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15:58 |
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Meeting started Mon Oct 3 15:58:15 2011 UTC. The chair is garycmartin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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15:58 |
manuq |
garycmartin: gonzalo, the reorder seems very good to me, and a little change |
15:59 |
garycmartin |
So should we start with Memorize or is that time passed? ;-) |
15:59 |
gonzalo |
manuq: you read the state of the affairs with Memorize |
15:59 |
manuq |
gonzalo: yes |
15:59 |
gonzalo |
garycmartin: can we start with the list of topics we want to talk? |
15:59 |
silbe |
is confused about "Honey" activities. Isn't honey composed of Fructose and Glucose (plus some other non-sweet components)? |
15:59 |
manuq |
resume: we have two hours for testing to death in order to include it |
16:00 |
garycmartin |
manuq: gonzalo did you see my email quick screen grab? |
16:00 |
gonzalo |
garycmartin: yes |
16:01 |
manuq |
garycmartin: yes, as I said, i find the reorder better |
16:01 |
gonzalo |
ok guys, please, before starting with memorize, let us organize the meeting |
16:01 |
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topics: |
16:01 |
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* Memorize |
16:02 |
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* next meetings proposal (gonzalo) |
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16:02 |
gonzalo |
* discuss manu & gonzalo review? |
16:02 |
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what topics you want to talk? |
16:02 |
manuq |
* redesign of powerd "please confirm" screen (manuq) |
16:03 |
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16:03 |
garycmartin |
any more? |
16:04 |
manuq |
that's all from my side |
16:05 |
gonzalo |
is ready |
16:05 |
garycmartin |
#topic Memorize toolbar rework |
16:06 |
gonzalo |
garycmartin: toolbar rework is not a appropriate description anymore :) |
16:06 |
garycmartin |
:-) |
16:06 |
gonzalo |
ok, the situation is, we are late, very late |
16:06 |
garycmartin |
yes for Memorize it had a cascade effect into other issues with the old design. |
16:07 |
gonzalo |
i can do a change like the reorder of buttons, because is zero risk |
16:07 |
manuq |
yes |
16:07 |
gonzalo |
but i am not happy with pushing more changes |
16:07 |
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i think for a cycle we already did a lot of changes |
16:07 |
manuq |
and gonzalo, maybe go back with the string changes for this release? |
16:08 |
gonzalo |
manuq: the old strings were badly selected (by me) |
16:08 |
garycmartin |
manuq were you +1 for the toolbar order of Restart, Demo, 4x4? |
16:08 |
manuq |
gonzalo: ok |
16:08 |
gonzalo |
and were not present in the last version |
16:08 |
manuq |
garycmartin: yes, at all |
16:09 |
gonzalo |
manuq: you think is ok remove the code to enable/disable the restart button? |
16:09 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: by 'not happy with pushing more changes' do you not want to remove the Restart button auto enable/disable. It's pretty distracting and removing it means less code not more ;-) |
16:09 |
gonzalo |
don't want remove this code now |
16:10 |
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garycmartin: may be we can fill a ticket and remove it in one month? |
16:11 |
manuq |
I know gonzalo did an effort to ensure that button is disabled in several cases |
16:11 |
gonzalo |
testing all the possible interactions is a nightmare |
16:12 |
garycmartin |
manuq: but not all :-( that would be the but I would file. There are already two cases where it does not disable when it should. |
16:12 |
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So that would need changes to fix. |
16:12 |
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(verses deleting ~8 lines of code) |
16:12 |
manuq |
garycmartin: it will simplify code, yes |
16:13 |
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the meaning of the button disabled is just "first move", or "game just started" |
16:13 |
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is not very useful |
16:13 |
gonzalo |
garycmartin: i am not worried about these 8 lines, i am worried of enabling another unthought interaction |
16:14 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: Hmmm, what was the original behaviour (goes looking for an old memorize) |
16:16 |
gonzalo |
garycmartin: please! fill a ticket, I can't push more changes now |
16:17 |
garycmartin |
:-(( OK |
16:17 |
gonzalo |
the activity will not be accepted and finally all this work will be rejected and we will distribute memorize 36 |
16:17 |
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i will inlcude your icon and reorder the icons |
16:18 |
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the widgets |
16:18 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: so should I file tickets for the two cases where the Reset button does not correctly disable? |
16:18 |
manuq |
garycmartin: it wasn't a restart button in the old memorize! |
16:18 |
gonzalo |
or a ticket to remove the behavior at all |
16:19 |
manuq |
so, the current changes are already a very good improvement |
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let's try to push it |
16:20 |
garycmartin |
manuq: Yes there was. Just found an old copy. 'Restart Game' was the first button in the toolbar, and it was active all the time. |
16:21 |
manuq |
garycmartin: ah, found it, you are right |
16:21 |
garycmartin |
manuq: just had a different icon (3x3 grid with a grey down arrow) |
16:21 |
manuq |
garycmartin: yes, I confused it with the current activity icon |
16:22 |
garycmartin |
manuq: clicking it refreshed the board even if you've not started playing yet. |
16:22 |
manuq |
garycmartin: yes |
16:23 |
gonzalo |
garycmartin, manuq: any other ticket you want to fill? :D |
16:23 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: I'll file a bug with my patch right after the meeting. |
16:23 |
gonzalo |
garycmartin: perfect |
16:24 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: I'll pull a fresh git clone after this meeting to make sure I'm with your latest changes. |
16:25 |
gonzalo |
garycmartin, manuq: ok, all the test we can do is welcomed |
16:25 |
garycmartin |
ok next topic? |
16:25 |
manuq |
gonzalo, yes, I will start testing right after the meeting |
16:25 |
gonzalo |
next meetings proposal |
16:26 |
garycmartin |
#topic Next meeting proposal |
16:26 |
gonzalo |
i have a idea to discuss |
16:26 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: go for it! |
16:26 |
gonzalo |
now we have the "Design Team" and the "Activity Team" |
16:26 |
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but most of the people involved in one is in the other :) |
16:27 |
garycmartin |
:) |
16:27 |
gonzalo |
may be we can do one week Design team meeting and the next activity team meeting |
16:27 |
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i think we did a lot of design work in the last months |
16:28 |
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and we can go toa more relaxed rythm now :) |
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and... |
16:28 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: sounds good to me |
16:29 |
gonzalo |
may be we need do a list of homework for the next meeting and come to the meeting with topics prepared |
16:29 |
manuq |
gonzalo: is good if you mean the discussion in one week serves to the next, design > code > design > ... |
16:30 |
garycmartin |
There is a team of things on the meetings page, but it's like an ever growing list of things we can only make slow progress on. |
16:30 |
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s/team/ream/ |
16:30 |
manuq |
garycmartin: in parallel, after the release of 11.3.0 , I would like to revisit the HIG with you |
16:31 |
garycmartin |
manuq: +1 |
16:31 |
gonzalo |
manuq, not only code, opne task can be "prepare a proposal mockup to ...." |
16:31 |
manuq |
garycmartin: and go over the tasks you proposed for the Design Team |
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gonzalo: sounds good |
16:31 |
garycmartin |
manuq: I was thinking we could tackle the HIG as a series of smaller documents. So we could do a couple of pages of text/examples covering the new toolbar guidelines as a first step. |
16:32 |
manuq |
garycmartin: yes! I have to document bundles usage in icons, it's in my TODO list |
16:33 |
garycmartin |
manuq: that way we can have a few cycles where the community reads the smaller document through and agrees or not with the points. |
16:33 |
gonzalo |
garycmartin: this is a good example of a task is better do out of the meeting, and use the meeting to discuss/review |
16:33 |
manuq |
garycmartin: sounds good |
16:34 |
garycmartin |
OK, so it sounds like +1 for alternate weeks of design vs activity team meetings! What should we have next week? |
16:35 |
gonzalo |
activities! :) |
16:35 |
manuq |
ok for me |
16:35 |
garycmartin |
#agreed Alternate meetings for the Design and Activity Team (particularly due to the overlap in membership) |
16:36 |
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OK, Activity Team meeting next Monday. No skiving off now!!! ;-) |
16:36 |
gonzalo |
garycmartin: can you send a mail to sugar-devel to publish it? |
16:36 |
garycmartin |
#action garycmartin to notify mail-list of change in meetings. |
16:37 |
silbe |
don't forget the calendar |
16:37 |
garycmartin |
silbe: I don't have access. |
16:37 |
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silbe: It's just Walter I thought? |
16:37 |
gonzalo |
silbe: who can write in the calendar? |
16:38 |
garycmartin |
next topic (don't want to eat up Memorize testing hrs)? |
16:38 |
silbe |
I have no idea :) |
16:38 |
garycmartin |
#topic Discuss manu & gonzalo review |
16:39 |
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gonzalo: do you want to dive into this one? |
16:39 |
manuq |
with the toolbar catalog updated, we went through oll of them and found some things to make better |
16:40 |
garycmartin |
manuq: ah yes the email I still haven't replied to yet! |
16:40 |
gonzalo |
garycmartin: did you discussed it with walter the last week |
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? |
16:40 |
manuq |
garycmartin: yes, and we send an email last week |
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I can move the review to a wiki page |
16:41 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: I may have indirectly chatted to Walter about some items. But I know he dived in and made some changes right away. |
16:42 |
gonzalo |
yes, i saw patches |
16:42 |
manuq |
garycmartin: yes, he did |
16:42 |
garycmartin |
manuq: gonzalo: It's a really good review, let me get to it offline and send a reply. Sorry for letting it slip a week. |
16:42 |
gonzalo |
garycmartin: ok, i think is better do it offline |
16:43 |
manuq |
garycmartin: thanks for your time! |
16:43 |
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your feedback is appreciated |
16:43 |
garycmartin |
#action garycmartin to follow up on Toolbar review email from last week. |
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OK next, yes? |
16:44 |
gonzalo |
yes |
16:44 |
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redesign of powerd "please confirm" screen (manuq)? |
16:44 |
garycmartin |
#topic Redesign of powerd "please confirm" screen |
16:44 |
gonzalo |
manuq: what is this screen? |
16:44 |
garycmartin |
manuq: What were you considering? |
16:45 |
manuq |
gonzalo: is the screen that appears when you first click the shutdown button in the xo |
16:45 |
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first press, not click |
16:45 |
gonzalo |
ahh |
16:45 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: when you hit the power button you get a black/white screen indicating sleep, wake, power off actions. |
16:45 |
manuq |
yes |
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the current design was made to be replaced |
16:46 |
garycmartin |
hit power button again to shutdown, leave alone to sleep, mouse/keys to wake up. |
16:46 |
manuq |
and it would be nice to add text to it, it would be localizable |
16:46 |
gonzalo |
manuq: hmmm |
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i think is a image |
16:47 |
garycmartin |
manuq: it's currently a 1 bit png I think. |
16:47 |
manuq |
plus, I'm the owner of a ticket for thi s change: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/11294 |
16:47 |
gonzalo |
what information do you want to put in this image? |
16:47 |
garycmartin |
manuq: not sure abut adding text, that would be a lot of locale changes. |
16:48 |
gonzalo |
manuq: do you know where is the mentioned svg file? |
16:49 |
manuq |
garycmartin: yes but maybe we can do it in the long term |
16:49 |
gonzalo |
and is really waiting a confirmation? |
16:49 |
garycmartin |
manuq: yea, I've not seen the svg. I've definitely looked at the bit map at one point (I was wondering if I could make the angles smoother ;-)) |
16:50 |
manuq |
let me find the svg, I have the url here... |
16:50 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: It auto sleeps if you leave it for a few seconds, just the wake up, and power off are the extra actions a user could take. |
16:50 |
gonzalo |
manuq: just tested , and pressing ESC the process was stopped! |
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never tried before |
16:51 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: correct, any key should wake it |
16:51 |
manuq |
yes |
16:51 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: or wiggle the mouse. |
16:51 |
manuq |
the svg is in this repo: git://dev.laptop.org/users/pgf/powerd |
16:52 |
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and now here too: http://dev.laptop.org/~manuq/pleaseconfirm.svg |
16:53 |
garycmartin |
http://dev.laptop.org/git/user[…]pleaseconfirm.svg |
16:53 |
gonzalo |
manuq: well, i am sure you can improve it :) |
16:53 |
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but i am not sure about adding text |
16:55 |
manuq |
I think that the graphics meaning can be improved with text, but I know it will bring a lot of translations |
16:55 |
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and yes, the current graphic design can be improved, I will come with a proposal for the next meeting |
16:55 |
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or via email |
16:56 |
garycmartin |
manuq: well worth a little exploring. No critical rush though I guess. |
16:56 |
manuq |
garycmartin: right |
16:57 |
gonzalo |
manuq: is possible do a i18n of svg files, but later we will need create the pixmap at runtime |
16:57 |
manuq |
gonzalo: or at build time |
16:58 |
gonzalo |
manuq: but we don't want include 60 different pixmaps.... |
16:58 |
manuq |
gonzalo: in the repo, there is a image in pgm format |
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gonzalo: yes, the amount of images can be a lot |
16:59 |
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the current one has 436K |
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adding text to a svg is an easy task, because it's just a text file |
17:00 |
gonzalo |
ok, anything more? |
17:00 |
manuq |
no from me |
17:01 |
gonzalo |
garycmartin: ? |
17:01 |
garycmartin |
All done I think! |
17:01 |
manuq |
good! |
17:01 |
garycmartin |
Time to Memorize... |
17:01 |
manuq |
yes, let's switch to review & testing mode |
17:01 |
garycmartin |
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