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meeting |
Meeting started Wed Jul 27 14:01:52 2011 UTC. The chair is m_anish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting |
| 14:02 |
m_anish |
welcome all :-) |
| 14:02 |
silbe |
is there, just still busy filling out the CP form :) |
| 14:02 |
m_anish |
silbe, ah :) |
| 14:02 |
silbe |
(for the XO-1.75) |
| 14:03 |
m_anish |
First, lets start with a couple of updates... |
| 14:04 |
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(1) We settled on the way we'll handle .au support requests. all requests will be sent to support activitycentral.com and cced to jvonau yama` and me or rafael. We expect that all AC devs will be subscribed to that list and anybody can answer the queries if they see a solution. |
| 14:04 |
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silbe, can you create a private mailing list with that id? |
| 14:05 |
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icarito <icarito!~urk190.125.188.199> has joined #sugar-meeting |
| 14:05 |
icarito |
hola |
| 14:05 |
m_anish |
icarito, hi, just started |
| 14:05 |
dirakx |
icarito: hola. |
| 14:05 |
silbe |
m_anish: shouldn't we call it support-au, au-support or something like that? |
| 14:06 |
icarito |
i'm having issues with internet, my wall voltage is I guess at 30% or so atm |
| 14:06 |
m_anish |
silbe, hmm, yah, I agree |
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icarito_web_just <icarito_web_just!~webchatjita.sugarlabs.org> has joined #sugar-meeting |
| 14:06 |
silbe |
m_anish: choose a name and I'll create the list. |
| 14:07 |
m_anish |
silbe, great! i think yama` sent you a list of all email id's from au side that need to be subscribed , also subscribe ALL AC devs |
| 14:08 |
icarito_web_just |
silbe, m_anish did you think maybe roundup could be a solution? |
| 14:08 |
silbe |
m_anish: yup, apart from the name I have everything I need. I'll just cascade it with team@. That way we cannot forgot to add someone to the list. |
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icarito_web_just: No, I don't think so. |
| 14:08 |
icarito_web_just |
http://roundup.sourceforge.net/docs/features.html |
| 14:08 |
m_anish |
silbe, ok |
| 14:08 |
silbe |
(overhead etc.) |
| 14:08 |
dirakx |
m_anish: silbe my opinion is that for simplicity we should name only support, plus the idea is to have all @team there. |
| 14:09 |
m_anish |
icarito_web_just, the mailing list soln, everybody's happy with :) |
| 14:10 |
silbe |
dirakx: there are not just AC devs on it, but also OLPC-AU members. If we get contracted by a different deployment, we probably wouldn't want OLPC-AU to get all the support mails, but rather just their own ones. |
| 14:10 |
m_anish |
silbe, dirakx i'm ok with either, we might need separate lists if we were to provide these services to more deployments in the future |
| 14:11 |
dirakx |
silbe: hmm right. |
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ok better support-au then. |
| 14:11 |
silbe |
m_anish: separating the lists is easy, just a few lines of config. Changing the name is much harder because it needs to be changed on a lot of systems and heads. |
| 14:12 |
m_anish |
silbe, ok, in that case, lets go with support-auactivitycentral.com as per dirakx suggestion |
| 14:13 |
silbe |
it might turn out that I need to duplicate the memberships right away if Mailman doesn't play nice, but I'll see that once I try. |
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m_anish: ok |
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icarito_web_just |
+1 |
| 14:13 |
dirakx |
+1. |
| 14:13 |
m_anish |
(although , au-support will be better in terms of text-autocomplete) ;-) |
| 14:13 |
silbe |
#action silbe to create ML support-au@ with team@ + OLPC-AU members listed in yama`s email |
| 14:14 |
m_anish |
ok, i'll leave silbe to chose :) |
| 14:14 |
icarito_web_just |
i still think a solution like roundup could help with these workflows |
| 14:15 |
silbe |
icarito_web_just: I'm wary of throwing another web service at it. If we have trouble doing it by email, we might look at possible tools, but for now it just increases the overhead of a) the people responding to support requests and b) the infra team. |
| 14:16 |
m_anish |
next (2) me, rafael had a meeting with Daniel (uy) on tuesday, and we settled on basic ticket workflow, which is quite similar to .au . FWIW, they use redmime as well |
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dirakx, do you have anything to add to that? |
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icarito_web_just |
i'm concerned it hurts the ability of non-devs to trace issues |
| 14:16 |
silbe |
and if we go for a web service, a second instance of Trac might be better than yet another service that needs to be maintained. |
| 14:16 |
dirakx |
m_anish: nope o.k. |
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icarito_web_just |
silbe: sorry to go on with this but roundup is not just a web service but an email management tool like rt and mailman |
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it creates a mailing list per issue acording to rules |
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silbe |
BTW, what's the exact purpose of au-support in comparison with dev.laptop.org.au? |
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icarito_web_just |
it just happens to have an ability to trace from the web, like you do with mailman archives |
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only friendlier |
| 14:18 |
dirakx |
m_anish: only that we will be having also accounts for our devs also in that redmine. |
| 14:18 |
m_anish |
dirakx, ahh, could you remind daniel for creating the accounts? |
| 14:18 |
dirakx |
silbe: au-support will be used by support on-site people of AU. |
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m_anish: sure. :) |
| 14:18 |
silbe |
icarito_web_just: of which we already have both and I can't even administer RT. :) |
| 14:19 |
icarito_web_just |
yes rt is a disaster but roundup is supposed to be meant to replace it |
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ok that was my last push sorry to bog the meeting down |
| 14:20 |
silbe |
icarito_web_just: I'm not saying we shouldn't even try it, just that the infra team is already too busy to have set up the OLPC-AU mirror in time. |
| 14:20 |
dirakx |
#action dirakx to remind daniel about dev accounts creation on UY's readmine. |
| 14:21 |
m_anish |
icarito_web_just, silbe , for .au atleast we'll be using mailing lists for now (since AU-AC has agreed to that)... we might consider these options for future deployments or when we look at it again in a couple of months |
| 14:21 |
silbe |
icarito_web_just: and FWIW I don't really like the Roundup web interface either (some other project uses it for issue tracking, though I don't remember which one). |
| 14:21 |
icarito |
sure whatever works is best :-) |
| 14:21 |
silbe |
m_anish: +1 |
| 14:22 |
dirakx |
yep, for now mailing lists are o.k but we should revisit in terms of scalability. |
| 14:22 |
silbe |
I haven't really understood the difference between the ML and the OLPC-AU bug tracker, though. In which case would you use one or the other? |
| 14:22 |
m_anish |
silbe, ah! ok, let me explain... |
| 14:23 |
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silbe, this mailing list is _only_ for support requests/queries from .au team. They just rolled out 10.1.3-au in field and this mailing list is meant to handle support requests for that... |
| 14:24 |
dirakx |
+1. |
| 14:24 |
m_anish |
silbe, for these requests, yama` and jvonau would be having answers, however, if they don't we'd handle them |
| 14:24 |
silbe |
m_anish: but why not file tickets on dev.laptop.org.au for those requests? Different audience? Reduced overhead? |
| 14:25 |
m_anish |
silbe, for everything else development wise the .au tracker will be used. |
| 14:25 |
silbe |
(I'm not suggesting to file tickets for everything, just trying to figure out what to use each channel for) |
| 14:26 |
m_anish |
silbe, yep, different audience, and reduced overhead. we don't need redmime complexity for answering queries (or that's what we think) :) |
| 14:26 |
silbe |
m_anish: let's phrase it differently: What's special about the requests that come in via the list? |
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m_anish: ok |
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m_anish |
silbe, so the mailing list would be for support queries w.r.t their 10.1.3-au . they typically won't require us to code anything, or submit any sort of patches etc... |
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silbe, the tracker would be used while developing dx12, fixing bugs/enhancements |
| 14:27 |
silbe |
ok, makes sense now, thx! |
| 14:27 |
m_anish |
silbe, yw :) |
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ok, moving on... |
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#topic porting, upstreaming and dx3-release |
| 14:29 |
icarito_web_just |
thinking maybe we can take advantage of redmine itself https://we.riseup.net/cgdev/us[…]mail-with-redmine |
| 14:30 |
m_anish |
silbe, I'm looking into the patches you told me to port, also managed to download latest build for xo-1, will let you know how the tests go |
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silbe, any roadblocks or anywhere we could help re: upstreaming. |
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silbe |
m_anish: which patches? I thought I had ported everything to DX3. |
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m_anish: or do you mean distro level patches (e.g. mesh) rather than Sugar? |
| 14:31 |
m_anish |
silbe, you had told me a couple.. mesh |
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silbe, yah |
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silbe |
ah, ok. |
| 14:32 |
m_anish |
#action m_anish ping esteban/uy re: accessibility patches |
| 14:32 |
silbe |
m_anish: the focus is on releasing DX-3 right now, no upstreaming work. |
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m_anish |
#action m_anish port disable-mesh patch |
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silbe, ok |
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silbe |
It's ok to ping esteban, of course :) |
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m_anish |
:-) |
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silbe |
But we've delayed the release for more than a week now, we should really get it finished. |
| 14:34 |
m_anish |
silbe, yah, agree! |
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silbe |
This release was meant for synchronising with the OLPC schedule. We're not exactly good on that front. :-/ |
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especially considering how few DX3 specific work has been done. |
| 14:36 |
m_anish |
silbe, yep, i was offline for a major part of dx-3 (1.5 months), so I couldn't follow the development much |
| 14:36 |
silbe |
m_anish: no offense meant |
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I'm grateful that you're helping now. |
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m_anish |
silbe, none taken :) |
| 14:38 |
silbe |
BTW, dirakx have you got around to testing DX3? Found anything yet? |
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#link http://download.sugarlabs.org/[…]rose/testing/dx3/ download location for DX3 builds |
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dirakx |
silbe: not yet..I've been busy on other stuff. but I'm going to test it today. I'll report any issues to you then. |
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silbe: or maybe bug-track it ?. |
| 14:40 |
silbe |
#info latest builds are dx3ng024 for XO-1 and dx3ng025 for XO-1.5 |
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dirakx: filing tickets on bugs.sl.o is preferred, but posting to dextrose@ is fine as well. |
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dirakx |
silbe: o.k |
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icarito |
silbe: is there a way I can try dx3 sugar branch in my regular system? |
| 14:42 |
dirakx |
#action dirakx to test dx3 latest build. |
| 14:43 |
icarito |
do I select a branch in git sugar-jhbuild or something? my connections is weak |
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s/connections/connection/ |
| 14:44 |
silbe |
#link https://people.sugarlabs.org/~[…]xtrose/patchsets/ Dextrose 3 patch set tarballs |
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icarito: just import the latest patch set from ^ using git am. It's based on the mainline sucrose-0.92 branches. |
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icarito_web_just |
cool will try it I think I need to update sjhbuild ^ :-) |
| 14:46 |
silbe |
icarito: you might need to drop a small number of patches that fix differences between the git repo and the release tarballs, but otherwise the patches should apply cleanly. |
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icarito: careful with updating jhbuild, they (upstream=Gnome) broke activity installation and I haven't got around to fix it yet. :-/ |
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I know roughly what needs to be done, but right now getting DX3 out is my #1 priority. |
| 14:47 |
icarito_web_just |
sure, dont let me interfere |
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:-) |
| 14:48 |
silbe |
icarito_web_just: you don't :) |
| 14:50 |
m_anish |
Ok, I don't know if anyone wants to do status updates considering the last meeting wasn't too long ago (sat). If anyone has anything to share or ask, please do. |
| 14:51 |
dirakx |
is o.k on updates. :). |
| 14:51 |
icarito |
no, still same, working on bugs by au and adding collaboration to websdk tunnelling http over stream tubes |
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found an example of tunnelling ssh with share-term by ben shwartz so now i'm stealing that implementation |
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share-term-activity transparently shares a terminal session using ssh and screen |
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s/stealing/being inspired by/g |
| 14:53 |
silbe |
still needs to try ShareTerm :-/ |
| 14:53 |
dirakx |
icarito: btw don't forget to track your time in redmine for whaterver action you made regarding bugs. |
| 14:53 |
m_anish |
hasn't heard of ShareTerm before :/ |
| 14:54 |
icarito |
dirakx: ok its best to do it in redmine, otherwise its doing tracking twice |
| 14:54 |
dirakx |
icarito +1. |
| 14:56 |
m_anish |
ok, closing in 3... |
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2.. |
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#endmeeting |
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meeting |
Meeting ended Wed Jul 27 14:57:00 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
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