| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 15:54 | meeting | Meeting started Tue Nov 1 15:54:34 2011 UTC. The chair is erikos. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:54 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting | |
| 15:54 | gonzalo_ | ha ha |
| 15:55 | erikos | branch name: sugar-0.94 or sucrose-0.94 ? |
| 15:55 | garycmartin | it momentarily confused next version of Sugar will still be GTK3+ compatible |
| 15:56 | walterbender | garycmartin: that is the hope |
| 15:56 | garycmartin | so should the branch name be sugar-0.96, the last working build? |
| 15:57 | or am I very confused. | |
| 15:58 | manuq | ok, I'll give +1 to sugar-0.94 as the convention name for an activitie's branch that works on GTK-2, as it's simpler from the devs point of view |
| 15:58 | cjl | gasry name is for the gtk2 version remaining behind |
| 15:59 | gonzalo_ | erikos, the plan is move sugar module to use instrospection in 0.96 cycle? |
| 15:59 | manuq | garycmartin: we are voting the convention name for the branch of activities, not for sugar |
| 16:00 | erikos | #action check if ASLO supports well having different activity versions, dotted versions and major versions |
| 16:00 | cjl | garycmartin: The gtk3 version just becomes master (if branched at all) the gtk2 branch will have a recommended naming standard |
| 16:00 | erikos | garycmartin: you will work for gtk3 on the master branch, no forking needed |
| 16:00 | cjl | thinks he got that right |
| 16:00 | erikos | garycmartin: you can fork again for GTK4 :) |
| 16:01 | garycmartin | isn't the activity branch for indicating the last gtk2 compatible sugar it will run on? |
| 16:01 | erikos | gonzalo_: you mean, that we access GTK3 through introspection in the sugar-toolkit? |
| 16:01 | gonzalo_ | erikos, yes |
| 16:02 | erikos | gonzalo_: the new toolkit already does that, there are no static bindings anymore, so we have to :) |
| 16:02 | garycmartin: the 'sucrose-0.94' will be the gtk2 branch, master will be the future branch (new features GTK3)... | |
| 16:03 | gonzalo_ | erikos, yeah, but sugar module, need be ported to the new sugar-toolkit |
| 16:03 | the views, journal... | |
| 16:03 | erikos | gonzalo_: the shell? ok... |
| 16:03 | gonzalo_: if we have time, we do yes, otherwise the shell (sugar) accesses the old toolkit | |
| 16:04 | garycmartin | is now positive he's very confused about branches and naming. |
| 16:04 | erikos | gonzalo_: lets see how fast we move on with the toolkit porting and with the activity work |
| 16:04 | gonzalo_ | erikos, ok |
| 16:05 | erikos | garycmartin: I can write it up in the porting guide and show you the example in the hello-world activity, is that fine? |
| 16:05 | garycmartin | erikos: sure. |
| 16:05 | gonzalo_ | erikos, i have another concern related to branches, and pootle specifically |
| 16:05 | erikos | #action check which activities uses a drawable which has to be replaced by cairo calls |
| 16:06 | #action write up cairo porting guide (walter) | |
| 16:06 | gonzalo_: shoot | |
| 16:07 | gonzalo_ | erikos, right now pootle is using projects related to branches, if we create a sugar-0.94 branch in every ported activity, we will need document the developer should report to pootle maintainers |
| 16:08 | erikos | gonzalo_: yes |
| 16:08 | gonzalo_ | and pootle mainteiners will need create a honey094 project |
| 16:08 | and add every activity | |
| 16:08 | right? | |
| 16:08 | cjl | gonzalo I don't think I want to do that. I think we keep Pootle focused on master |
| 16:09 | Id someone doesn't branch, it is still pointed at the right place. | |
| 16:09 | erikos | gonzalo_ yes I think focusing on master is ok |
| 16:09 | cjl | If someone does (and wants t orelease a gtk2 backport), they can deal with pomerge themselves. |
| 16:09 | gonzalo_ | cjl, we can agree in a "no string changes" in the old branch |
| 16:09 | erikos | gonzalo_ we just should tell the activity author to not port back stuff with strings |
| 16:09 | right | |
| 16:10 | cjl | gonzalo_ Iwould say strign changes on gtk2 branch will nto be supported in Poolte. |
| 16:10 | erikos | ok, let's wrap up, we are already over time |
| 16:10 | gonzalo_ | cjl, the problem will be all the user in gtk2 we will have for a few years |
| 16:10 | erikos | I will work on the porting instructions after the meeting, help welcome |
| 16:10 | espacially when there are questions that come up while following the guide | |
| 16:10 | gonzalo_ | we have users using sugar 0.84 now (and probably 0.82 too) |
| 16:11 | cjl | gonzalo_ we can discuss more after meeting |
| 16:11 | erikos | and I will send it for review etc of course |
| 16:11 | garycmartin | erikos: So I guess as we move an activity over to GTK3, we can also strip out all the backwards compatibility tweaks for old Sugar toolbars and suck like as well. |
| 16:11 | erikos | garycmartin: yes |
| 16:11 | garycmartin: we can do the bg cleanup | |
| 16:12 | ok, as noted in the mail, this will be a weekly meeting, so we will see again next week | |
| 16:12 | I ant to keep the meetings short so externals can easily plan and participate | |
| 16:12 | if people want to chat more after the meeting, ok, and great | |
| 16:12 | walterbender | weekly or biweekly ? devel team meetings inbetween? |
| 16:13 | erikos | walterbender: weekly, this is the devel team meeting |
| 16:13 | gonzalo_ | ok |
| 16:13 | walterbender | erikos: OK... |
| 16:13 | cjl | walterbender: you asre thinking alternating desgn and activ ity team perhaps? |
| 16:13 | erikos | thanks everyone for attending! |
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| 16:14 | meeting | Meeting ended Tue Nov 1 16:14:12 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
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