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| 14:29 |
meeting |
Meeting started Sat Jun 25 14:29:41 2011 UTC. The chair is tch. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting |
| 14:30 |
tch |
#topic sync people |
| 14:30 |
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guess we can share what we have been doing lately to others and specially to anish, |
| 14:30 |
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someone wants to step in? |
| 14:32 |
dirakx |
tch: to/with ?. |
| 14:32 |
m_anish |
tch, yep, i've lost touch a bit. |
| 14:33 |
tch |
dirakx: just mention what you been doing lately (in the context of sugar and AC) so anish can catch up |
| 14:34 |
silbe |
m_anish: I've been doing major surgery on your microformat updater this week |
| 14:34 |
dirakx |
I've been working directly on olpc-au bug tracker in order to fix activities issues for them. :) |
| 14:35 |
m_anish |
silbe, ah! i read ur comment from logs about there not being one patch per feature. its a sin we committed because of lack of time :( |
| 14:35 |
tch |
dirakx: nice :) |
| 14:36 |
yama |
dirakx has been very helpful :) |
| 14:36 |
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thanks dirakx |
| 14:36 |
icarito |
m_anish: i've been developing a framework for developing activities with HTML interface. |
| 14:37 |
silbe |
m_anish: In the long run it's taking more time, but I fully understand the reasons. Part of the problem is that I'm still catching up with DX2, so we didn't have a real chance to fix this for DX3 (because there haven't been any patches targeted at DX3 yet). |
| 14:37 |
dirakx |
yama: np, please bear with me. |
| 14:37 |
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;) |
| 14:37 |
m_anish |
silbe, agree, better workflow from our side (platform team) needed |
| 14:38 |
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icarito, cool! |
| 14:38 |
silbe |
should we do this topic in turns so we can go into details a bit? |
| 14:38 |
icarito |
:-) yes i'm excited about it |
| 14:39 |
tch |
is learning about journal, trying to get a decent multi-selection design/implementation and also looking forward to the entry-level backup resource having a fully functional proof of concept |
| 14:39 |
icarito |
m_anish: it will be a little while before releasing something, I need to balance my time with activity bugfixing and aslo, right dirakx ? :-) |
| 14:40 |
silbe |
tch: we should chat a bit about that after the meeting :) |
| 14:40 |
dirakx |
icarito: +1 |
| 14:40 |
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50/50 ;). |
| 14:42 |
tch |
silbe: sure, ill start a discussion on the ml anyway, i am trying to write down the things i've learn from magic-store |
| 14:43 |
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alsroot: ping |
| 14:43 |
silbe |
tch: nice. Not sure when I'll be able to reply to emails again. Somehow my mail index got corrupted again; rebuilding takes several hours to days. :-/ But if you ping me on IRC, I can check the list archives. |
| 14:43 |
alsroot |
tch: pong |
| 14:44 |
dirakx |
tch: great work you are doing with the multiselection feature.. |
| 14:44 |
tch |
alsroot: can you explain a little bit what you been doing lately? :) |
| 14:45 |
alsroot |
is working on the same TODO |
| 14:45 |
tch |
alsroot: can you copy the link here? so anish can read it later? :) |
| 14:45 |
m_anish |
alsroot, hola! |
| 14:45 |
alsroot |
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/The_Server/1/Todo |
| 14:46 |
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m_anish: hi |
| 14:47 |
m_anish |
alsroot, thanks! |
| 14:48 |
silbe |
BTW, As I already told tch I've been playing with WebDAV lately. So far it looks rather promising for sharing documents between different systems, both Sugar and non-Sugar ones. It can even store the Journal metadata natively, no hacks required like for storage devices or network file systems. |
| 14:50 |
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There's proof-of-concept code for exporting the Journal via WebDAV at git://git.silbe.org/journal2webdav . I'm currently working on factoring out the file system emulation code from datastore-fuse and turning it into generic code that can be shared by datastore-fuse and journal2webdav. |
| 14:50 |
icarito |
silbe cool |
| 14:50 |
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is nautilus any good at webdav? |
| 14:51 |
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do you expect to use webdav on the server or could sugar export over webdav (for instance, locally)? |
| 14:53 |
silbe |
Integrating WebDAV into the Journal (i.e. the client side) would easy in theory because there's already a gvfs module for WebDAV, but unfortunately it doesn't support custom properties (just a few hardcoded standard properties). We should either try to work with the Gnome people to include this capability in gvfs or use some WebDAV client library directly. |
| 14:53 |
tch |
silbe: to store metadata properties you mean? |
| 14:55 |
silbe |
icarito: I envision any combination. Sugar users exporting their Journal via WebDAV and servers providing space for sharing Journal objects and ("non-Sugar") documents. Both Sugar and Gnome users browsing others Journals and documents. |
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tch: yep, that's what I meant. |
| 14:56 |
tch |
silbe: if we wanted to also have private storage space? would be possible with webdav? and if so, would require real system userS? |
| 14:57 |
icarito |
i played with apache webdav once, you could have any auth apache supports |
| 14:58 |
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| 14:59 |
silbe |
tch: WebDAV is based on HTTP, so naturally it supports authentication. However for the first iteration I'd consider it out of scope. There's quite a lot we can do to integrate (private key based) authentication, but let's get the basics working first. The primary use case for now is sharing with the entire class. |
| 14:59 |
dirakx |
nice. |
| 15:01 |
silbe |
tch: I've chatted a bit with garycmartin about presenting remote "folders" (like WebDAV) in the UI, BTW. Check out the #sugar-meeting channel logs last Sunday if you're curious. |
| 15:01 |
tch |
auth is one thing, but giving individual storage space to each user is another thing, which is what i am aiming too :) |
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silbe: any chance we can also consider that scenario? |
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| 15:02 |
silbe |
tch: ah, I see. Depending on your threat model, simple using a different URL might be enough short-term. |
| 15:02 |
tch |
silbe: whatever it works and is secure enough |
| 15:03 |
icaritox |
sounds tricky |
| 15:04 |
tch |
ok, lets talk about it later :) |
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it will always depend on what others want too, |
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| 15:05 |
silbe |
tch: It's security by social means, not technical ones. For the second iteration we can add strong authentication. |
| 15:06 |
tch |
i see |
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guess anish is the only one left |
| 15:08 |
yama |
+1 on that approach |
| 15:08 |
tch |
m_anish: your turn |
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| 15:10 |
tch |
silbe, yama: we could define some feature list and see how we can achieve everything step by step |
| 15:11 |
silbe |
tch: +1 |
| 15:11 |
yama |
I have a set of Objectives defined at https://dev.laptop.org.au/proj[…]es?set_filter=1&f[]=status_id&op[status_id]=o&v[status_id][]=1&f[]=tracker_id&op[tracker_id]=%3D&v[tracker_id][]=6&f[]=&c[]=project&c[]=tracker&c[]=status&c[]=priority&c[]=subject&c[]=assigned_to&c[]=updated_on&c[]=cf_3&group_by= |
| 15:12 |
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these are deliberately broad and ambitious |
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I'd expect the final Objectives for DX12 to comprise a subset of these, and the rest can probably come as updates |
| 15:12 |
silbe |
tch, m_anish: what are you going to work on the next few days? I could use some help testing the reworked microformat updater. |
| 15:13 |
tch |
yama: ambitious but reasonably possible :) |
| 15:15 |
dirakx |
we are all aiming to make that objectives come realities. ;) |
| 15:15 |
yama |
:) |
| 15:15 |
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From OLPC AU's perspective, I think the two main objectives are "no regressions from our 10.1.3-au releases" and "a solid platform for long term support" |
| 15:15 |
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jvonau will be focusing on the first, integrating our XO-AU changes into DX |
| 15:16 |
silbe |
yama: some of it may already be addressed - e.g. there's 3G connection sharing in DX2+3, though I don't know how well it works (since I don't have the hardware to test it). |
| 15:16 |
yama |
silbe: that's what I'm hoping :) |
| 15:17 |
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erikos tells me that rewrites to the collaboration stack mean that there are regressions |
| 15:17 |
tch |
silbe: it works well ;) |
| 15:17 |
yama |
erikos is working to fix those but could use some help, especially in testing |
| 15:17 |
m_anish |
silbe , still need to plan my immediate schedule, will let u knw asap |
| 15:18 |
yama |
collaboration bugs to fix: http://dev.laptop.org/query?st[…]ds=~collaboration |
| 15:19 |
silbe |
tch: just a pity it's 3G specific. I tried making it more generic so I could share a cable modem connection (i.e. LAN connection), but got messed up and got distracted by other work. |
| 15:19 |
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tch: this is one of the things I hope we can address during the refactoring for NM 0.9. |
| 15:20 |
tch |
silbe: +1 |
| 15:20 |
m_anish |
tch, btw, does your 3G-GSM patch also support CDMA? yama does aus have both GSM/CDMA high speed internet (i'm asking since we have that in India)? |
| 15:21 |
tch |
m_anish: only GSM |
| 15:21 |
yama |
m_anish: no CDMA networks in Australia any more |
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it's all GSM/3G |
| 15:21 |
tch |
m_anish: would require to add CDMA to the sugar connection settings manager |
| 15:21 |
m_anish |
tch, yama, ok |
| 15:21 |
yama |
although Telstra (the main telco we work with) uses 3G on slightly different frequencies |
| 15:22 |
tch |
but if i understood correctly all that connection setting part will disappear eventually |
| 15:24 |
icaritox |
tch does the 3g sharing run hostap? |
| 15:24 |
m_anish |
tch, ok |
| 15:24 |
silbe |
I'm confused. Isn't CDMA one of the modulations used by 3G networks? |
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icaritox: IIRC it's shared via ad-hoc. |
| 15:24 |
m_anish |
silbe, nope, different standard, IIRC |
| 15:24 |
icaritox |
ah |
| 15:25 |
silbe |
m_anish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IS-2000 |
| 15:25 |
tch |
silbe: it is being treated as different things at networkmanager though |
| 15:26 |
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at least until NM 0.8 |
| 15:27 |
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is there anyone who wants to talk about something else? or we end meeting here? |
| 15:28 |
silbe |
+1 for endmeeting |
| 15:28 |
dirakx |
we can end meeting ;). |
| 15:28 |
icaritox |
:-) |
| 15:28 |
tch |
#endmeeting poof! |
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meeting |
Meeting ended Sat Jun 25 15:28:48 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. (v 0.1.4) |
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