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#sugar-meeting meeting, 2012-06-19 15:04:47

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15:04 meeting Meeting started Tue Jun 19 15:04:47 2012 UTC. The chair is erikos. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
15:04 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting
15:04 erikos hey everybody
15:05 who is around for the dev meeting?
15:05 silbe and caspar still are
15:05 gonzalo_ is here
15:05 manuq sees silbe, caspar, gonzalo_, and himself :)
15:05 gonzalo_ garycmartin, hello....
15:05 benzea unusual as it may be ... I am here :-)
15:05 erikos hey benzea
15:05 garycmartin gonzalo_: Hi
15:05 silbe benzea: nice to see you again!
15:06 erikos ok, let's start
15:06 manuq benzea: hi!
15:06 caspar hi
15:06 m_anish is listening
15:06 erikos #Introducing new contributors
15:06 m_anish erikos, #topic :P
15:06 dogi is lurking
15:06 erikos anyone around that is new to the ground and wants to introduce himself?
15:07 #topic Introducing new contributors
15:07 m_anish caspar, hi!
15:07 humitos <humitos!~humitos@201-213-135-73.net.prima.net.ar> has joined #sugar-meeting
15:07 cjl waves
15:07 humitos ok
15:07 erikos s/ground/crowd
15:08 caspar I am.  My name is Caspar, working for Sascha.  I will do some reviews, at least I am hired to do so :-))
15:08 gonzalo_ caspar, any area in particular?
15:08 erikos caspar: are you part of activity central?
15:09 caspar sugar, especially gtk3-migration
15:10 gonzalo_ caspar, and migration of activities?
15:10 slpz <slpz!~slpz@159.Red-88-12-110.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net> has joined #sugar-meeting
15:10 caspar activity central: indirectly
15:10 cjl caspar are you going to GUADEC?
15:11 asks because there will be a GTK3 porting team there
15:11 caspar GUADEC: didn't intend to yet.
15:12 erikos caspar: and you do have experience in gtk, python?
15:12 caspar: gobject-introspection
15:14 caspar I have some experience with both gtk and python, but that is not that important, IMO
15:15 erikos caspar: ok, and what is important in your opinion?
15:16 btw, anyone else that wants to introduce himself?
15:16 manuq caspar: welcome
15:16 danielf <danielf!~webchat@jita.sugarlabs.org> has joined #sugar-meeting
15:17 manuq danielf: hi
15:17 danielf everybody: ^^
15:17 manuq danielf: do you want to introduce yourself?
15:17 erikos hey danielf
15:18 caspar I will not code, I just need to understand the changes
15:18 danielf manuq: ok, How do I do it?
15:19 manuq danielf: just tell us about you, what are your interests?
15:20 erikos danielf: just tell us what your interests are, what you will work on
15:20 cjl danielf: list your countrys ISO-3166 code and the ISO-639 codes of any languages you speak
15:20 jsut kidding
15:20 erikos danielf: and maybe where you are from :)
15:20 gonzalo_ is in a long yoga session this week
15:20 erikos caspar: ok, sounds all a bit bizarre to me, tbh
15:21 gonzalo_ caspar, yeah, may be you can start understanding the problem
15:21 caspar, formal reviews can be done with a script ....
15:21 caspar, no ofense
15:21 silbe erikos: I'm pretty confident he'll do as well as I do reviewing GTK related patches. I've known him for a long time.
15:22 danielf manuq, erikos, cjl: ok, my name's Daniel Francis, I'm from Uruguay, (contributor in CeibalJAM)
15:22 caspar gonzalo_: none taken.
15:22 manuq danielf: how old are you?
15:23 danielf I'm thirteen
15:23 manuq danielf: you are doing the GT3 porting of Terminal, right?
15:23 gonzalo_ danielf, great to see you here
15:23 erikos danielf: fantastic, it is great to have you on board here
15:23 benzea gonzalo_: I do think it is possible to do code review, even without fully understanding everything; you can find weird things, and look things up if they don't make sense right away
15:24 danielf manuq: yes, now working in the DragAndDrop/Clipboard utility
15:24 cjl danielf welcome aboard
15:25 danielf cjl: thanks
15:25 manuq danielf: so you are the same Daniel Francis that I know :)
15:25 gonzalo_ benzea, ok, will see
15:25 manuq danielf: great to see you here
15:26 benzea gonzalo_: yeah
15:26 gonzalo_ benzea, my point is, probably is better work with the code before starting to review code
15:27 erikos silbe: and yourself, you don't want to do reviews anymore?
15:27 silbe erikos: we're both going to do reviews
15:29 danielf: welcome to the team!
15:29 benzea gonzalo_: true, one needs to learn the codebase; and one way to do that is to actually write patches and fix problems. And I do hope that caspar will do that :-)
15:30 erikos silbe: as long as review and ack are two different things, caspar is frre to review code of course
15:31 caspar I will not ACK, just review.
15:32 cjl likes the idea of apprenticeships and mentoring into the greater mysteries fo Sugar :-)
15:32 erikos caspar: good job you got then, no trouble with reponsability ;p
15:32 gonzalo_ silbe, caspar, should be great if you can review the work in activities too, in particular the activities maintained by AC http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Acti[…]ate_of_Activities
15:33 erikos gonzalo_: good point
15:34 cjl gonzalo_: Lots of work to do there, good training ground
15:34 caspar erikos: I was asked to join a few days ago.  I have many other things to handle so I will start with reviews.  I didn't say anything about code contributions and other tasks in the future.
15:35 silbe gonzalo_: that's something we'll need to discuss later, when we have a better idea of how much work reviewing Glucose patches for the upcoming GTK3 port will be. The latter takes priority. But we will help even on the activity side if it's possible, of course.
15:36 erikos btw, manuq and myself we discussed maintainership so we can split up the load, from his contributions it makes sense to get him on board as a maintainer to sugar-artwork and sugar-toolkit-gtk3
15:37 benzea erikos: makes sense
15:38 erikos benzea: yeah, good to have you here today as another artwork-maintainer
15:38 benzea yeah, was just wondering whether I am still on the list :-)
15:39 erikos benzea: of course you can decide, if you want to take a silence maintainership for example ;p
15:40 manuq should I start ccing artwork patches to both of you?
15:40 erikos manuq: for me is fine if they go onto the ml
15:40 benzea hm, then I would actually see them all (I don't follow the list much ...)
15:41 manuq erikos: yes, to:sugar-devel cc: erikos is what I've been doing
15:41 erikos manuq: with your knowledge in the previous port parts you are of course as well needed by the shell port
15:42 manuq: actually i think you could help maintaining there as well ;p
15:42 manuq I'm glad to help in that front
15:42 erikos silbe: and comments from your side, re adding manu as maintainer to those modules?
15:42 manuq benzea: sure, I will start ccing you as well
15:43 erikos benzea: great, if you then have a spare moment, your commenst are always welcome
15:44 benzea erikos: sure, shouldn't be too much work to have a quick look, though I have to admit that I don't know the gtk3 theme that well ...
15:44 erikos benzea: ok, we can change that ;p
15:44 silbe erikos: it's your choice. I'm not a maintainer for sugar-toolkit-gtk3 and haven't reviewed sugar-artwork patches so far (they're too deep in GTK mystery land).
15:44 erikos benzea: actually are you going to GUADEC this year?
15:45 silbe: and about the shell (sugar module)?
15:45 benzea erikos: nah, I can't take the time off from this internship I am doing :-(
15:45 erikos benzea: sigh
15:46 benzea I would be more likely to go somewhere for a weekend ....
15:46 silbe erikos: Having many people who can ack' patches muddles the waters. It leads to either disagreements and confusement resulting from one person ack'ing the patch and the other refusing it and / or stalled patches because nobody feels responsible.
15:46 erikos benzea: we can see if we can do a camp this year at some point
15:47 benzea we'll see
15:47 silbe s/confusement/confusion/
15:47 erikos silbe: sure there is this risk, but from my experience this can work
15:48 silbe: we had it like that before and it was less pressure for everyone
15:48 silbe: of course if would be 10 people maintaining...;p
15:48 silbe erikos: I'm less confident about it than you are.
15:49 erikos silbe: you can think about it, don't want to overrun you here
15:49 dnarvaez from a new contributor perspective it would be cool if patches was replied to quickly, more maintainers will likely help that
15:49 danielf has quit IRC
15:50 gonzalo_ dnarvaez, +1
15:50 erikos is remembered of dnarvaez' open patch
15:50 dnarvaez erikos it was not my intention :P
15:50 danielf <danielf!~danielf@r186-50-183-212.dialup.adsl.anteldata.net.uy> has joined #sugar-meeting
15:50 erikos :)
15:51 silbe dnarvaez: quick review replies don't depend on the person doing the review to have ack "rights". quite the contrary, the more reviews are done before one of the maintainers looks at the patch, the more likely it is to be in good shape.
15:52 dnarvaez silbe quick non-ack reviews are cool too, but quick ack is more imo, especially if you are new
15:52 gonzalo_ silbe, but waiting for only one person with "rights" to ack is not healty for a project
15:52 caspar how many people do ack?
15:53 gonzalo_ right now erikos and silbe, right?
15:53 silbe dnarvaez: Caspar and I have reviewed your gnome-keyring related patch today, BTW. We did the review offline and will reply via email later. Thanks for your patch, it's looking good, just a few improvements on the non-code side would be useful.
15:53 erikos gonzalo_: yes
15:53 gonzalo_ in the past was tomeu too
15:53 dnarvaez silbe awesome thanks
15:54 erikos gonzalo_: past-past ;p
15:54 manuq dnarvaez: good to see you here, maybe you can introduce yourself next meeting, seems that your interests cover development environments :)
15:54 dnarvaez manuq will do :)
15:54 gonzalo_ erikos, it's true
15:54 cjl notes tah buildbot is back in operation, no L10n chokes
15:55 erikos cjl: yeah!!!
15:55 dnarvaez: thanks a lot for that work!
15:55 cjl erikos, thanks for the branching, I think it was the key
15:56 erikos cjl: yeah, we are getting there, thanks for all that hard work
15:56 dnarvaez cjl builds should be triggered automatically now
15:56 erikos :)
15:56 cjl will slowly feed in some more L10n commits to finish off rolling sugar-base strings into sugar-toolkit-gtk3
15:56 erikos dnarvaez: is it public already?
15:57 cjl http://176.58.108.37:8010/waterfall
15:57 dnarvaez erikos it's still on my machine, waiting for bernie to give me root on the machines we will use
15:57 erikos perfect!
15:58 great, I think it was nice to have a bit of a more informal meeting today
15:58 without to many hard topics on the agenda
15:59 cjl hard topics will come :-)\
15:59 erikos a lot of improvements those days, on many areas, infrastructure, people, translations...
15:59 and I am currently working on the shell port myself, so stay tuned for patches
16:00 manuq erikos: interesting!
16:00 gonzalo_ good, we need more hands (and brains oc course :) )
16:00 cjl erikos, please ping me if you know of a commit tha twill cahnge strings, I want to keep a close eye on the Poolte branch as it begins to diverge
16:01 erikos cjl: yes, I will do my best to do so
16:01 cjl thanks
16:01 Just the first one or tow
16:02 silbe erikos: looking forward to your patches.
16:02 erikos great, so let's close here
16:03 ---no action items today---
16:03 ajay raises his hand.
16:03 erikos school finishes early!
16:03 ajay: yes, please
16:03 was so close to finish the meeting :)
16:03 ajay erikos: any news regarding http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/3605 ?
16:04 erikos ajay: if we would have more maintainers..., sigh
16:04 ajay erikos: i am sorry erikos.. I didn't quite understand :\
16:05 erikos ajay: sorry, I was half kidding
16:05 ajay erikos: :D
16:06 erikos: so perhaps I should send to silbe/manuq for final ack? (Just querying.. no offense meant)
16:06 erikos ajay: sure, silbe can review/ack
16:07 silbe ajay: as mentioned before, I'm not convinced we're not opening ourselves up for a race conditon here. We should figure out why the mountpoint property is missing in this particular case, instead of working around the potential lack but still keeping the property around.
16:07 erikos would be appreciated from my side
16:08 ok, you can sort this out after the meeting, I preume
16:08 3
16:09 starts short countdonw
16:09 short meeting = short countdown
16:09 m_anish 2.000000000001 (damn floats)
16:09 silbe 1.90
16:09 m_anish :P
16:09 ajay 1.00000001
16:09 f_36 <f_36!~User@213.231.147.225> has joined #sugar-meeting
16:10 erikos knows now what people do in their free time
16:10 0
16:10 #endmeeting
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