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| 14:04 |
meeting |
Meeting started Sat Apr 16 14:04:09 2011 UTC. The chair is bernie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:04 |
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Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting |
| 14:04 |
bernie |
#topic Updates on DX2 testing in schools (m_anish) |
| 14:05 |
m_anish |
bernie, Not many updates re: testing this week :/ |
| 14:05 |
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here goes... |
| 14:06 |
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I had a chat with pacita re: testing dx-2 on xo-1.5's |
| 14:06 |
bernie |
m_anish: for the new schools? |
| 14:06 |
m_anish |
they have ~300 XO 1.5 HS's now and the rest ~5k xo1.5 will be here in a month (or three weeks) |
| 14:07 |
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bernie, we hadn't tested very thoroughly on the xo1.5, but a few teacher's xo1.5's had an intermetidate version of dx2... we'll be flashing those before mass flashing |
| 14:07 |
bernie |
m_anish: we had given quanta an image to install months ago... but of course it was DX1... so all the laptops will have to be flashed before giving them out :-/ |
| 14:08 |
m_anish |
while we're not seeing any major issues in xo1-dx2, we need a phase of testing on xo1.5 |
| 14:08 |
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bernie, yep, we're gonna be nandblasting them |
| 14:08 |
bernie |
m_anish: shouldn't the update system have brought those old DX2 images up to date with the latest version of DX2? |
| 14:09 |
m_anish |
bernie, it still has the unrevised activity list IIRC |
| 14:09 |
bernie |
m_anish: can the xo 1.5 do nandblasting? i thought it didn't work in the open firmware. |
| 14:09 |
m_anish |
bernie, newer firmware versions allow nandblasting |
| 14:09 |
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we've already tested that :) |
| 14:10 |
bernie |
m_anish: i wonder what firmware version will come with that batch... they may have been produced months ago |
| 14:10 |
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m_anish: regarding the old activity list, shouldn't the microformat updater also add missing activities now? |
| 14:11 |
m_anish |
bernie, hmm, I guess we'll have to update firmwares then? anyway, its more of a headache for roberto and the CATS ppl |
| 14:11 |
bernie |
m_anish: if we have to plug a usb stick in each laptop to upgrade the firmware, it' |
| 14:11 |
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m_anish: it's probably faster to do regular flashing |
| 14:12 |
m_anish |
bernie, yep (re: activities), i don't know how often is the microformat updater actually used |
| 14:12 |
bernie |
m_anish: nandblasting has several disadvantages too... it's damn slow and requires plenty of power strips and a lot of organization to rotate the laptops |
| 14:12 |
m_anish |
bernie, from what I sense, they don't really use the activity updater a lot. |
| 14:13 |
bernie |
m_anish: doesn't the updater check automatically every week or so? or was it a feature of the old version? |
| 14:13 |
m_anish |
bernie, nope, the activity updater is to be run manually like the old activity updater |
| 14:13 |
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bernie, the yum updater is the automatic one |
| 14:14 |
bernie |
m_anish: the old updater (the one by cscott) would pop up a notification... i have seen it a few times. |
| 14:14 |
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m_anish: it's probably a feature we want to have |
| 14:15 |
m_anish |
bernie, okay |
| 14:15 |
bernie |
next topic? |
| 14:15 |
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i'm afraid it |
| 14:15 |
m_anish |
bernie, yep |
| 14:15 |
bernie |
it's still on you :-) |
| 14:15 |
m_anish |
bernie, wait... |
| 14:15 |
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:) |
| 14:16 |
bernie |
yes? |
| 14:16 |
m_anish |
nope, i'm just continuing... |
| 14:16 |
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they wanted me to translate the 1 page flyers-docs in spanish... |
| 14:17 |
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the next time i go to caacupe, i'll talk with kenny, he seems interested to assist with testing, getting feedback from schools |
| 14:17 |
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bernie, silbe, didn't do a lot of dx-3 work... but discussed a couple of features with tch which could be interesting (will write an email) |
| 14:18 |
bernie |
m_anish: those fliers are nice... did we publish them on the dextrose pages? maybe we could have a Documentation page |
| 14:18 |
m_anish |
bernie, they're linked on the dx/wiki page |
| 14:19 |
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#action create a documentation page on the wiki |
| 14:20 |
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bernie, i'm done |
| 14:22 |
bernie |
ok |
| 14:22 |
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#topic Bug squashing (m_anish, tch, silbe) |
| 14:22 |
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so, i noticed a lot of activity on trac... what's the situation like? |
| 14:23 |
m_anish |
#link http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/s[…]-06T18:52:46.html |
| 14:24 |
bernie |
m_anish: your bug triaging session was simply fantastic. we should do it every week |
| 14:24 |
m_anish |
bernie, we've identified the things me+tch would be working on re: dx-2 enhancements... not much work re: dx-3 bug hunting from my side yet |
| 14:25 |
bernie |
silbe: are you collecting bugs for dx3? are you tagging them with the dextrose and/or dx3 tags? |
| 14:25 |
m_anish |
bernie, i was thinking, someone (probably me) could just do a run through trac, sift the reports, and then we can have similar sessions on the ones i've filtered and save everyone else some work?? |
| 14:26 |
silbe |
bernie: we're not using Trac for DX3 bugs yet. We can start doing so after the next image (Sugar 0.92.1 based, with the missing activities like Browse included) is finished. |
| 14:27 |
bernie |
m_anish: yes, that would be great. you could also assign bugs to whoever you think can fix it faster (among silbe, tch, alsroot and yourself) |
| 14:27 |
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m_anish: (and dirakx and icarito, for activities) |
| 14:28 |
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silbe: do we have plans to switch to Surf for DX3? that would be a good move, if it's stable. |
| 14:28 |
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(sorry, this is out of topic now, let's postpone) |
| 14:29 |
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m_anish: do you think we're fixing bugs faster than we're finding new ones now? |
| 14:29 |
silbe |
bernie: If possible, we should definitely do that. AFAICT lucian would have to finish some work on Surf first, though. |
| 14:29 |
bernie |
dfarning: is lucian working on Surf for AC? |
| 14:30 |
silbe |
bernie: once the development work is finished, we'll probably need to pull in some bleeding edge stuff like gobject introspection and the very latest webkit. Let's hope that doesn't break other parts. |
| 14:30 |
dfarning |
bernie he has very little time now -- will work full time starting in the middle of june. |
| 14:31 |
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bernie he will be moving to asuncion |
| 14:31 |
bernie |
dfarning: wow cool |
| 14:31 |
silbe |
sounds like we'll be shipping Browse in the DX3 release, but Surf in DX4 (December). |
| 14:31 |
bernie |
dfarning: asuncion is becoming the center of the world |
| 14:32 |
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ok, next topic? |
| 14:32 |
dfarning |
bernie exactly. we are creating a critical mass of hackers :) |
| 14:32 |
bernie |
dfarning: critical mass? it's becoming super-critical! :-) |
| 14:32 |
m_anish |
#action m_anish run through trac and tag bugs to triage |
| 14:32 |
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(oops :)) |
| 14:33 |
silbe |
bernie: as long as it doesn't become a critical mess... :D |
| 14:33 |
m_anish |
silbe, lol |
| 14:33 |
bernie |
silbe: hahah |
| 14:33 |
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silbe, next topic would be DX3, but we can postpone |
| 14:33 |
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#topic Backporting patches from Sugar 0.92 / DX3 |
| 14:34 |
dfarning |
Yes, educators have advised that we keep the hackers behind proper shielding. |
| 14:34 |
bernie |
dfarning: haha, yes. we need a fence between hackers and educators |
| 14:34 |
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a containment building |
| 14:35 |
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silbe: so, are you going to forward important Sugar 0.92 patches to m_anish for inclusion in DX2? |
| 14:35 |
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i'm seeing a lot of good stuff pass by in my gitorious feed. |
| 14:37 |
silbe |
bernie: I suppose m_anish knows the DX2 patch list much better than I do and thus would do a better job at filtering which 0.92 patches should be backported. I can help with the backporting if there's a need for that. |
| 14:38 |
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DX2 is based on 0.88, right? |
| 14:38 |
m_anish |
silbe, yep |
| 14:39 |
bernie |
m_anish: are you tracking upstream development in gitorious and/or sugar-devel? |
| 14:39 |
m_anish |
bernie, i'm afraid not :/ |
| 14:39 |
silbe |
ok, then you don't need most of the recent patches (Telepathy related). We could do a run through the other patches after the meeting. |
| 14:40 |
m_anish |
bernie, i'll can do that, it'll require some effort on my part :) |
| 14:40 |
silbe |
m_anish: do you have any commit id or date that you are sure DX2 is "synced up to"? I.e. any starting point for looking at new patches? |
| 14:41 |
bernie |
m_anish: i simply subscribed to the various repositories in gitorious, so i receive emails for commits |
| 14:41 |
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m_anish: now you'd have to have a look at the logs and hunt for interesting bugfixes |
| 14:41 |
m_anish |
bernie, yah, I see a lot of patches fly by on the m-l but I don't look at them very closely to be frank |
| 14:41 |
bernie |
m_anish: hint: use "git log -p --stat" for an easy way to review all recent patches |
| 14:41 |
m_anish |
(re: upstream development) |
| 14:42 |
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silbe, dx-2 = 0.88.1 + lots of our patches + (some of the commits that alsroot backported) IIRC |
| 14:44 |
bernie |
m_anish: i was wondering, is the opposite also happening? that is, are you posting new DX2 patches to sugar-devel or at least hand them off to silbe? |
| 14:44 |
alsroot |
m_anish: look to my backport email to dextrose@, so you need to review patches starting from that date |
| 14:44 |
bernie |
is afraid that we might loose some work with the parallel branches |
| 14:45 |
m_anish |
bernie, silbe nope, that isn't happening yet, I can coordinate with silbe to have all relevant dx-2 patches upstreamed |
| 14:45 |
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alsroot, okay |
| 14:45 |
bernie |
alsroot: what's the subject? i can't find it |
| 14:45 |
silbe |
m_anish: do we need to scan the full delta of 0.88 .. 0.92 for backport candidates or are all commits up to a certain point already backported if they were "worthy"? |
| 14:46 |
alsroot |
bernie: "Backport bugfixes" |
| 14:46 |
silbe |
bernie: I haven't catched up on DX-2 development yet. Everything starting from the notifications improvements hasn't been ported yet. |
| 14:46 |
bernie |
silbe: no, i think we need to scan only a few months back, because until recently i was doing this work and forwarding important patches to the mailing list. |
| 14:47 |
m_anish |
silbe, hmm... some of them are... but we could certainly do a more thorough run. |
| 14:47 |
bernie |
alsroot: ah, yes |
| 14:47 |
m_anish |
silbe, i guess that is more imp right now than digging through trac and finding new stuff to work on... I could divert my energies there :) |
| 14:48 |
bernie |
alsroot: then we need to scan for new upstream parches from the day of your post to present. |
| 14:48 |
silbe |
bernie: BTW, do you want to ship sugar-datastore 0.92 in DX2 or continue to backport patches? Almost all sugar-datastore patches were bug fixes. |
| 14:48 |
bernie |
silbe: ah... then it makes sense to just rebase. |
| 14:49 |
silbe |
m_anish: ^ that might solve your 0 file size bug |
| 14:51 |
m_anish |
silbe, nice :), are there more major headaches in the datastore that we fixed going from 0.88-0.92? |
| 14:51 |
bernie |
silbe: is there anything that might be slightly dangerous? for example, i was under the impression that the metadata format changed slightly when aa's patches went upstream |
| 14:52 |
silbe |
m_anish: yup. I recently fixed a long standing bug that would destroy the data file. |
| 14:52 |
bernie |
silbe: nice |
| 14:53 |
silbe |
bernie: hmm, got point. IIRC I didn't review those patches in detail, so I can't be sure if migration works properly. We should compare the code and do a test run first. |
| 14:53 |
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s/got/good/ |
| 14:53 |
m_anish |
silbe, ok |
| 14:55 |
silbe |
m_anish: we can test whether the 0 size bug happens in DX3, too. If it still does we at least know there are two different bugs. |
| 14:55 |
bernie |
silbe: perhaps anish could provide a few test datastores taken from teachers or kids |
| 14:55 |
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ok, next topic? |
| 14:55 |
m_anish |
bernie, can do if needed :) |
| 14:55 |
silbe |
bernie: that would be useful. I do have a few data store copies, but none of them were created by DX-2 AFAIK. |
| 14:56 |
m_anish |
silbe, okay! |
| 14:56 |
silbe |
m_anish: thx! |
| 14:56 |
bernie |
#topic Boxes ( icarito_web ) |
| 14:56 |
m_anish |
#action m_anish gather a few datastores from teachers/kids |
| 14:56 |
icarito_web |
hi |
| 14:56 |
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just briefly http://somosazucar.status.net/attachment/156 |
| 14:57 |
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the code lives in http://git.sugarlabs.org/hello[…]rld/hello-icarito |
| 14:57 |
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i'll try to be at tomorrow's design meeting as I havent got much feedback |
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| 14:58 |
icarito_web |
it'd be nice to have dextrose activity pack's activities have an about box |
| 14:59 |
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ideally the HIG would suggest such a box |
| 14:59 |
bernie |
icarito_web: can you post a screenshot? |
| 15:00 |
icarito_web |
currently it grabs the files it finds in the bundle dir (README, HACKING, TODO, NEWS, COPYING, MANTAINERS, AUTHORS) |
| 15:00 |
silbe |
icarito_web: we should make sure we agree on a common way to store that metadata even if we can't agree on a UI to present it. UI is easy enough to add, but we can only show what we have, i.e. what we can read from somewhere in a format we know. |
| 15:01 |
icarito_web |
i thoutgh I just did http://somosazucar.status.net/attachment/156 |
| 15:01 |
bernie |
icarito_web: to save space on the toolbars, i'd like the About box to be accessible from a popup menu from the Stop button. |
| 15:01 |
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icarito_web: the about info might even be directly in the menu, rather than open a separate window |
| 15:01 |
icarito_web |
silbe: agreed, cjl already pointed out l10n might be an issue |
| 15:02 |
bernie |
icarito_web: wow, somosazucar looks cool! |
| 15:02 |
icarito_web |
bernie that makes sense |
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bernie: originally i thuoght about make it the action for the default activity icon |
| 15:02 |
bernie |
icarito_web: if you want, now we have a statusnet instance also on sugarlabs: http://status.sugarlabs.org/ |
| 15:03 |
icarito_web |
as that icon doesnt have a default action but i was not convinced |
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m_anish_afk is now known as m_anish |
| 15:03 |
icarito_web |
bernie: yes i'm having lots of problems with spam on our instance and its hosted by status net |
| 15:03 |
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bernie: perhaps we can merge our efforts, and nubaes |
| 15:03 |
bernie |
icarito_web: i like the design of the about dialog... |
| 15:04 |
silbe |
adding it to the Activity palette makes sense - we're already tight on space in the primary toolbar for many activities... |
| 15:04 |
icarito_web |
that is another topic but /me thinks status.net is a very powerful tool |
| 15:04 |
silbe |
but that's something to discuss tomorrow |
| 15:04 |
bernie |
icarito_web: i think you mean on !sugarlabsstatus? that's on identi.ca, not on our instance |
| 15:04 |
icarito_web |
bernie thanks! I obsessed about it a lot |
| 15:04 |
bernie |
icarito_web: our instance has been up only for a week, but it's not in production yet |
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icarito_web: nubae also said we should merge our efforts |
| 15:05 |
icarito_web |
silbe: the idea is to put it in the activity palet, only Hello World doesnt have one |
| 15:05 |
bernie |
icarito_web: speaking of duplicated efforts, now we also have another instance of wordpress: http://vueltaciclista.sugarlabs.org/ |
| 15:05 |
icarito_web |
i think activity pallet is a better place than stop button |
| 15:05 |
silbe |
icarito_web: ah, ok. |
| 15:05 |
bernie |
icarito_web: makes sense... |
| 15:06 |
icarito_web |
bernie: we don't put a lot of maintenance to the somosazucar wp instance so having them separate might make sense |
| 15:06 |
bernie |
icarito_web: you should discuss these ideas on sugar-devel with the design team... beware: garycmartin is opposed to about dialogs! :-) |
| 15:07 |
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icarito_web: i'd like to experiment with wordpress-mp to see if we could have one instance with multiple sites... they're already talking about setting up a third one |
| 15:07 |
icarito_web |
bernie: I did send it to sugar-devel on tuesday |
| 15:07 |
bernie |
icarito_web: ah! i'm behind on ml reading :) |
| 15:07 |
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ok, next and last topic? |
| 15:08 |
icarito_web |
bernie: please feel free to use our instance |
| 15:08 |
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i think we need an update |
| 15:08 |
bernie |
icarito_web: i could work on it... i now have some experience with wordpress |
| 15:09 |
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#topic DX3 status update (silbe) |
| 15:09 |
icarito_web |
quozl, dfarning, cjl and dirakx replied but nothing from design team so i'll try to make it for tomorrow's design meeting |
| 15:10 |
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bernie the intereesting plugin we're using is called lifestream this is how we stream from the statusnet instance |
| 15:10 |
bernie |
silbe: can you tell us briefly about the current status of DX3? |
| 15:10 |
icarito_web |
and rss feeds |
| 15:10 |
bernie |
icarito_web: are you talking about wordpress or statusnet? |
| 15:11 |
icarito_web |
#link http://somosazucar.org/ |
| 15:11 |
silbe |
fetch the new 0.92.1 based Sugar packages using yum while they're still hot! They have quite a lot of bug fixes. |
| 15:11 |
icarito_web |
i mean http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]April/030849.html |
| 15:11 |
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bernie we've integrated them |
| 15:12 |
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the plugin is for wordperss |
| 15:12 |
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wordpress |
| 15:12 |
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but its rudimentary it grabs statusnet's rss |
| 15:12 |
silbe |
I'll spin another build (including some missing activities) later today. We'll first need to check whether some of the activities that were left out are actually Sugar 0.90+ compatible. |
| 15:12 |
bernie |
icarito_web: ping me later today or tomorrow and we'll do the work together |
| 15:12 |
silbe |
(they're marked as 0.82 - 0.88 only on a.sl.o) |
| 15:12 |
icarito_web |
thanks bernie, looking forward to it |
| 15:13 |
silbe |
one of the bugs I reported upstream (Fedora) was recently fixed, so we can remove another workaround. |
| 15:14 |
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I guess that's about it - we should do some DX3 testing once the new build is out. |
| 15:14 |
bernie |
silbe: how's collaboration? |
| 15:16 |
silbe |
bernie: with Simons latest bug fixes it might start to be working now. Testing should tell us more. |
| 15:16 |
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It definitely doesn't work inside chroots yet, but that doesn't affect DX3 obviously. |
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| 15:21 |
silbe |
new build started, cross your fingers |
| 15:21 |
m_anish |
silbe, :) |
| 15:21 |
silbe |
anything else we should discuss? |
| 15:25 |
satellit_ |
bernie: I have a testing XO-1.5 what should I test here? (439dg now) |
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silbe |
bernie: end of meeting? |
| 15:31 |
m_anish |
satellit_, FWIW, this is a newer build :) http://people.sugarlabs.org/an[…]ognome/os508dx.zd |
| 15:32 |
satellit_ |
thanks...will do dl |
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m_anish |
bernie, ping, EOM? :P |
| 15:38 |
bernie |
m_anish: ugh sorry |
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m_anish: i had problems with my video card |
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ok, end meeting! |
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#endmeeting |
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