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Meeting started Mon Sep 19 15:05:59 2011 UTC. The chair is garycmartin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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garycmartin |
#topic Finish Memorize re-design work! |
15:07 |
gonzalo |
garycmartin: yeeeeeeeeeeees, please :) |
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garycmartin: i don't know if you tried with spanish |
15:08 |
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but clear and stop button fall out |
15:08 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: What do you need to close out a 'final' version ASAP? Icons to replace the combo widget so we don't overflow the toolbar in spanish? |
15:09 |
gonzalo |
garycmartin: you say, we can have a subtoolbar with a button for every demo game? |
15:10 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: well that can be one option... |
15:11 |
gonzalo |
garycmartin: another option can be a button with a menu in his palette, right? |
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but we should do the click in the button show the palette |
15:12 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: yep good, that's another option and avoids the secondary toolbar issues (canvas redraw, space loss, active/inactive). |
15:13 |
gonzalo |
and in this case, we only need one icon |
15:13 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: Yes clicking it should just reveal the palette. No primary action. |
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looks for something similar in another activity. |
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I suppose Chat and it's 'Insert smiley' is a similar behaviour, but shows a grid of options rather than a conventional list of menu items |
15:16 |
gonzalo |
garycmartin: yes |
15:16 |
garycmartin |
notes that we need to make a sugar set of emoticons for Char rather than the 3d graphic versions |
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s/Char/Chat/ |
15:17 |
gonzalo |
garycmartin: or change all the other icons in sugar o 3d :) |
15:18 |
garycmartin |
;-) |
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gonzalo: only if we can render them in realtime so they can use the user fill/stroke colours :-D |
15:19 |
gonzalo |
garycmartin: about the icon to demos in memorize, would use the box metaphor, right? |
15:20 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: Just looking for another example using a standard menu. Want to see if we need small icons next to the text. |
15:20 |
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gonzalo: box metaphor, yes. That's our new convention so we should stick too it ;) |
15:20 |
gonzalo |
yes |
15:23 |
garycmartin |
thinks Write might have been the example I was looking for but you've already fixed the export options as separate tool buttons now :) |
15:25 |
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Found an old version... OK so we didn't use icons next to each text item in that case. |
15:26 |
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gonzalo: So we can use "Load demo games" as the hint string (no string change) |
15:27 |
gonzalo |
yes |
15:27 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: and "Addition", "Letters", and "Sounds" can be the menu items (note the capitalised names). |
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15:27 |
gonzalo |
garycmartin: the names i18n ed |
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more string changes... |
15:28 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: are they currently localised? |
15:28 |
gonzalo |
yes |
15:29 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: from my chat with cjl, changing upper/lower case is not an issue. Something todo with fuzzy matching in pootle. |
15:29 |
gonzalo |
garycmartin: ok, good |
15:30 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: It just means that the strings might not use uppercase if they have not been changed in time, but they would still use the previous matching string. |
15:31 |
gonzalo |
garycmartin: can you prepare the icon? i am trying to code it to test the change |
15:31 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: Any thing else we are missing for Memorize? |
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15:32 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: yes I can make the icon. I'll do it right after the meeting and email it to you. |
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15:36 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: Oooh weird. I just noticed all the TamTam activities are named TamTamSuite. |
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(in the home view ring) |
15:37 |
gonzalo |
garycmartin: should be solved inthe last version |
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60 |
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garycmartin |
:) |
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15:39 |
gonzalo |
garycmartin: do you think we are ok with memorize? |
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do you want chat about other topic? |
15:41 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: Yea I think that should do us for the memorise design work, there was one corner case I spotted but have not added a ticket for yet. |
15:42 |
m_anish |
reads backlog |
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garycmartin |
FWIW: you can get memorize's knickers in a twist if you raise one of the discard alert (by clicking clear or changing demo), then changing to the other play/edit mode, then using the warning alert to discard the tiles. |
15:43 |
gonzalo |
think we should reclute m_anish :) |
15:44 |
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garycmartin: ohh :( |
15:44 |
m_anish |
gonzalo, reclute? |
15:45 |
gonzalo |
m_anish: activity / design team :) |
15:46 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: no big fireworks or anything, just end up with different tile states in the play and edit modes, until you've toggled back and forward again. |
15:46 |
m_anish |
gonzalo, :) |
15:47 |
gonzalo |
m_anish: was a but translation, i wanted say recruit |
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but you have the idea |
15:47 |
m_anish |
gonzalo, heh, yah |
15:48 |
gonzalo |
garycmartin: may be we should close pending alerts if change mode? |
15:49 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: can the alert be applied to the current mode, rather than the one it was triggered from? |
15:51 |
gonzalo |
hmm |
15:51 |
garycmartin |
m_anish: Just I noticed that abacus seems to be using a slightly different collection icon (the 3d box is much wider that the screen shot of the Catalog page). Perhaps I'm just out of sync with the latest version? |
15:52 |
gonzalo |
abacus 22? |
15:53 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: yep Abacus-22 |
15:53 |
m_anish |
garycmartin, don't know about abacus |
15:53 |
gonzalo |
yes is wider, may be we should ask to walter |
15:54 |
garycmartin |
OK, I assumed ho got the icon from one of us at some point ;) |
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s/ho/he/ |
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15:58 |
cjl |
wanders in. looks at backscroll to see mention of his name |
15:59 |
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memorize is in Honey and not subject ot string freeze. Changing case will acuse strings to be set as 'fuzzy", bu the fuzzy mathcing algorithm will populate them correctly. |
15:59 |
garycmartin |
cjl: Thanks for the confirmation :) |
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is surprised Memorize is Honey... |
16:00 |
cjl |
I can scan over fuzzies and fix and recommit. Already commit strigns will still be there. |
16:01 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: m_anish: Any other business for today? |
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#action garycmartin to send gonzalo a Memorize collection icon to replace the current toolbar text combo |
16:02 |
m_anish |
m_anish, hmm... just a thought... we sometimes discuss unexpected side-features while going through meeting topics and agree on som stuff.. but that probably gets lost in the meeting logs... if we could atleast open them as enhancement/defect tickets, it would be good IMO? |
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garycmartin, ^^ |
16:02 |
gonzalo |
garycmartin: may be we can try to update the catalog this week, and every one can have a homework, prepare a list of pending issues |
16:03 |
m_anish |
i vaguely remember there were a few things in the last meeting we attended... like browse -> 'don't load images' |
16:04 |
gonzalo |
m_anish: +1 |
16:04 |
m_anish |
garycmartin, gonzalo but _only_ for those issues on which there has been consensus :-) |
16:05 |
garycmartin |
m_anish: Yes I agree, OK other than, browse -> 'don't load images', can you think of another example (that one was a quick comment right at the end of a meeting if I remember). |
16:05 |
m_anish |
garycmartin, that's the one i remembered off the top of my head... can go through meeting logs quickly |
16:07 |
gonzalo |
in general, when we discussed tasks and there are a action defined, the involved developer is present |
16:07 |
garycmartin |
m_anish: I'm happy for folks to open enhancement request tickets even if consensus was not reached, we can use such tickets as part of our meetings and close them explaining the consensus reached. That way when they come up again in 6 months (they often do) we can refer folks back to the ticket :) |
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m_anish |
garycmartin, +1 |
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16:07erikos_garycmartin, we should add real global bookmarking at one point :/ |
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16:07garycmartin, has been pending for years |
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16:07(as a side hint) |
16:08 |
garycmartin |
#action Update toolbar Catalogue page over this week and each prepare a list of pending issues remaining. |
16:09 |
m_anish |
ah! another one... |
16:09 |
gonzalo |
garycmartin: i will ask manuel to help me with the catalog, and report when is ready |
16:09 |
m_anish |
http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]1-09-05#i_2690768 |
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(those are all i can find) |
16:13 |
garycmartin |
m_anish: Thanks, feel free to open tickets ;-b Perhaps we try to get things in order this week so we can finish or at least document unfinished activity toolbar work, and then do a sweep to try and catch other miscellaneous items that might fall between the cracks. Perhaps we need to spring clean our Design ToDo page. |
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http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/TODO |
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#link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/TODO |
16:14 |
m_anish |
garycmartin, is there a 'Design' component in trac for tickets? |
16:15 |
garycmartin |
m_anish: Not in SL bug tracker. I was thinking of requesting one, but I think folks have been adding keywords instead. |
16:15 |
m_anish |
garycmartin, ok, is there some standard keyword route, like we have r?, r-, r+, r! for normal patches? |
16:15 |
garycmartin |
m_anish: No. I lie, SL does have the design component.. |
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#link http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/quer[…]w&status=reopened |
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m_anish |
garycmartin, ah cool :) |
16:18 |
gonzalo |
garycmartin: a few can be closed... :) |
16:18 |
garycmartin |
m_anish: I don't think the design team has had a formal review/sign-off process on tickets. Maintainers would look for one of the team to report consensus on some solution reached. |
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gonzalo: :) |
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m_anish |
garycmartin, ok, so if we run out of things to discuss and have time on some days, we could work on these tickets :) collectively or individually? |
16:20 |
gonzalo |
we are in bug hunting season .... |
16:21 |
garycmartin |
m_anish: absolutely, just add comments/patches to the tickets. I see all ticket traffic anyway so can just continue a thread on the ticket if needed. |
16:21 |
m_anish |
garycmartin, cool |
16:22 |
garycmartin |
Our weekly realtime meetings should really try to focus on those topics we can't seem to solve off line individually. |
16:22 |
m_anish |
garycmartin, +1 |
16:23 |
garycmartin |
OK lets wrap up for today, same time, same place next week? |
16:23 |
gonzalo |
ok! |
16:24 |
m_anish |
yep |
16:24 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: m_anish: We should ping the ML with a reminder, see if Walter and other can make it here again. |
16:25 |
gonzalo |
yes |
16:25 |
garycmartin |
(maybe our current time is clashing with Walters schedule but a ML thread can discuss that) |
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(keeping it down to 1hr might also help more folks commit the time) |
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gonzalo |
garycmartin: next week Manuel and me will be in our sugar camp |
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is not paris but... |
16:27 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: Where? |
16:27 |
gonzalo |
Junin, Buenos Aires :) |
16:27 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: is our Monday time still good or should we move it? |
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gonzalo |
no for us the next week |
16:28 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: I expect to see some photos of the camp! |
16:28 |
gonzalo |
yeah :) |
16:28 |
manuq |
hello, sorry for being late |
16:28 |
garycmartin |
manuq: Hi! |
16:28 |
gonzalo |
garycmartin: but you did not sent photos from your camp :) |
16:29 |
garycmartin |
#link http://flic.kr/s/aHsjway4Q5 |
16:29 |
manuq |
hi garycmartin! |
16:29 |
garycmartin |
gonzalo: And someone how had a real camera (I had too much to carry so only had my iPad)... |
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#link http://flic.kr/s/aHsjw2NsHD |
16:30 |
gonzalo |
garycmartin: ohh, nice :) |
16:30 |
manuq |
garycmartin: wow those are light probe images! |
16:31 |
garycmartin |
manuq: we were just about to wrap up for today, was there anything you especially needed to cover? |
16:31 |
manuq |
garycmartin: no, I think I will read the logs |
16:32 |
garycmartin |
manuq: I have high hopes we can get the xo1.75 recording panoramas as some point now that it has an accelerometer inside to reduce the computational requirements of matching up images. |
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gonzalo |
garycmartin: really? would be great! |
16:32 |
manuq |
garycmartin: wow that would be awesome! |
16:32 |
garycmartin |
manuq: but that is a discussion for the Activity Team, not the Design Team ;-) |
16:33 |
manuq |
garycmartin: I have some experience using hugin application for joining images |
16:33 |
garycmartin |
manuq: yea I occasional use that one also on my Mac. |
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OK, count down resumed... |
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