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Meeting started Mon Jan 7 23:06:56 2013 UTC. The chair is walterbender. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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walterbender |
welcome all to the first SLOB meeting of 2013 |
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and welcome to our new board members |
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ClaudiaU |
Thanks.. happy to be part of it! |
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walterbender |
before we begin, I'd like to ACK cjb, alsroot and icarito for all their contributions |
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walterbender |
also, a tip of the hat to Luke for running the elections. |
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danielf_ is now known as sdanielf |
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sdanielf |
walterbender, +1 |
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walterbender |
so, a bit of business first, and then I would like to have a general discussion about SLOBs, Sugar Labs, Sugar, et al. |
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ClaudiaU |
+1 |
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walterbender |
I got a finance report from Robert Fadel today for 2012 |
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GeraldA |
+1 |
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walterbender |
I'll post it on the wiki, but in brief, we spent $6872.25 last year |
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and we brought in $154.45 |
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but I am not too worried, as we have a budget surplus of almost $20K |
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we spent money on servers and on travel for developers. |
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both worthwhile |
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any questions about finances? |
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GeraldA |
What is the source of the revenue? |
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ClaudiaU |
ok. We may want to think about ways to bring more money... |
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grants, etc... so we can do things like programmers (TA) day, etc. |
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walterbender |
the money in the bank is from a variety of sources... the bulk of it is still from a grant that Caroline and I wrote for Sugar on a Stick projects. |
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GeraldA |
ok. thanks. |
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walterbender |
And a fair number of individual donations |
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but I agree with Claudia that we may want to raise more money... but first, we need to discuss what we want to do with money... then we can target our fund-raising efforts |
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has in mind a global Sugar meeting for 2013 |
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ClaudiaU |
walterbender: +1 |
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walterbender |
and more Sugar Camps (with some travel subsidies for developers and teachers) |
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I can try to raise some money towards those goals... but are there others? |
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made a New Years resolution to do more grant writing and less Python coding |
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ClaudiaU |
kids should be present too... not only the developers, but other children |
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walterbender |
worse than trying to diet :P |
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ClaudiaU |
walterbender: haha.. |
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walterbender |
ClaudiaU: good point |
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GeraldA |
ClaudiaU: good point |
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walterbender |
we are going to have a Sugar Camp early next month in the Bay Area... |
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Raul is hosting |
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it will be small and focused... I think on cloud integration, but the theme is not completely firm |
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ClaudiaU |
I think we should also spend some money promoting sugar with educators... |
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walterbender |
but so far I don't think we need SL $ for the event... maybe we will get some corporate sponsorship |
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GeraldA |
ClaudiaU: I agree |
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walterbender |
ClaudiaU: yes... since Sean, we have had zero promotion and marketing |
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maybe I can entice him back or at least have him help us recruit someone new |
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ClaudiaU |
sounds good |
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I think online chats can be one way to build community with teachers... |
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walterbender |
how do we get them to come o the chats? |
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teachers don't use IRC :p |
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the Amazonas FB page is great... but that came as a consequence of a workshop |
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sdanielf |
walterbender, teachers don't use computers if they don't need them |
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ClaudiaU |
we can ask our educators in countries to invite at least one teacher.... |
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GeraldA |
I can invite some teachers as well. |
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walterbender |
sdanielf: I disagree... but it could be my sample is skewed |
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ClaudiaU |
and perhaps the money is spend supporting some connectivity... so they can for sure participate in their own time |
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walterbender |
sdanielf: but they may not use computers for learning... that I agree |
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sdanielf |
walterbender, they use them because they are useful |
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walterbender |
sdanielf: but teachers are social, let everyone else :) |
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sdanielf: this actually brings me to a related topic |
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ClaudiaU |
we need to make it a fun experience as well as useful |
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and I agree with walterbender... teachers are social too |
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walterbender |
I am wondering if we cannot take advantage of the wealth of Sugar hackers in .UY to start a bottom-up shake up of the use of computers in the schools |
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if each hacker identified a couple of willing teachers, we could make a lot happen |
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sdanielf |
walterbender, +1 |
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walterbender |
for example, Christofer is working with Rosamel |
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but I think that is not a usual example |
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but it is powerful |
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sdanielf: maybe you can help with this? |
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sdanielf: and maybe we get Flavio involved? |
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sdanielf |
walterbender, yes and no |
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we "have" Flavio involved, but he doesn't speak English and he doesn't like using translators |
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walterbender |
sdanielf: I think of this effort as being in the local language (Spanish) |
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kids and teachers driving change in a way that Ceibal cannot |
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BTW, there was a great article about the president of .UY in the NY Times this week. |
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ClaudiaU |
can you send the link> |
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? |
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walterbender |
will look |
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01[…]gewanted=all&_r=0 |
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ClaudiaU |
thanks |
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sdanielf |
walterbender, Ceibal is a deployment a bit separated of Sugar Labs. A contribution or bugfix to the Sugar environment can be included in a Uruguayan build two years after it's released. It results frustrating for local efforts |
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walterbender |
sdanielf: maybe you and I can discuss the details (in English) and then you can approach Flavio (and a few others) in Spanish |
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ClaudiaU |
walterbender: I started the conversation about promoting sugar with the teacher community as additional efforts that may require money... I wonder if there are others, before we continue to talk about how to get some of these ideas going... |
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walterbender |
sdanielf: I understand that frustration too... but I am interested in the use of the computers... |
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making it more interesting and more fun... |
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despite the more mundane uses advocated by Ceibal |
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sdanielf |
sounds great |
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walterbender |
ClaudiaU bring some concrete plans to the forum and we can discuss how to raise the money... |
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e.g., Turtle Art Day :) |
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ClaudiaU |
TA day would be great |
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walterbender |
aside to GeraldA : no more memory leaks ? |
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ClaudiaU |
a programming FUN course would be great too |
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walterbender |
I really feel like we have all this great FUN stuff and even the teachers who have Sugar are not using it... |
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ClaudiaU |
walterbender: agree! |
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walterbender |
at least not enough |
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sdanielf |
just an idea, let's follow a Turtle Art Day from all the countries |
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walterbender |
had dinner with the former MoE from Peru and had lots of fun with Sugar |
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sdanielf: +1 |
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ClaudiaU |
I think TA would be one way to have fun.... 1) thinking about how to support (materials, online chat, local workshops, etc) and 2) how to show everyone's work... |
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walterbender |
ClaudiaU that is related to the cloud integration theme I want to explore at Sugar Camp in Feb. |
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ClaudiaU |
walterbender: great.. want to hear more |
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walterbender |
the problem will be, how to get the bits we create into the hands of the teachers :P |
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ClaudiaU |
with our community of educators |
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walterbender |
rgs already has a first pass at a FB plugin... would like to make it integrated directly into the Journal |
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(as a plugin so you could choose your favorite social media site) |
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our Wednesday community is able and willing... and we should start with them |
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ClaudiaU |
OLPC promoted the nickelodeon competition... and in a very short time people participated... |
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we need more time to make it better, but people like the idea of feeling part of a bigger movement |
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walterbender |
ClaudiaU but we have this chicken and egg problem... while Amazonas has made great use of social media, it is not well integrated into their everyday use of Sugar |
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to do that means loading new software which can be difficult (as per sdanielf 's earlier comment) |
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ClaudiaU |
let's start the chat of 2013 with a concrete proposal in the chat... we may recruit people and start small and grow |
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walterbender |
I agree it is a good place to start |
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ClaudiaU I hope to have something for them to try the first week of Feb. Can I have the slot on the 6th? |
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ClaudiaU |
all yours!!! |
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walterbender |
are there other big themes we should be discussing? |
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In May, we will be releasing Sugar 1.0 |
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maybe some event around that release? |
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ClaudiaU |
sounds good |
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GeraldA_ |
I agree. |
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sdanielf |
+1 |
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ClaudiaU |
I have one more... |
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evaluation... for lack of a better word |
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walterbender |
anything specific? |
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ClaudiaU |
walterbender: we should share our paper on making learning visible within sugar |
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GeraldA_ |
aside to walterbender: no more memory leaks. Thanks. |
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walterbender |
ClaudiaU are we allowed to share it? |
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ClaudiaU |
in small groups yes... we can send to a list via email |
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walterbender |
OK... great. let's start with SLOBs |
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ClaudiaU |
we can not reproduce it or include the link in a website |
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I will send it later |
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tonyf |
ClaudiaU, mee too paper please Tony Forster |
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JT4sugar |
walterbender, Could you supply me a copy I would be interested |
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walterbender |
will do... |
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wished he had an electronic copy of his book... |
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maybe I can transcribe the Sugar chapter at least |
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ClaudiaU |
I would like to promote the tools we have in Sugar to understand learning |
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GeraldA_ |
ClaudiaU: What tools are you referring to? |
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ClaudiaU |
and use the same experiences to improve them and perhaps create others... |
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for example.. portfolio |
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Chart.. to analyze journal |
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walterbender |
analyze journal is just scratching the surface... |
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GeraldA_ |
ClaudiaU: So you are saying using tools within Sugar for the students to show their learning? |
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walterbender |
also, I would like to better integrate alsroot's efforts |
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ClaudiaU |
I think we have a wonderful group of educators... (including you, GeraldA_) and we should work with them to promote those types of efforts |
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walterbender |
GeraldA_: exactly |
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ClaudiaU |
show and understand.... |
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walterbender |
be interested to get sdanielf 's POV |
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GeraldA_ |
ClaudiaA: I agree. And thanks. |
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ClaudiaU |
we may end up with a great collection of studies... worth a larger publication |
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sdanielf |
walterbender, What do you mean with POV (not very good with abbreviations) |
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? |
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tonyf |
pov point of view |
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walterbender |
sdanielf: I am guessing you never used Portfolio in school |
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sdanielf |
I agree with you all. I think that activities which allow the creativity of children can have lots of usages and advantages |
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walterbender |
we are getting close to the end of our hour... I'd like to run through a few bureaucratic topics as well |
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ClaudiaU |
ok |
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sdanielf |
walterbender, True, portfolio wasn't in the build when I was in school |
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ClaudiaU |
already one hour... great conversation... |
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walterbender |
sdanielf: I wonder if it is in the .UY build even today... |
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ClaudiaU |
sdanielf: you could be of great support at the local level... great to have you in this group |
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walterbender |
quickly, a few things for the new comers: |
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ClaudiaU |
walterbender: doubt it |
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perhaps Martin Perez wants to finish the protocol and we can translate to Spanish |
| 23:55 |
walterbender |
(1) we have a private mailing list for slobs but the convention is to CC iaep unless there is a reason for privacy... it is more a convenience and archive than backchannel |
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(2) I log all the meeting notes in the wiki (as well as in the meeting logger) |
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(3) there is some paperwork we need to take care of with the SFC |
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@ sdanielf : we need to discuss with bradley the specifics of your signing stuff |
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sdanielf |
walterbender, sure |
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walterbender |
(4) we tend to meet both on a regular schedule and on demand... but early in the year, it is good to meet more often |
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(5) please do not be shy about bringing up topics, asking questions, challenging assumptions and the status quo |
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shall we plan to meet again next week again... to follow up on today's discussion? |
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ClaudiaU |
ok to all |
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GeraldA_ |
ok to all as well |
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sdanielf |
ok to all |
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walterbender |
OK... I'll sort out the details over email and also follow up re the various #actions above |
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ClaudiaU |
+1 |
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walterbender |
apologies for not adding tags to the meeting log |
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OK... thanks all for joining the meeting today. |
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ClaudiaU |
thank you! |
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GeraldA_ |
walterbender: thanks! |
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ClaudiaU |
good night to all |
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sdanielf |
walterbender, thanks for scheduling this meeting |
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walterbender |
one last thing: one more week of Google Code In... |
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let me know if you have any last minute projects you want posted... |
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ok... counting down |
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sdanielf |
3 |
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ClaudiaU |
2 |
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GeraldA_ |
1 |
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walterbender |
#end-meeting |
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