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| 14:03 |
meeting |
Meeting started Sat Mar 12 14:03:40 2011 UTC. The chair is bernie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting |
| 14:03 |
bernie |
Meeting agenda: |
| 14:03 |
meeting |
bernie: Error: "agenda:" is not a valid command. |
| 14:03 |
dfarning |
I would just like one topic on payments:( |
| 14:04 |
bernie |
* Releasing DX2 |
| 14:04 |
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* Dextrose 3 roadmap |
| 14:04 |
dirakx |
hi all |
| 14:04 |
bernie |
* Payments |
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anything else? |
| 14:04 |
dfarning |
morning dirakx |
| 14:05 |
dirakx |
morning |
| 14:05 |
satellit-gn3 |
lurking |
| 14:05 |
dfarning |
morning satellit-gn3 |
| 14:05 |
bernie |
ok, let's proceed |
| 14:05 |
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#topic Releasing DX2 |
| 14:06 |
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so, m_anish_afk does not seem to be present. |
| 14:06 |
dfarning |
m_anish_afk is going to miss today. |
| 14:06 |
bernie |
tch: perhaps you could make an international build and update the wiki page with missing features, etc? |
| 14:06 |
dfarning |
he said --I won't be able to make it to today's meeting. There isn't any major NEWS on py related developments other than the fact that testing is going on and we're merging patches and fixing things. |
| 14:07 |
bernie |
tch: also, how "finished" can we consider DX2? are there any serious regressions? |
| 14:08 |
tch |
back, sorry i was on the phone |
| 14:09 |
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bernie: I believe there is not much left to do, but we will go caacupe next week and see how it doing with the teachers, formadores and kids |
| 14:09 |
bernie |
tch: so maybe we could upload the build and announce it as a beta? |
| 14:10 |
tch |
as anish said on that email, this week we have been just merging patching, fixing last reported/seen bugs and moving services into pyedu servers for (rpm updates, activity updates, and feedback stuff) |
| 14:10 |
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yeah, guess we just need to release a new build with the feedback tweaked ;) |
| 14:11 |
dfarning |
bernie the interesting stuff this week was tch's server level work. he is just to modest to say so:) |
| 14:11 |
bernie |
tch: ah, what work? |
| 14:12 |
dfarning |
activity update.... rpm update.... |
| 14:13 |
bernie |
tch: ah! |
| 14:13 |
tch |
i just installed/set those services in amnesia |
| 14:13 |
dfarning |
this will help insure uniform versions for core dexttrose and activities across all users in a deployment. |
| 14:13 |
tch |
i did it twice becase carlos created a special VM for those services but then roberto told him to delete it.. |
| 14:13 |
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so i had to do it twice lol |
| 14:14 |
bernie |
tch: has the infrastructure stabilized in PyEdu? |
| 14:14 |
dfarning |
very big pain in the butt for teachers and formadores when everyone has a different version:( |
| 14:14 |
tch |
i think so, they virtualised all servers into 1 physical machine |
| 14:15 |
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everythinf is running fine apparently, |
| 14:15 |
bernie |
tch: i should tell carlos not to create too many VMs... it's a typical beginner's mistake :-) |
| 14:15 |
tch |
he already did that, haha |
| 14:16 |
bernie |
haha |
| 14:16 |
tch |
anyways, guess everything is ready for the mass update that is supposed to be going 0n caacupe this last week |
| 14:16 |
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s/this/since |
| 14:16 |
bernie |
tch: fantastic |
| 14:16 |
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tch: is there an ETA for the new machines? |
| 14:17 |
tch |
not really, all I heard is that there were some problems with the shipment and it would arrive a little later |
| 14:17 |
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again |
| 14:17 |
bernie |
haha |
| 14:17 |
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i'm sorry for those kids :-( |
| 14:17 |
dirakx |
:S |
| 14:18 |
tch |
;/ |
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nothing we can do about it, except for making good use of that extra time and make the software better ;) |
| 14:18 |
bernie |
tch: Dextrose 2 is a great product. we should make sure that other deployments know about it. Can you do the DX2 international release? |
| 14:19 |
tch |
bernie: sure, I will work with anish on that |
| 14:19 |
bernie |
tch: suburashii |
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ok, next topic? |
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#topic Dextrose 3 |
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silbe: do you have any updates on DX3? (i guess not, but asking just in case) |
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hmm guess not |
| 14:21 |
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this will be a short meeting :) |
| 14:21 |
silbe |
bernie: nop, I'm blocking on the distro level stuff. Who's doing it now? |
| 14:21 |
bernie |
silbe: nobody. can you take it over? |
| 14:22 |
silbe |
bernie: not so fast. I usually think before typing. ;) |
| 14:22 |
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bernie: I partially did, see my outstanding patches. Should I just push them? |
| 14:23 |
bernie |
silbe: i haven't seen your patches yet, but if you take over the buildmaster role, it's up to you to decide :) |
| 14:24 |
silbe |
bernie: I'm still not very experienced working with Red Hat derivatives, so I'm not particularly efficient. It would be good to get something else with more experience to work on the distro level issues so I can focus on Sugar. |
| 14:25 |
bernie |
silbe: probably the amount of work for m_anish_afk will decrease now that DX2 is reeleased... he could take over DX2 as well. |
| 14:25 |
dirakx |
maybe nubae ? |
| 14:25 |
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just thinking. |
| 14:25 |
bernie |
silbe: if it were on me, i'd continue from the dx2 repo, creating a branch for the stable build and then importing the latest olpc-os-builder, etc. |
| 14:26 |
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dirakx: he's also missing now... and he has not much experience with the process of building the olpc os images (which took me a while to learn, it's a mess) |
| 14:26 |
dirakx |
bernie: ugh. |
| 14:27 |
silbe |
bernie: we already have a DX3 repo that we're building from, but there are some issues like NM not starting up automatically. There's also a whole lot of upstream (OLPC) changes waiting to be merged - I merged them locally some time ago, but the repo hasn't been updated in a long time. Plus OLPC is likely to have committed quite a few bug fixes since I did the merge. |
| 14:28 |
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bernie: how customised is the dextrose stuff? Would it make sense to start over from a recent OLPC clone? Do you know if OLPC already switched to fedpkg? |
| 14:29 |
bernie |
silbe: so you prefer to continue using the separate dextrose3 project on gitorious? i'm just sad for loosing the git history. |
| 14:30 |
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silbe: we have a few customizations on the olpc-os-builder, but easy to rebase. during the DX1 cycle, i rebased several times |
| 14:30 |
silbe |
bernie: I don't care much either way as long as it isn't too much work and easy enough for "random" developers to use. |
| 14:30 |
bernie |
silbe: during the DX2 cycle it did not make sense to do it because dsd had switched to F14 and we were still doing F11. |
| 14:31 |
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silbe: anyway, it's easy to add the olpc-os-builder repo as a remote in the dextrose or dextrose3 repositories and pull from there. |
| 14:32 |
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silbe: if you would like to try running dx3 builds yourself, i can assist you with the fedora details. |
| 14:32 |
silbe |
bernie: that's what I already did. I'm just wondering whether it might be easy to re-do the Dextrose customisations on a fresh OLPC tree. There were a lot of conflicts where I didn't quite understand who changed what and why. Maybe OLPC and Dextrose solving the same problem in different ways... |
| 14:33 |
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bernie: the most recent DX3 build is on my desktop. ;) |
| 14:34 |
bernie |
silbe: that's because we've lost the history in dextrose3. If you looked at the original dextrose repo, you'd see all my patches on top of olpc-os-builder |
| 14:35 |
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silbe: anyway, i'm quite familiar with the o-o-b codebase... i can help here too |
| 14:35 |
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silbe: my changes to o-o-b are mostly quick hacks, so if dsd remade them in a better way, we should drop my changes |
| 14:37 |
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silbe: when do you think you could upload a new DX3 test image? |
| 14:37 |
silbe |
bernie: ok, then a (manual) rebase on top of the OLPC tree sounds like a good idea. If you have some time after the meeting, we could decide on the best way to do it (DX2/3 in common or separate repository, rebase vs. merge, etc.). |
| 14:38 |
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bernie: I'd do a build right after we finished the rebasing work and a local test image booted successfully. |
| 14:38 |
bernie |
silbe: ok, let's work on it together later (but first i need a couple of hours to do my house chores) |
| 14:39 |
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ok. anything else on DX3? |
| 14:39 |
silbe |
bernie: no problem, I have other stuff I can work on in the meantime. |
| 14:40 |
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bernie: I don't think there's anything else for now. The distro level issues and the Telepathy bugs are the current blockers. |
| 14:41 |
bernie |
silbe: ah damn... i hope erikos can work with you on those |
| 14:41 |
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#topic payments |
| 14:41 |
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dfarning: was this topic for real? :-) |
| 14:41 |
silbe |
bernie: I've worked on a few bugs OLPC cared about to give Simon time to work on Telepathy, but I don't know how far he got (there was some minor activity on Telepathy related bugs, though). |
| 14:41 |
dfarning |
I have been have trouble with payments:( It is very hard to send money to PY and CO. |
| 14:42 |
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as a result my accounts were frozen most of the last two weeks. until I filled paper work with the back and govt. |
| 14:42 |
dirakx |
something we can do from the destination countries ?. |
| 14:42 |
dfarning |
I think they are finally fixed:-/ |
| 14:43 |
dirakx |
oh cool. |
| 14:43 |
bernie |
silbe: as a matter of fact, rgs could help us with telepathy. he works for collabora and he's been working on collaboration with walter. |
| 14:43 |
dfarning |
buy can you keep on eye on your accounts over the next couple of days... everything _should_ have bee unfrozen yesterday at noon. |
| 14:43 |
bernie |
silbe: anyway, i fell that we should not spend too much time on the platform work because it's olpc's role to fix those things. |
| 14:44 |
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shuts up and listens |
| 14:44 |
dfarning |
that it is for payments -- I was panicked for a couple of weeks but things are back on track now. |
| 14:45 |
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bernie my turn to shut up:) |
| 14:45 |
dirakx |
:) |
| 14:46 |
bernie |
well, we have no more topics after this one |
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#topic misc |
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does anyone want to make any comment? |
| 14:46 |
dirakx |
icaritox: si quieres decir algo ;) |
| 14:47 |
bernie |
icaritox: hola |
| 14:47 |
icaritox |
hola chicos :-D |
| 14:47 |
dfarning |
bernie can you clarify your new role and responibility in AC? |
| 14:47 |
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'helper programmer' |
| 14:47 |
bernie |
dfarning: ah yes! |
| 14:47 |
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i have a job description too: |
| 14:48 |
dfarning |
+1. |
| 14:48 |
bernie |
Mentors developers across all projects on technological and organizational aspects. Oversees team meetings to help establish development guidelines and roadmaps. Advises management on product/customer development. |
| 14:48 |
dfarning |
excellent |
| 14:49 |
bernie |
Basically, i'm not in a management position. i work on the side, but across all teams. |
| 14:49 |
icaritox |
nothing really as my tasks seems to be clear for the moment, just that I'm really excited to be a part of this and learning a lot - I have lots of ideas about how to make activities and activities development more joyful - will communicate more during this week (we just moved to the countryside yesterday - with a new openwrt router + gsm modem) |
| 14:49 |
dirakx |
bernie: transversally |
| 14:49 |
bernie |
dirakx: good buzzword :) |
| 14:49 |
dirakx |
hehe. |
| 14:49 |
icaritox |
yes dirakx uses that word a lot :-D |
| 14:50 |
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sugar is a tranversal project after all |
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| 14:50 |
dirakx |
we call it ''muletilla''. |
| 14:50 |
dfarning |
yes, bernie like me does not yet collect a paycheck from AC so we have to understand that his responsibilities are to the FSF.... |
| 14:51 |
silbe |
dirakx: how's the Pootle update work going, BTW? IIRC we still need a more recent Pootle version for the pgettext() / context support? |
| 14:51 |
bernie |
as it's been the case for the past 4 months or so, i'm mostly unavailable from 9am to 6pm EST |
| 14:51 |
dirakx |
silbe: I've already done an installation..I'm migrate the DB..got a lot of work solving some issues still pending with the old installation. |
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| 14:51 |
dfarning |
this way he can lend his expertise and knowledge without being responsible for specif projects. |
| 14:52 |
dirakx |
silbe: but it's going o.k. |
| 14:52 |
bernie |
even during this time, feel free to ping me on irc about any technical or organizational problems... i'll try to respond as soon as possible |
| 14:52 |
dirakx |
silbe: anyways we still lil ethe pgsttext support, pootle 2.1. should solve that. |
| 14:52 |
bernie |
CanoeBerry: 'morning |
| 14:53 |
silbe |
dirakx: sounds good. Let me know when there's anything I can do on the host / system level to help. |
| 14:53 |
dirakx |
silbe: great. |
| 14:55 |
dfarning |
Bernie can't tell anyone _what_ to do but one ignores his advice on how to do things are their own peril:) |
| 14:55 |
bernie |
icaritox: ah, welcome on board! |
| 14:56 |
icaritox |
thank you bernie! |
| 14:56 |
bernie |
OBEY OR SUFFER, MORTALS! |
| 14:56 |
dfarning |
shuts up again. |
| 14:56 |
bernie |
seems like we're out of topics |
| 14:56 |
silbe |
dfarning: nice way of phrasing it |
| 14:56 |
bernie |
and we have 4 minutes left, so we should wrap up |
| 14:57 |
dirakx |
I wanted to say that icaritox has been a great addition. |
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;) |
| 14:57 |
bernie |
+1 |
| 14:58 |
icaritox |
i'm still constantly working on my workflow but really enjoying coding at the activity level |
| 14:58 |
bernie |
icaritox: would you like to use the last 2 minutes to say what you've been working on? |
| 14:58 |
icaritox |
its like all the platform work is intended for this |
| 14:59 |
dfarning |
+1 on icaritox. we hired him on a probationary basis for March.... but I am happy to extend that offer:) |
| 14:59 |
icaritox |
i can share that I'm almost done updating toolbars and also have been discussing a requirement from the field in Peru regarding record |
| 14:59 |
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actually on this topic, they need some custom gstreamer hacks |
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for shooting a documentary using XOs |
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so i'm polishing their requirements and working on a workflow with them |
| 15:00 |
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i'm thinking of using some custom gstreamer flows and also possibly file-share-activity |
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goes looking for links |
| 15:01 |
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http://openetherpad.org/requer[…]neokinok-escuelab this is the requierements for the documentary |
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it might be good to say that the team in peru is from escuelab + a spanish collective, a spanish project, not directly related with the central ministry but a great way to get exposure at the regional level |
| 15:02 |
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regional means portions of peru |
| 15:02 |
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I also documented my work with toolbars in http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Team/TODO |
| 15:03 |
bernie |
icaritox: Dextrose includes a bunch of audio/video codecs which are restricted in the US and other countries that recognize software patents. |
| 15:03 |
dirakx |
icaritox: have you read an email regarding that..? they are working approximating the ministry. |
| 15:03 |
icaritox |
this has been most of it so far except tweaking my dev setup and installing a stable 3g connection |
| 15:03 |
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dirakx, yes fortunately communications with the ministry is good and they even mentioned the possibility of installing dextrose |
| 15:03 |
bernie |
icaritox: wow, i'm impressed by your TODO page! |
| 15:04 |
icaritox |
but hpachas has asked that they use the Sugar Peru version (based on 10.1.3) |
| 15:04 |
dirakx |
icaritox: yeah replied with my point of view if you have anything to add please do. |
| 15:04 |
icaritox |
bernie, I meant http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/A[…]ding_new_Toolbars |
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:-D |
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also I've joined the activities team upstream with sugar |
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| 15:05 |
icaritox |
I think its a good strategy to work upstream as much as possible |
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i think we agree on that |
| 15:05 |
bernie |
icaritox: +1 |
| 15:06 |
silbe |
icaritox: All I can say is "Welcome _in_ the team"! :) |
| 15:06 |
dfarning |
+1 every thing is offered upstream. |
| 15:06 |
icaritox |
dfarning, also regarding walter's question, do you think its worth it working on adding old toolbars to new activities? unless its asked by a deployment I dont think so! |
| 15:06 |
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silbe, vielen dank! |
| 15:07 |
dfarning |
icaritox probably not unless a deployment or organization that works with us asks for it directly. |
| 15:07 |
icaritox |
agree |
| 15:07 |
bernie |
icaritox: at this time, we have only 2 forked activities in Dextrose: Browse (for the new tab button) and Record (for UI fixes, but the latest release should be good for us so we can drop this) |
| 15:08 |
silbe |
icaritox: My unsoliticed advice: Let's not work on supporting older distros / Sugar versions unless it makes sense (like with Backup / Restore) or is explicitly requested. Let's give the deployments even more reason to update. |
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icaritox |
bernie, yes regarding browse tab support, I'd love to have it in my alsroot's sweets 0.88 trisquel packages |
| 15:08 |
bernie |
icaritox: i'm -1 on adding old toolbars for conservative deployments... they will never be our customers. |
| 15:08 |
icaritox |
if alsroot could help me build these packages myself I'd love to contribute to those also |
| 15:09 |
bernie |
icaritox: nice. trisquel rocks |
| 15:09 |
icaritox |
btw I must thank alsroot again for these sweets packages they make my activity dev life easier |
| 15:09 |
bernie |
icaritox: alsroot rocks too! |
| 15:09 |
icaritox |
bernie, yes and sweets has dextrose patches :-D |
| 15:09 |
silbe |
icaritox: it's already in the upstream version, so unless alsroot stopped tracking upstream his sweets fork should have it, too. |
| 15:10 |
icaritox |
i'll test it when meeting is over - sugar-emulator has a bad habit of disconnecting my wireless network on start |
| 15:10 |
dfarning |
let's take the tool bar discussion onto the team mailing list. It involves strategic and tactical business decisions. |
| 15:10 |
bernie |
ok |
| 15:10 |
silbe |
icaritox: the problem with tabs is that there are critical bugs (read: Browse crashes) on a lot of different distro versions. |
| 15:10 |
bernie |
shall we end the meeting? |
| 15:10 |
icaritox |
silbe, ah ok I understand |
| 15:10 |
bernie |
silbe: yes... i've seen this. it's hard to reproduce. |
| 15:11 |
icaritox |
I will look at it |
| 15:11 |
dirakx |
we need surf. ;) |
| 15:11 |
bernie |
dirakx: indeed |
| 15:11 |
icaritox |
nothing further to report from my side :-D |
| 15:11 |
bernie |
3... |
| 15:11 |
silbe |
bernie: one of the issues was very easy to reproduce (just close a tab), but I haven't seen it on Debian Squeeze recently, so maybe it has been fixed for good. |
| 15:12 |
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bernie: oh, right, we should talk about Surf on DX-3 some time. |
| 15:12 |
bernie |
silbe: we should check on dx3 |
| 15:12 |
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silbe: yes. in 2hrs i could be avail for this and for the olpc-os-builder rebase |
| 15:13 |
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ok, end meeting? |
| 15:13 |
icaritox |
loves webkit and would like to use it |
| 15:13 |
bernie |
3... |
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2... |
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1... |
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gone |
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#endmeeting |
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