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meeting |
Meeting started Tue Feb 7 15:01:30 2012 UTC. The chair is erikos. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting |
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erikos |
who is around for the dev meeting? |
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silbe |
is there |
| 15:01 |
walterbender |
hi |
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hoboprimate_ <hoboprimate_!~jobezone bl14-71-8.dsl.telepac.pt> has joined #sugar-meeting |
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erikos |
walterbender: silbe hi |
| 15:03 |
manuq |
hi everybody |
| 15:04 |
gonzalo__ |
hello walterbender silbe erikos manuq and all |
| 15:04 |
erikos |
hey manuq and gonzalo__ |
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looks like we can start |
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#topic status of the GTK3 port |
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news on this one please! |
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walterbender |
manuq: aside: thanks for the patch for Yupana :) |
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m_anish |
hi |
| 15:06 |
manuq |
walterbender: you are welcome :) |
| 15:06 |
erikos |
* last week we have released 0.95.4 with a new toolkit and a new artwork |
| 15:06 |
benzea |
hello |
| 15:06 |
erikos |
hi m_anish and benzea |
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we just started, with the GTK3 port topic |
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manuq: we should do a new browse release today to give out our latest work |
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manuq |
erikos: perfect |
| 15:08 |
erikos |
our current blocker in Browse is to provide a customized filechooser |
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but we are working with upstream to extend the API in webkitgtk to solve this |
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knocks on wood |
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walterbender: what is the status for TA and Abacus? |
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manuq |
yes, I will try to patch webkit, and talk with upstream |
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erikos |
walterbender: are they cairo-based now? |
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manuq: yes |
| 15:12 |
walterbender |
yes |
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erikos |
walterbender: and ported as wll to gtk3? |
| 15:12 |
walterbender |
erikos: all of my activities are cairo based |
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erikos: but I only ported Abacus so far |
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the port is relatively straight forward |
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I was wanted to make sure that Abacus was OK before propogating the changes to the other activities |
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also, we never settle the issue of whether or not to adopt cscott's approach: backward compatibnility to gtk-2 |
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although as I recall, it was not looked upon too favorably |
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erikos |
walterbender: ok |
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gonzalo__ |
erikos, and we agreed no start porting activities now.... |
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if not needed |
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right? |
| 15:16 |
walterbender |
once I have the green light, I think it will go quickly |
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erikos |
gonzalo__: well, if walter has time now he can |
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gonzalo__: but there is no pressure, was just wondering |
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walterbender |
erikos: I anticipate time in the first couple of weeks in March. (I am traveling the next two weeks :P ) |
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gonzalo__ |
erikos, may be we can try to look at the state of the activities this week, i have not updated the matrix yet |
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erikos |
walterbender: ok |
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gonzalo__: state of which activities exactly? |
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gonzalo__ |
erikos, using drawables and other changes needed before porting to gtk3 |
| 15:21 |
erikos |
gonzalo__: schedule wise, this is only of interest if we need to do upstream work on that |
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gonzalo__: upstream as in toolkit or gtk3* |
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gonzalo__ |
walterbender, you have said will write a proposal to the metadata in activities needed by the learning team |
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erikos |
benzea: did you have anything you wanted to discuss on the gtk3 topic? |
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gonzalo__ |
walterbender, i lost it or is not published? |
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erikos |
anything on the gtk3 topic? |
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there is still work todo in the toolkit and artwork, if people want to help I can give them concrete items to work on |
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gonzalo__ |
erikos, there are a list? |
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erikos |
gonzalo__: not yet |
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should really do that |
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hints over to the next item |
| 15:26 |
gonzalo__ |
erikos, i can work this week a little on this (after finish Read work) |
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erikos |
gonzalo__: yes, I will do the list and then we can coordinate |
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gonzalo__: thanks! |
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benzea |
erikos: nope, I don't have anything |
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erikos |
benzea: ok |
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#topic current status of the development cycle |
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walterbender |
gonzalo__: aside: the learning team has been working with me on a metadata model... |
| 15:27 |
erikos |
so last week we have released 0.95.4 |
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http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0[…]/Roadmap#Schedule |
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API/Feature freeze is in place now |
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* http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]lobalTextToSpeech has been merged |
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manuq |
benzea: do you know if we can style the spin button to be out of the slider, so it looks like the previous? http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]k2_2011-12-08.png |
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erikos |
(Gonzalo should finish updating his Feature page) |
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gonzalo__ |
ok |
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erikos |
* http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]o_journal_anytime has been merged |
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(Walter should update the page to the current state as well) |
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* http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]oxy_configuration is still too unmature, so I would defer to 0.98 |
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benzea |
manuq: spinbutton -> slider knob? |
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manuq |
benzea: yes |
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benzea |
ah, just draw the slider smaller than it really is |
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erikos |
leaves some room for the slider discussion |
| 15:31 |
benzea |
we could also move it to a private query, or #sugar :-) |
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manuq |
benzea: how can I draw the slider smaller? with padding? |
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benzea: ok, better |
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erikos |
benzea: no, this is what the meeting is for :) |
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silbe |
erikos: I'm currently reworking the proxy patch and hope to have it ready by the end of the day. If it's good enough for you (as I hope), we can still get it in. At least it'll be in a better shape than the text-to-speech panel ;) |
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benzea |
manuq: hm, not sure about that; but simply drawing it smaller is what the GTK+ 2 theme does |
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benzea |
manuq: adding padding on all sides seems like the right thing to do it |
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(unless that makes the knob smaller) |
| 15:34 |
manuq |
benzea: yes, that does the knob smaller |
| 15:35 |
benzea |
manuq: hm, not good, might require engine intervention then |
| 15:35 |
manuq |
benzea, erikos, maybe we let the meeting continue and we can talk later |
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silbe |
erikos: if you still consider it too late for 0.98 (as I might myself ;) ), we should branch off sucrose-0.98 this week and land the patch in master (as agreed during Sugar Camp Paris 2011). |
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gonzalo__ |
don't understand silbe jokes |
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benzea |
manuq: you could also ask Company on #gtk+ or #gnome-design; he will know |
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manuq |
benzea: I've seen adwaita theme does it |
| 15:35 |
silbe |
(after review, of course) |
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manuq |
benzea: ok, thanks! |
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benzea |
manuq: good point that the adwaita theme does something like that for the trough |
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ok, I don't think there is much more to discuss about the slider for now |
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manuq |
erikos: please go on |
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erikos |
silbe: how was the text-to-speech panel in a bad shape? |
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silbe |
erikos: see my previous reviews |
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erikos |
silbe: just because you are nitpicky does not mean something is in a bad shape |
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gonzalo__ |
silbe, can you point to a _single_ problem with the text to speech feature? your comments are rreally annoying to me now |
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silbe |
erikos: I'm not saying it's in a bad shape (that was your choice of words), but I consider the new proxy settings to be at least in equally good shape. |
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gonzalo__ |
silbe, and really, you can't compare the state of one patch and the other |
| 15:44 |
silbe |
gonzalo__: off the top of my head, one thing that still isn't done is listening for gconf updates. |
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gonzalo__ |
silbe, yeah, but you know no other conf in sugar is doing it |
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silbe, nd i don't see a kid using gconftool-2 |
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silbe, then, do not have use |
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silbe |
gonzalo__: but let's leave it at that, the patch is in and I don't see anyone working on it in the near future, so all we're going to do is fight. |
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gonzalo__ |
silbe, then try to have a constructive tone |
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m_anish |
silbe, gonzalo__ I dont have a background on the patch/work, but making a generic statement. Various deployments consider better interoperability between gnome and sugar an important goal |
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gonzalo__ |
m_anish, i agree, but we are not talking about that |
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m_anish |
gonzalo__, ok |
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silbe |
gonzalo__: re-reading my original comment, it might be seen as unconstructive. I apologise. |
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gonzalo__ |
silbe, thanks |
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erikos |
ok, let's move on |
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about the proxy setting, I think it is a bit late landing it |
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because it naturally will take a few more days to sort things out |
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gonzalo__ |
is a very good feature to have, is sad we did not have more interaction before |
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erikos |
gonzalo__: yes, I agree completely |
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it is a duty of the Feature owner to drive the integration process |
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and that have not been the case here |
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silbe |
erikos: no problem, we can land it in master then. |
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erikos |
silbe: yes, I think it is better at this stage |
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for testing all the new goodies we will have an olpc build soon |
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we should as well encourage testers now to give feedback |
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once we have the build we can encurage the olpc-testers mailing list |
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others welcome |
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if someone is interested in organizing testing days or similar would be a big win as well |
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there is some room for people to shine :) |
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apart from that: |
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keep the schedule in mind: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0[…]/Roadmap#Schedule |
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next freeze is UI/String freeze at the end of this month |
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(and this is a short month :) |
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comments, questions? |
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gonzalo__ |
erikos, we should talk with cjl to try to improve coordination with translatords |
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erikos |
gonzalo__: yes, very good point |
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gonzalo__: and get the fixes in he asked for |
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gonzalo__ |
yes |
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erikos |
silbe: you have been looking at those patches, right? |
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silbe |
erikos: which patches exactly are you talking about right now? |
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erikos |
silbe: the traslation fixes |
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looks for the names |
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"Localization fixes." |
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http://patchwork.sugarlabs.org/patch/1134/ |
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silbe: ^ |
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silbe |
erikos: yes, I have. Some are good enough and should be pushed (after some tweaking of the description), but for a few others I'm not sure Sugar is the right place to fix it and I'm waiting for feedback. |
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erikos |
silbe: ok, I can have a look and give feedback then |
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erikos |
anything else? |
| 16:03 |
silbe |
erikos: thanks! |
| 16:05 |
erikos |
starts the countdown then |
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5 |
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manuq |
4 |
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gonzalo__ |
go erikos, go |
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erikos |
3 |
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gonzalo__ |
2 |
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erikos |
1 |
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#endmeeting |
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meeting |
Meeting ended Tue Feb 7 16:06:27 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
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