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Meeting started Wed Jul 18 15:00:17 2012 UTC. The chair is garycmartin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting |
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garycmartin |
Hi folks! |
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aguz |
:) |
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m_anish |
garycmartin, hola! |
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:-) |
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manuq |
hello everyone! |
| 15:01 |
m_anish |
manuq, hi! |
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aguz |
manuq: hi! |
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tch_ |
hello |
| 15:01 |
garycmartin |
Any one else here? |
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walterbender |
hi |
| 15:01 |
garycmartin |
hey walterbender glad you could make it as well |
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ajay |
Hi!! |
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garycmartin |
OK, so lets get going then :) |
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My hope is that we can do most of the discussion via mail-list, wiki, and bugs.SL.org tickets, and use realtime meeting to all stay in the loop. |
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ajay |
garycmartin: +1 |
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m_anish |
garycmartin, +1 |
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aguz |
garycmartin: +1 |
| 15:04 |
garycmartin |
Lets start with what I hope is an easier one ;) |
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#topic Standard Help icon and toolbar position |
| 15:04 |
m_anish |
garycmartin, link? :) |
| 15:05 |
garycmartin |
#link http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]-July/038407.html |
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m_anish |
okay |
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danielf |
I think the help icon is important, if it can be next to the exit button, it would have to be next to the activity button |
| 15:06 |
garycmartin |
This was a thread I started a couple of weeks ago hoping to get more formal agreement on the positioning of the Help features as they get added into activities. |
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danielf: can or can't ? |
| 15:07 |
danielf |
can't I'm sorry |
| 15:07 |
m_anish |
garycmartin, is there a need for this in many activities? (i mean whether activity devs have expressed the need for it)? |
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garycmartin, i assume it would have to be added per activity by the activity dev? |
| 15:08 |
garycmartin |
danielf: Help is an optional feature, many activities won't have it (ideally 'good' activities should not need help, they should be clear enough to use without reading text help) |
| 15:08 |
danielf |
I don't agree to move the button, but let's understand the bug, it needs an strategic position |
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manuq |
m_anish: yes, it's not global |
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m_anish |
manuq, ok |
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quidam |
I agree with the proposal, help button being at the right of the icon group |
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manuq |
sorry I didn't answered the thread |
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walterbender |
I agree with Danielf that we should agree on a standard position for when it is there. |
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quidam |
as in most graphical applications outside sugar |
| 15:09 |
manuq |
I agree with not having any other button next to the stop one, when possible (toolbar not cluttered) |
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quidam |
manuq: +1 |
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garycmartin |
danielf: The proposal is to have help (if present) as the last of the activity toolbar items prior to Stop, just not right aligned next ti it. Help and Stop have nothing to do with each other and Stop is a critical UI element to keep clear. |
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m_anish |
walterbender, garycmartin, one concern could be that some activities alreaady have their main toolbar space quite constrained... would it make sense to move it to activitybuttontoolbar (i,e, where the share and write to journal features are present)? |
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garycmartin |
Activity [Edit] [View] [Custom1, Custom2 .. CustomN] [Help] _______________ Stop |
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aguz |
garycmartin, manuq: I moved the Stop icon in chart |
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garycmartin, manuq: Can you try it? |
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manuq |
aguz as the rightmost icon in the toolbar? great |
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danielf |
aguz: It's already applied in Turtle Art |
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aguz |
:) |
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garycmartin |
m_anish: I thing the Activity secondary palette is too far away for someone who needs that first little help in getting started (initially that toolbar is hidden). |
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manuq |
this boys are faster than us |
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garycmartin |
:) |
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aguz |
haha :) |
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m_anish |
garycmartin, hmm, makes sense. |
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manuq |
I can push the help icon to sugar-artwork, hoping that erikos agrees, |
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aguz |
manuq: +1 |
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garycmartin |
manuq: Yes that was my next question :) |
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manuq |
or maybe is better to have his ACK first.. |
| 15:14 |
garycmartin |
manuq: We can wait for his ACK next week. |
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manuq |
ok! |
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aguz |
now is aguz_ |
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manuq |
I will have the ticket number around |
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walterbender |
is frustrated by the fact that since the icon won't be on old systems, I need to bundle it with my activities anyway :P |
| 15:15 |
garycmartin |
manuq: If we agree here on moving forward we/I can follow up on that email as to the decision. |
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manuq |
garycmartin: yep |
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danielf |
about the toolbar organization purposed by Gary, -1, it doesn't look strategic |
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manuq |
so +1 from my side |
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garycmartin |
walterbender: Yes. It's good to get that icon in as soon as possible, with the understanding many will need to bundle it in their activities just now. |
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walterbender |
is there any reason not to push the icon? |
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garycmartin |
walterbender: At least having it in a standard place we shouldn't end up with the 2-3 different version we have just now ;) |
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(the icon file in a standard place) |
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walterbender |
seems we are generally agreed... shall we move to the next topic? |
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m_anish |
ya, i think so too |
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tch_ |
+1 following ;) |
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garycmartin |
The only other solution might be to go with the following Activity [Edit] [View] [Help] [Custom1, Custom2 .. CustomN] _______________ Stop |
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quidam |
-1 |
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danielf |
garycmartin: I like it more, specially if there are too few custom items in the toolbar |
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garycmartin |
but that moves existing icons around quite a bit with no obvious benifit. |
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m_anish |
garycmartin, that would be more confusing imo |
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manuq |
I prefer this slight change instead of adding it between current buttons |
| 15:19 |
m_anish |
garycmartin, yep! |
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garycmartin |
OK so lets here a vote on this for the record. |
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Activity [Edit] [View] [Custom1, Custom2 .. CustomN] [Help] _______________ Stop |
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+1 |
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m_anish |
+1 |
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quidam |
+1 |
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manuq |
+1 |
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garycmartin |
Some abstainers huh! ;) |
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tch_ |
+1 |
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manuq |
walterbender: about not pushing now, I prefer to have erikos ack, waiting till tuesday if no one else is in hurry |
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garycmartin |
#agreed Activity [Edit] [View] [Custom1, Custom2 .. CustomN] [Help] _______________ Stop |
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OK, I'll follow up on the email thread and see if we get any more +/- to the mail thread. |
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walterbender |
manuq: I think we agreed to push, but not when to push... that is up to you and erikos |
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manuq |
walterbender: understood |
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garycmartin |
manuq: yes agreed to push, up to you and erikos as to when (yes as walterbender said) :) |
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m_anish |
garycmartin, should we move to the next topic? |
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:) |
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garycmartin |
#topic Simple messages notification system |
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manuq |
garycmartin: I think we should have a decent wiki page with this standarisations |
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garycmartin |
manuq: Yes |
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m_anish |
#link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]ages_Notification Simple messages notification system |
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tch_ |
m_anish: nice ;) |
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m_anish |
tch_, glad you're here :P |
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garycmartin |
#link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]ages_Notification |
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Do folks need time to look or have you looked through this already? |
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So a couple of questions from me... |
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What is the square [?!] icon in the device frame, is it part of the actually implemented feature? |
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humitos |
garycmartin: I'm taking a look... but I'm not sure about the benefits |
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garycmartin |
humitos: Sure yes. |
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m_anish |
garycmartin, its implemented in dx, but its not related to this at all... |
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garycmartin, that's a separate feedback submission feature |
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garycmartin |
m_anish: Thanks, good. That's one less change to worry with here. |
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danielf |
The icon doesn't describe it very well. And I would not use it next to the activities |
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humitos |
I'm asking myself: "does a kid need this kind of message?" |
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garycmartin |
danielf: Yes, in my notes I have "It it really an Activity related notification?" |
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m_anish |
danielf, humitos i think its designed more for system level messages |
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atleast that's how we use it in dx |
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humitos |
m_anish: what kind of message do you put on it? are they useful for kids? |
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m_anish |
I can give a couple of examples of how it's being used currently (since the last >1 yr in Py, Uy) if that helps |
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garycmartin |
humitos: yes "does a kid need this kind of message?" was one reason why this wasn't pushed hard for in a previous cycle. |
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quidam |
humitos: sometimes the kid will need to be informed about things, maybe a system reboot is not a good example, I would avoid showing that |
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humitos |
quidam: yes, but that is the example on the wiki :P |
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garycmartin |
I was hoping we would have more concrete examples of use other than "reboot you machine an update just completed" |
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quidam |
a better example could be the collaboration system |
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m_anish |
(1) it is used by uy to show the kinds many types of notifications/news that the edu/administrations wants the kids to know about |
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humitos |
so, how are we going to prevent "useful" message using this feature... |
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quidam |
as you can have somebody joining an activity you are sharing but it is not focused |
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m_anish |
(2) and as the screenshot shows, the reboot notification... |
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walterbender |
has a laptop that keeps overheating and shutting down :P |
| 15:30 |
m_anish |
but the point i'm trying to make is that its not for activities related things |
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cjl |
blinks his eyes and realizes he's in the middle of the Design Team meeting in his pajamas. Thought it was jsut a dream. . . |
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m_anish |
tch_, correct me if i'm wrong :P :-) |
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cjl, haha |
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walterbender, you need bip :P |
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quidam |
I would move the icon to the right |
| 15:31 |
garycmartin |
quidam: 'somebody joining an activity you are sharing but not focused' is this actually implemented? |
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humitos |
m_anish: yes, I understand the purpose (not activity message) |
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tch_ |
m_anish: you are correct, it comes from these kind of situations where just images notifications where not enought. |
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danielf |
quidam: +1 |
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humitos |
quidam: +1, but I'm not sure that I like this button :D |
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garycmartin |
cjl: it is just a dream, go back to sleep, you'll be fine ;) |
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danielf |
cjl: You would say there isn't right and left |
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humitos |
I mean, the position is better on the right |
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m_anish |
humitos, in the first example we gave, uy actually developed a system around it to give notifications and want it enhanced in certain ways, like prioritizing some messages, etc. but the larger point is that it is a useful feature for deployment |
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quidam |
the icon is a bit scary, yes |
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I would prefer it being called "information" than "alert" |
| 15:32 |
m_anish |
quidam, i agree, we need either a 'softer' icon or more icons than one |
| 15:33 |
humitos |
m_anish: you have a point (a big point)... it was requested by the community and it's being used |
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danielf |
m_anish: As I know, there is also a Ceibal Notifica for UY. Are they an organization or a newspaper? They have too many notifications systems |
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quidam |
garycmartin: the collaboration example was just the first thing that came to my mind, but I think it is implemented |
| 15:34 |
garycmartin |
FWIW, the top right corner is reserved for buddy notifications (and is not yet implemented yet) |
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cjl |
danielf: Yes, how this placement standard plays out in an RTL lang is important, but standardization is probably more important than actual placement. |
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tch_ |
denielf; the difference is that we couldn't expect either force the users to open an activity to recieve these messages... |
| 15:34 |
m_anish |
danielf, perhaps those notifications are serving some purpose, i'm not the best person to comment on that, to be frank |
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m_anish |
okay, can we identify areas for discussion/improvement here (1) better icon or a set of icons (2) placement ... any more? |
| 15:36 |
quidam |
garycmartin: link to the buddy notifications design? I think this two features should work together |
| 15:36 |
humitos |
m_anish: I think we need (3) more information about this feature |
| 15:36 |
danielf |
It has to appear like the clipboard notifications ;) |
| 15:36 |
tch_ |
we can continue with these details on the ml right? But I think is important to also have your feedback on the behaviour of it |
| 15:36 |
manuq |
garycmartin: it is implemented, when other user invites you to join an activity, the activity icon appears at the top left corner |
| 15:36 |
humitos |
how is it being used? what is the main purpose? what kind of message (real life message) are being shown? |
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manuq |
if I rememer well |
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garycmartin |
would like to see some of the real use cases, and if other deployments want it. I'm not yet convinced this is very beneficial. |
| 15:37 |
humitos |
real examples |
| 15:37 |
m_anish |
humitos, fwiw here is a reply from Daniel Castelo, who works for Ceibal ... http://www.mail-archive.com/su[…]org/msg27836.html |
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garycmartin |
quidam: buddy notifications are about buddies arriving and leaving (right Frame edge), and possible in Activity bubble chat. |
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quidam |
manuq: btw, if you receive a collab invite and you don't have the activity installed, the default icon is shown (and it doesn't work) |
| 15:38 |
manuq |
m_anish: do they need that to replace, for example, blog posts readable by Browse? |
| 15:38 |
garycmartin |
manuq: yes sure activity invitations is already implemented and works fine, that's not the same as these notifications. |
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m_anish |
manuq, probably not, feel free to continue that thread further.. i'm sure he can answer questions abt usability atleast in uy context. |
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manuq |
goes for his xos |
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tch_ |
it is also useful in paraguay, where they use it for software/system updates messages... |
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danielf |
The Sugar Control Panel has a section for updates, Is not better modify the Software Update section? |
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quidam |
garycmartin: so buddy notifications should appear in the right edge, not the top one, right? |
| 15:41 |
garycmartin |
manuq: Object transfers also use the top left notification area and add a transfer notification to the top Frame edge (Journal send to --> friend feature) |
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m_anish |
danielf, that is again a dx specific feature... dx does automatic rpm updates for packages like sugar in the background, and those need system level notifications. |
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quidam |
garycmartin: nevermind, I just understood what you meant |
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m_anish |
i guess one issue to address is that sugar doesnt really _have_ a notification system |
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cjl |
wonders how long it is before some kid with an XO figures out how to use such a feature to "whisper" and pass notes during classes. . . |
| 15:42 |
garycmartin |
quidam: Currently there are no buddy notifications, but when we do add/implement them, the top right corner is where you should see them blink :) |
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m_anish |
for system level users |
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s/users/ / |
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garycmartin |
cjl: That's called teamwork, anywhere outside of formal education structures ;) |
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ajay |
garycmartin, :P |
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quidam |
garycmartin: so we have different kinds of notifications in the different corners, and we have the bottom right one free |
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garycmartin |
OK, lets take this back to the mail list, clearly we need more information! Real world use case example, how frequently is it used etc. |
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m_anish |
garycmartin, so, in a nutshell we've received positive response from Uy, Py, ... AU has just started using dx3 so they dont have a response yet... it hasnt been tried elsewhere and it address a pressing need |
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tch___ |
back~ |
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cjl |
garycmartin: Not saying it is a bad thing, agree it is an example of ingenuity. Generations of kids have been doing thsi with paper airplanes, but I wouldn't have told the Wreight brottyhers to slwo down :-) |
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quidam |
I'm not sure I like the idea of having the notifications happening this way |
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garycmartin |
Actually, can any one edit that wiki page to point to a current DX release I can flash on an XO to look a little closer? |
| 15:45 |
m_anish |
garycmartin, sure, i'll do that |
| 15:45 |
humitos |
garycmartin: good point! |
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m_anish |
#action m_anish add dx3 build links to the notification feature page for folks to try it out. |
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garycmartin |
#action m_anish add dx3 build links to the notification feature page for folks to try it out. |
| 15:46 |
quidam |
m_anish: btw, design wise I don't like the feedback button being shown there, it is not a device |
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garycmartin |
(think the bot needs me to make the action items) |
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quidam |
m_anish: it should be in the control panel, you don't need that in the frame |
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m_anish |
quidam, its not (for AU, UY)... its more for in the dev process ... |
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AndroUser |
What do you think about a button in the frame that show a palette with allí the notifications? |
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m_anish |
quidam, but thats a different discussion :P |
| 15:47 |
quidam |
m_anish: yup |
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cjl |
m_anish I think that garycmartin has touched on a good point about presenting your patches for upstreaming. You guys know they work, No betterway to show them than in a DX build. |
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danielf |
If there are system messages to notify, would be good an XO icon, and the XO Home options also in that palette |
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m_anish |
cjl, +1 |
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garycmartin |
quidam: bottom right is for device notifications, but is again currently un implemented (e.g. battery low warning, charging, Network connection, network lost etc). |
| 15:48 |
quidam |
garycmartin: I see. again, I'm not sure having notifications coming from all 4 corners is a good idea overall |
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danielf |
quidam: +1, the bottom right can have a button for the 'Computer' device |
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garycmartin |
AndroUser: A device frame icon with notifications was one of the original suggestion (I might have even made a mockup image or two when this all first started), I believe that placement then got used for System warnings, and the notification feature was moved up to the Activity top Frame. |
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AndroUser |
are androuser |
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Sorry |
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garycmartin |
OK moving on. |
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#topic Database support for 3G modem configuration |
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#link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]/Database_Support |
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| 15:52 |
danielf |
+1 to that design |
| 15:53 |
garycmartin |
Looks good from a UI/UX point of view (much better than existing design), needs code review and perhaps a little closer look to double check strings and behaviour. |
| 15:53 |
m_anish |
this is again a "more useful than expected" feature :-) |
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garycmartin, yep. i think the patch would need porting to current mainline, but if the design is okay, we can go ahead on that |
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humitos |
about the drop-down box... I have a question about that |
| 15:53 |
cjl |
m_anish: What si the "database" abckend? |
| 15:54 |
humitos |
(I see the same problem on the keyboard and language configuration) |
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humitos |
the list is REALLY big and it's difficult to scroll and find what are you looking for |
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is there a way to do the same but with "autocompletion" feature? |
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m_anish |
humitos, just for the country one i think |
| 15:54 |
manuq |
this is really needed indeed, I have a few questions |
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aguz |
I like the combo |
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m_anish |
humitos, and these settings persist |
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manuq |
oh sorry, wrong topic, I was confused |
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:) |
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humitos |
manuq: ;) |
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danielf |
humitos: +1 Here in Uruguay there are only 3 companies but i suppose in other countries |
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m_anish |
cjl, the db is already there (a part of the system)... we don't need to do anything extra... perhaps tch___ can answer that... i forget the exact pkg name |
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quidam |
cjl: talking from what we have in trisquel/ubuntu, and guessing it is the same thing, an xml file |
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tch___ |
m_anish: is the same one nm-applet uses. |
| 15:56 |
cjl |
humitos has a good point about the lists being long, and autocompletion being cool, but m_anish is also correct that the average user doesn't change these settings much. |
| 15:56 |
quidam |
cjl: in debian systems the package is mobile-broadband-provider-info |
| 15:56 |
m_anish |
danielf, fwiw, india has the most number of cellphone companies in the world and that number is 14, in most countries that number is on average, 6, so not a very big list |
| 15:56 |
cjl |
So autocompletion is reall yuseful to testers, but wouldn't be as impt to users (I am guessing) |
| 15:56 |
garycmartin |
5min warning before meeting over run ;) |
| 15:56 |
ajay |
cjl: I believe something on the lines of http://computerbank.googlecode[…]viceproviders.xml |
| 15:57 |
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quidam: +1 |
| 15:57 |
quidam |
ajay: that's the same file, I think |
| 15:57 |
ajay |
quidam: me too :) |
| 15:57 |
danielf |
m_anish, humitos: So, Is humitos talking about the Countries list? |
| 15:58 |
tch___ |
I guess is important to point out that the feature has been widely used in uruguay and paraguay already ;) |
| 15:58 |
m_anish |
humitos, probably, but you wont be changing that very often, unless you switch countries often ;) |
| 15:58 |
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fwiw, this design mimics the gnome design |
| 15:58 |
humitos |
danielf: yes, in this case "Country" list... and in Sugar Panel -> keyboard layout and Language |
| 15:58 |
tch___ |
is there a widget for combo-autocompletion? |
| 15:59 |
aguz |
But the system can know about the country |
| 15:59 |
manuq |
m_anish: yes, and I like that it mimics it |
| 15:59 |
m_anish |
i think doing more fancy things here would be complicating things... its a simple clean design right now ;) IMHO |
| 15:59 |
quidam |
aguz: yes, that should be possible to extract from the device, I think GNOME does that |
| 16:00 |
ajay |
aguz: yes.. probably. but this is a one-time configuration, so probably keeping things simple might be appropriate :) |
| 16:00 |
quidam |
ajay: true |
| 16:00 |
ajay |
m_anish: you beat me on that :) |
| 16:00 |
cjl |
I would put autopcompletion down as a low-priority enhancement request given tha tthese setting menus are not revisited much by users. Although I would love i tfor language testing. |
| 16:01 |
m_anish |
garycmartin, can we have a vote on this... if we seem to generally agree on the design? |
| 16:02 |
garycmartin |
Do we agree this is a big improvement over the current implementation? |
| 16:02 |
m_anish |
+1 |
| 16:02 |
cjl |
+1 |
| 16:02 |
garycmartin |
+1 |
| 16:02 |
ajay |
+1 |
| 16:02 |
tch___ |
+1 |
| 16:02 |
manuq |
+1 |
| 16:02 |
danielf |
+1 |
| 16:02 |
quidam |
+1 |
| 16:02 |
humitos |
+1 |
| 16:02 |
aguz |
+1 |
| 16:03 |
garycmartin |
OK so it seems like, as is from a visual design point of view this feature is good :) |
| 16:03 |
tch___ |
I need to take screenshots of this! |
| 16:03 |
m_anish |
garycmartin, +1, now onto the coding aspect |
| 16:03 |
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:-) |
| 16:03 |
ajay |
if this is the case .. I would be happy to port to NM 0.9 |
| 16:03 |
garycmartin |
m_anish: So this now need a code review. |
| 16:03 |
m_anish |
garycmartin, +1 |
| 16:03 |
garycmartin |
Cool :) |
| 16:03 |
m_anish |
ajay, tht would be great! |
| 16:04 |
cjl |
garycmartin: Before you close is there time for a brief teaser of an item for a future meeting? |
| 16:04 |
manuq |
remember that the shell which includes control panel is being ported to gtk+3 right now.. |
| 16:05 |
tch___ |
cjl, garycmartin: same call here :) |
| 16:05 |
ajay |
manuq: ahh ... |
| 16:05 |
garycmartin |
Would folks like to wrap up now (we are just over our 1hr mark) |
| 16:05 |
m_anish |
garycmartin, ah! and also the next one is going to be on 1430 UTC, Monday right!? |
| 16:05 |
ajay |
garycmartin: batch-select, plz .. :) |
| 16:05 |
tch___ |
ajay: +1 ;) |
| 16:05 |
ajay |
manuq: anyhow,, i will port on the latest available OLPC image, and carry over from there i guess. |
| 16:06 |
garycmartin |
1430 UTC, Monday, yep that's what I plan for the announcement email. |
| 16:06 |
m_anish |
garycmartin, ok |
| 16:06 |
manuq |
ajay: sure, no problem, just a reminder |
| 16:06 |
garycmartin |
#topic Meeting wrap up |
| 16:06 |
ajay |
manuq: thanks ... It's a big help :) .. good to keep future things in mind :) |
| 16:07 |
cjl |
will briefly mention his future item post-meeting. |
| 16:07 |
garycmartin |
OK so we didn't get to "Journal multi-select" (a rather useful feature if we can land it safely) |
| 16:08 |
manuq |
yeah very useful |
| 16:08 |
tch___ |
agreed. |
| 16:08 |
humitos |
great meeting! |
| 16:08 |
m_anish |
garycmartin, i didn't realize how useful it is until i was presenting xo's to some guys over in India. it really cut time for me doing things |
| 16:08 |
garycmartin |
And also "Touch hardware support" which is a rather wide subject touching (no pun intended) many design areas |
| 16:08 |
m_anish |
:-) |
| 16:08 |
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garycmartin, +1 |
| 16:08 |
humitos |
see you guys |
| 16:08 |
garycmartin |
tch___: Did you have an agenda item to add for next week? |
| 16:09 |
cjl |
I did |
| 16:09 |
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Future agenda item: We now have text-to-spech everywhere via e-speak, before we get to far into speech engine technology "lock-in" we should assess festival (or other options) and in particular, we need to think about how we can improve upstream voices to cover more of our langs. I'll post my thoughts about it to Sugar devel. |
| 16:09 |
garycmartin |
cjl: What was your future teaser meeting item? |
| 16:09 |
m_anish |
will continue creating more feature pages from dx... there are many! |
| 16:09 |
aguz |
I think that Will be fine to have a button in the toolbar |
| 16:09 |
tch___ |
garycmartin: yes. Walter and I dicussed the idea of adding "examples" support for activities. Guess I should write the idea better and send it to the ML. |
| 16:09 |
garycmartin |
cant type, read, and think fast enough. Needs an upgrade :) |
| 16:10 |
aguz |
That enable/disable multiselection |
| 16:10 |
garycmartin |
tch___: AAAhhhhhaaa yes. Know it well :) |
| 16:10 |
m_anish |
cjl, +1 that's a very valid point! |
| 16:10 |
cjl |
BTW, the sppech and voice thing is on the OLPC_OZ ragar. |
| 16:11 |
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s/ragar/radar/ |
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| 16:11 |
aguz |
And the user clicks in the objects that wants to select |
| 16:11 |
cjl |
sridhar is very interested in having a voice tha tsounds mor elike Paul Hogan :-) |
| 16:11 |
danielf |
aguz: A possible agenda item would be a better UI for the Journal multi-select, but I'll not be here on Mondays |
| 16:12 |
garycmartin |
OK, I'll email out the logs & minutes for this meeting. Please do follow up on the various [Design] threads if you have more to add, and the next meeting will be on Monday 1430 UTC (An email will go out in the next day or so). |
| 16:12 |
m_anish |
danielf, you can participate in the ML discussion... btw. some background on this... this feature was originally brought up in EDUJam 2011, i think, where it was discussed between, walter, tch___ gonzalo, and others |
| 16:13 |
garycmartin |
I'll pick up the extra agenda items and include them for Monday. |
| 16:13 |
m_anish |
manuq, might have been in that discussion to, i dont remembre |
| 16:13 |
manuq |
aguz: we are not going to discuss the topic right now, we are wrapping up |
| 16:13 |
tch___ |
garycmartin: thanks |
| 16:13 |
ajay |
garycmartin: thanks !! |
| 16:13 |
garycmartin |
Time for countdown... |
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5 |
| 16:13 |
m_anish |
the idea was to follow the gmail design... or that's what i had heard |
| 16:13 |
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4 |
| 16:13 |
ajay |
3 |
| 16:13 |
danielf |
3 |
| 16:13 |
aguz |
3 |
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2 |
| 16:13 |
quidam |
1 |
| 16:13 |
garycmartin |
#endmeeting |
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Meeting ended Wed Jul 18 16:13:47 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
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