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meeting |
Meeting started Tue Jun 19 15:04:47 2012 UTC. The chair is erikos. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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15:04 |
erikos |
hey everybody |
15:05 |
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who is around for the dev meeting? |
15:05 |
silbe |
and caspar still are |
15:05 |
gonzalo_ |
is here |
15:05 |
manuq |
sees silbe, caspar, gonzalo_, and himself :) |
15:05 |
gonzalo_ |
garycmartin, hello.... |
15:05 |
benzea |
unusual as it may be ... I am here :-) |
15:05 |
erikos |
hey benzea |
15:05 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo_: Hi |
15:05 |
silbe |
benzea: nice to see you again! |
15:06 |
erikos |
ok, let's start |
15:06 |
manuq |
benzea: hi! |
15:06 |
caspar |
hi |
15:06 |
m_anish |
is listening |
15:06 |
erikos |
#Introducing new contributors |
15:06 |
m_anish |
erikos, #topic :P |
15:06 |
dogi |
is lurking |
15:06 |
erikos |
anyone around that is new to the ground and wants to introduce himself? |
15:07 |
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#topic Introducing new contributors |
15:07 |
m_anish |
caspar, hi! |
15:07 |
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15:07 |
cjl |
waves |
15:07 |
humitos |
ok |
15:07 |
erikos |
s/ground/crowd |
15:08 |
caspar |
I am. My name is Caspar, working for Sascha. I will do some reviews, at least I am hired to do so :-)) |
15:08 |
gonzalo_ |
caspar, any area in particular? |
15:08 |
erikos |
caspar: are you part of activity central? |
15:09 |
caspar |
sugar, especially gtk3-migration |
15:10 |
gonzalo_ |
caspar, and migration of activities? |
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15:10 |
caspar |
activity central: indirectly |
15:10 |
cjl |
caspar are you going to GUADEC? |
15:11 |
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asks because there will be a GTK3 porting team there |
15:11 |
caspar |
GUADEC: didn't intend to yet. |
15:12 |
erikos |
caspar: and you do have experience in gtk, python? |
15:12 |
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caspar: gobject-introspection |
15:14 |
caspar |
I have some experience with both gtk and python, but that is not that important, IMO |
15:15 |
erikos |
caspar: ok, and what is important in your opinion? |
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btw, anyone else that wants to introduce himself? |
15:16 |
manuq |
caspar: welcome |
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15:17 |
manuq |
danielf: hi |
15:17 |
danielf |
everybody: ^^ |
15:17 |
manuq |
danielf: do you want to introduce yourself? |
15:17 |
erikos |
hey danielf |
15:18 |
caspar |
I will not code, I just need to understand the changes |
15:18 |
danielf |
manuq: ok, How do I do it? |
15:19 |
manuq |
danielf: just tell us about you, what are your interests? |
15:20 |
erikos |
danielf: just tell us what your interests are, what you will work on |
15:20 |
cjl |
danielf: list your countrys ISO-3166 code and the ISO-639 codes of any languages you speak |
15:20 |
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jsut kidding |
15:20 |
erikos |
danielf: and maybe where you are from :) |
15:20 |
gonzalo_ |
is in a long yoga session this week |
15:20 |
erikos |
caspar: ok, sounds all a bit bizarre to me, tbh |
15:21 |
gonzalo_ |
caspar, yeah, may be you can start understanding the problem |
15:21 |
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caspar, formal reviews can be done with a script .... |
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caspar, no ofense |
15:21 |
silbe |
erikos: I'm pretty confident he'll do as well as I do reviewing GTK related patches. I've known him for a long time. |
15:22 |
danielf |
manuq, erikos, cjl: ok, my name's Daniel Francis, I'm from Uruguay, (contributor in CeibalJAM) |
15:22 |
caspar |
gonzalo_: none taken. |
15:22 |
manuq |
danielf: how old are you? |
15:23 |
danielf |
I'm thirteen |
15:23 |
manuq |
danielf: you are doing the GT3 porting of Terminal, right? |
15:23 |
gonzalo_ |
danielf, great to see you here |
15:23 |
erikos |
danielf: fantastic, it is great to have you on board here |
15:23 |
benzea |
gonzalo_: I do think it is possible to do code review, even without fully understanding everything; you can find weird things, and look things up if they don't make sense right away |
15:24 |
danielf |
manuq: yes, now working in the DragAndDrop/Clipboard utility |
15:24 |
cjl |
danielf welcome aboard |
15:25 |
danielf |
cjl: thanks |
15:25 |
manuq |
danielf: so you are the same Daniel Francis that I know :) |
15:25 |
gonzalo_ |
benzea, ok, will see |
15:25 |
manuq |
danielf: great to see you here |
15:26 |
benzea |
gonzalo_: yeah |
15:26 |
gonzalo_ |
benzea, my point is, probably is better work with the code before starting to review code |
15:27 |
erikos |
silbe: and yourself, you don't want to do reviews anymore? |
15:27 |
silbe |
erikos: we're both going to do reviews |
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danielf: welcome to the team! |
15:29 |
benzea |
gonzalo_: true, one needs to learn the codebase; and one way to do that is to actually write patches and fix problems. And I do hope that caspar will do that :-) |
15:30 |
erikos |
silbe: as long as review and ack are two different things, caspar is frre to review code of course |
15:31 |
caspar |
I will not ACK, just review. |
15:32 |
cjl |
likes the idea of apprenticeships and mentoring into the greater mysteries fo Sugar :-) |
15:32 |
erikos |
caspar: good job you got then, no trouble with reponsability ;p |
15:32 |
gonzalo_ |
silbe, caspar, should be great if you can review the work in activities too, in particular the activities maintained by AC http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Acti[…]ate_of_Activities |
15:33 |
erikos |
gonzalo_: good point |
15:34 |
cjl |
gonzalo_: Lots of work to do there, good training ground |
15:34 |
caspar |
erikos: I was asked to join a few days ago. I have many other things to handle so I will start with reviews. I didn't say anything about code contributions and other tasks in the future. |
15:35 |
silbe |
gonzalo_: that's something we'll need to discuss later, when we have a better idea of how much work reviewing Glucose patches for the upcoming GTK3 port will be. The latter takes priority. But we will help even on the activity side if it's possible, of course. |
15:36 |
erikos |
btw, manuq and myself we discussed maintainership so we can split up the load, from his contributions it makes sense to get him on board as a maintainer to sugar-artwork and sugar-toolkit-gtk3 |
15:37 |
benzea |
erikos: makes sense |
15:38 |
erikos |
benzea: yeah, good to have you here today as another artwork-maintainer |
15:38 |
benzea |
yeah, was just wondering whether I am still on the list :-) |
15:39 |
erikos |
benzea: of course you can decide, if you want to take a silence maintainership for example ;p |
15:40 |
manuq |
should I start ccing artwork patches to both of you? |
15:40 |
erikos |
manuq: for me is fine if they go onto the ml |
15:40 |
benzea |
hm, then I would actually see them all (I don't follow the list much ...) |
15:41 |
manuq |
erikos: yes, to:sugar-devel cc: erikos is what I've been doing |
15:41 |
erikos |
manuq: with your knowledge in the previous port parts you are of course as well needed by the shell port |
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manuq: actually i think you could help maintaining there as well ;p |
15:42 |
manuq |
I'm glad to help in that front |
15:42 |
erikos |
silbe: and comments from your side, re adding manu as maintainer to those modules? |
15:42 |
manuq |
benzea: sure, I will start ccing you as well |
15:43 |
erikos |
benzea: great, if you then have a spare moment, your commenst are always welcome |
15:44 |
benzea |
erikos: sure, shouldn't be too much work to have a quick look, though I have to admit that I don't know the gtk3 theme that well ... |
15:44 |
erikos |
benzea: ok, we can change that ;p |
15:44 |
silbe |
erikos: it's your choice. I'm not a maintainer for sugar-toolkit-gtk3 and haven't reviewed sugar-artwork patches so far (they're too deep in GTK mystery land). |
15:44 |
erikos |
benzea: actually are you going to GUADEC this year? |
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silbe: and about the shell (sugar module)? |
15:45 |
benzea |
erikos: nah, I can't take the time off from this internship I am doing :-( |
15:45 |
erikos |
benzea: sigh |
15:46 |
benzea |
I would be more likely to go somewhere for a weekend .... |
15:46 |
silbe |
erikos: Having many people who can ack' patches muddles the waters. It leads to either disagreements and confusement resulting from one person ack'ing the patch and the other refusing it and / or stalled patches because nobody feels responsible. |
15:46 |
erikos |
benzea: we can see if we can do a camp this year at some point |
15:47 |
benzea |
we'll see |
15:47 |
silbe |
s/confusement/confusion/ |
15:47 |
erikos |
silbe: sure there is this risk, but from my experience this can work |
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silbe: we had it like that before and it was less pressure for everyone |
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silbe: of course if would be 10 people maintaining...;p |
15:48 |
silbe |
erikos: I'm less confident about it than you are. |
15:49 |
erikos |
silbe: you can think about it, don't want to overrun you here |
15:49 |
dnarvaez |
from a new contributor perspective it would be cool if patches was replied to quickly, more maintainers will likely help that |
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15:50 |
gonzalo_ |
dnarvaez, +1 |
15:50 |
erikos |
is remembered of dnarvaez' open patch |
15:50 |
dnarvaez |
erikos it was not my intention :P |
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15:50 |
erikos |
:) |
15:51 |
silbe |
dnarvaez: quick review replies don't depend on the person doing the review to have ack "rights". quite the contrary, the more reviews are done before one of the maintainers looks at the patch, the more likely it is to be in good shape. |
15:52 |
dnarvaez |
silbe quick non-ack reviews are cool too, but quick ack is more imo, especially if you are new |
15:52 |
gonzalo_ |
silbe, but waiting for only one person with "rights" to ack is not healty for a project |
15:52 |
caspar |
how many people do ack? |
15:53 |
gonzalo_ |
right now erikos and silbe, right? |
15:53 |
silbe |
dnarvaez: Caspar and I have reviewed your gnome-keyring related patch today, BTW. We did the review offline and will reply via email later. Thanks for your patch, it's looking good, just a few improvements on the non-code side would be useful. |
15:53 |
erikos |
gonzalo_: yes |
15:53 |
gonzalo_ |
in the past was tomeu too |
15:53 |
dnarvaez |
silbe awesome thanks |
15:54 |
erikos |
gonzalo_: past-past ;p |
15:54 |
manuq |
dnarvaez: good to see you here, maybe you can introduce yourself next meeting, seems that your interests cover development environments :) |
15:54 |
dnarvaez |
manuq will do :) |
15:54 |
gonzalo_ |
erikos, it's true |
15:54 |
cjl |
notes tah buildbot is back in operation, no L10n chokes |
15:55 |
erikos |
cjl: yeah!!! |
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dnarvaez: thanks a lot for that work! |
15:55 |
cjl |
erikos, thanks for the branching, I think it was the key |
15:56 |
erikos |
cjl: yeah, we are getting there, thanks for all that hard work |
15:56 |
dnarvaez |
cjl builds should be triggered automatically now |
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erikos :) |
15:56 |
cjl |
will slowly feed in some more L10n commits to finish off rolling sugar-base strings into sugar-toolkit-gtk3 |
15:56 |
erikos |
dnarvaez: is it public already? |
15:57 |
cjl |
http://176.58.108.37:8010/waterfall |
15:57 |
dnarvaez |
erikos it's still on my machine, waiting for bernie to give me root on the machines we will use |
15:57 |
erikos |
perfect! |
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great, I think it was nice to have a bit of a more informal meeting today |
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without to many hard topics on the agenda |
15:59 |
cjl |
hard topics will come :-)\ |
15:59 |
erikos |
a lot of improvements those days, on many areas, infrastructure, people, translations... |
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and I am currently working on the shell port myself, so stay tuned for patches |
16:00 |
manuq |
erikos: interesting! |
16:00 |
gonzalo_ |
good, we need more hands (and brains oc course :) ) |
16:00 |
cjl |
erikos, please ping me if you know of a commit tha twill cahnge strings, I want to keep a close eye on the Poolte branch as it begins to diverge |
16:01 |
erikos |
cjl: yes, I will do my best to do so |
16:01 |
cjl |
thanks |
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Just the first one or tow |
16:02 |
silbe |
erikos: looking forward to your patches. |
16:02 |
erikos |
great, so let's close here |
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---no action items today--- |
16:03 |
ajay |
raises his hand. |
16:03 |
erikos |
school finishes early! |
16:03 |
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ajay: yes, please |
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was so close to finish the meeting :) |
16:03 |
ajay |
erikos: any news regarding http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/3605 ? |
16:04 |
erikos |
ajay: if we would have more maintainers..., sigh |
16:04 |
ajay |
erikos: i am sorry erikos.. I didn't quite understand :\ |
16:05 |
erikos |
ajay: sorry, I was half kidding |
16:05 |
ajay |
erikos: :D |
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erikos: so perhaps I should send to silbe/manuq for final ack? (Just querying.. no offense meant) |
16:06 |
erikos |
ajay: sure, silbe can review/ack |
16:07 |
silbe |
ajay: as mentioned before, I'm not convinced we're not opening ourselves up for a race conditon here. We should figure out why the mountpoint property is missing in this particular case, instead of working around the potential lack but still keeping the property around. |
16:07 |
erikos |
would be appreciated from my side |
16:08 |
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ok, you can sort this out after the meeting, I preume |
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3 |
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starts short countdonw |
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short meeting = short countdown |
16:09 |
m_anish |
2.000000000001 (damn floats) |
16:09 |
silbe |
1.90 |
16:09 |
m_anish |
:P |
16:09 |
ajay |
1.00000001 |
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erikos |
knows now what people do in their free time |
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0 |
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#endmeeting |
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