
18:17 #endmeeting
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