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#sugar-meeting meeting, 2011-03-04 20:52:21

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20:52 meeting Meeting started Fri Mar  4 20:52:21 2011 UTC. The chair is bernie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
20:52 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting
20:52 tch__ got my BFG rdy :)
20:52 bernie m_anish: you first?
20:52 m_anish bernie, ok.
20:53 If i understand correctly, we have ~9 months for dextrose-3 (or whatever the version number is gonna be)
20:53 between that we're gonna be making a release alongwith olpc's release happening in the next 4-6 months?
20:54 bernie m_anish: my sense is that we could release dextrose 3 within 3-4 months, given the current resources
20:55 m_anish: it's not clear, though, which customer will want to deploy it
20:55 m_anish anyway, for the next dextrose, besides stability, i want to focus on how sugar can be enhanced, so that it is used by teachers more proactively... (what i'm implying here is is we need to focus more on activities, talk with teachers)
20:55 bernie m_anish: what's the situation in py?
20:55 m_anish: very good point
20:55 m_anish bernie, well we're in testing in daniel ortellado, i've to talk with pacita as to when she wants to start flashing...
20:56 bernie m_anish: although activity development can very easily proceed in parallel and desynchronized from platform releases
20:56 m_anish so far, pyedu has their own problems, but the feedback dx2 has received has been ok.
20:56 bernie m_anish: who are the current testers?
20:56 m_anish tch, ^?
20:56 bernie, kids in two classes
20:56 bernie m_anish: of DO? or qnother school?
20:56 m_anish DO
20:56 tch__ bernie: the same classrooms for dx1 in D.O
20:57 alsroot_away is now known as alsroot
20:57 m_anish alsroot, good, you're here, there's an impromptu dx3 discussion going on :)
20:58 bernie tch__: those kids are true martyrs :-)
20:58 m_anish bernie, well things are gonna happen slowly in py, but dx2 wise we seem fine
20:59 bernie m_anish: what are the newly deployed XO-1.5 currently running?
20:59 tch__ m_anish: I think the primary goal for dx2 was to make deployers/ local technicians life easier.. so, what we are suggesting here is to also target to teachers needs right?
20:59 m_anish bernie, the 'newly-deployed' xo-1.5 aren't even in py yet.
20:59 tch__, +1
20:59 tch__ bernie: they are fearless testers!
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21:00 m_anish bernie, i'm guessing april/mid april is when the new laptops are gonna be here
21:00 tch__ tch__: i am still here.. that was an impostor!
21:00 bernie tch__: would it be possible for you to go to DO one day and collect as much feedback as possible about what activities or other features they'd need?
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21:01 tch__ yama`: welcome :)
21:01 m_anish bernie, that's what i was getting to... we ideally wanna talk with teachers, pacita so that activities, sugar can blend in more to their *curriculum* and *style of teaching*
21:02 bernie m_anish: how's your spanish, btw? can you already have useful conversations with teachers and kids?
21:02 m_anish bernie, still sucks :(
21:02 bernie, getting better though
21:02 tch__ bernie: sure we can do that, but it is more than just tech work, we should get some advice from pedagoist and people that understands paraguayn education curriculum
21:02 bernie m_anish: it took me 3 months to pick it up, and i came from a very similar language
21:03 tch__ bernie: pyedu education team could help with that
21:03 bernie tch__: maybe martin o.?
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21:03 bernie tch__: he's the only one that knows sugar well AND the school curriculum
21:03 m_anish tch__, yep, whatever it takes to figure it out, but that should be our goal for the next month. do we agree on that
21:04 tch__ bernie: yeah Martin is most likely the best one for that
21:04 m_anish bernie, ^^
21:04 bernie tch__: i'm sure pacita would agree to give him to us for a few hours
21:04 tch__ m_anish: with so many activities developers I think is feaseable goal ;)
21:05 bernie too bad nubae isn't here
21:05 tch__: you could relay this info to the UNA folks
21:05 m_anish bernie, i'm supposed to have a chat with pacita on monday, i can bring it up... moving on... what goes parallel with dx3...
21:05 bernie tch__: to give them ideas on activities to create (or enhance)
21:05 m_anish are we planning a soas type dextrose image anytime soon>
21:05 ?
21:06 bernie m_anish: there would be the Dextrose Server...
21:06 m_anish bernie, what are we basing dx3 on 0.92/4?
21:06 tch__ bernie: that is what i aiming for, independently of dx3 development :)
21:06 bernie m_anish: but only if Paraguay wants to test & deploy it.
21:06 m_anish: dx3 will be 0.92
21:07 m_anish: it's currently, 0.90, but the rebase is super-easy
21:07 too bad silbe isn't here
21:07 m_anish bernie, ah ok.
21:07 bernie 0.92 is just 0.90.3 renamed...
21:07 m_anish bernie, ok, your big ideas for dx3?
21:07 bernie so, Dextrose 3 is F14 + Sugar 0.92
21:07 tch__ bernie: apperently yes
21:08 bernie m_anish: i think we should limit this release to a platform and sugar upgrade. it will look a lot newer than dx2 due to the spiral in the main view :-)
21:08 m_anish: there are few new features, though
21:08 tch__ bernie: lol.
21:08 m_anish bernie, when is dx3 supposed to be out as far as you are concerned?
21:09 bernie m_anish: improvements to Browse would be the most noticeable thing for Sugar
21:09 tch__ bernie: btw, i am not sure about which dx2 features will be ported to dx3, have we ever discussed that?
21:09 bernie m_anish: Gnome, of course, would get 1.5 years of new features.
21:09 m_anish tch__, i'd presume most if not all?
21:10 bernie m_anish: i think it could be out within 3-4 months... but there's no point in making a release that no deployment needs. so it's up to paraguay to decide, I guess
21:10 tch__ bernie: I hope so, but it won't happen if we don't talk about it
21:10 bernie tch__: I thought that silbe already ported forward all of them
21:10 tch__: but he might have missed some of the latest patches
21:10 m_anish bernie, i don't think they're gonna use a new release after just flashing 9000 laptops with a 3 month old release
21:10 tch__ bernie: great
21:10 bernie tch__: the dx3 machinery halted about one month ago
21:11 tch__ bernie: nothing heavy has been developed in the last month, just last minute bug fixes hacks
21:11 bernie m_anish: agreed. so DX3 could become a technology preview. we could use it as a base to develop larger new features
21:12 tch__ i think it will be important and necessary to define our goals for dx3 and from thar defining the technical requirements, etc
21:12 bernie m_anish: dfarning told me that he wants to synchronize our builds with olpc. even the versioning scheme (the 10.1.3 thing, which i find obnoxious)
21:12 tch__ m_anish: can you work on that? like in a wiki page?
21:12 bernie tch__: yes
21:13 m_anish bernie, makes sense. re: obscure version nos, i'm not worried :)
21:13 tch__, could do that
21:13 bernie still, i don't see the advantage of synchronizing our builds with olpc rather than with deployments. it may save a little duplication, but in my opinion it takes away the reason why Dextrose exists.
21:14 tch__ bernie: +1
21:14 m_anish bernie, you should ask dfarning the logic behind his decision
21:14 bernie m_anish: i asked, but now he's afk.
21:15 m_anish bernie, ok, the imp takeaway i'm seeing is dx3: preview 0.92 release. in parallel, do some research on curriculum and how to enhance activities to fit in better, and focus on that afterwards?
21:15 bernie, tch__ /me could make a quick wiki page and discuss it with everyone in the meeting tomorrow.
21:16 tch__ m_anish: sounds good, it will help us all to be in the same page
21:16 bernie m_anish: ok. unless, of course, a deployment steps forward to deploy it
21:17 btw, when is the xo-1.75 going to be available?
21:17 tch__ bernie: no clue
21:18 bernie: is there a f11 build for it?
21:18 bernie m_anish: nice. please, make a hierarchy similar to http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Dextrose/2
21:18 tch__ bernie: or just f14 >
21:18 m_anish bernie, nein idee
21:18 bernie tch__: nope, they use fedora 12 or 13, i think
21:18 cjb: right?
21:18 m_anish bernie, ok
21:18 tch__ bernie: hmm
21:18 cjb f12
21:18 bernie tch__: i think the idea is to switch to f14 as soon as it becomes available for arm
21:18 cjb f13 nearly ready
21:18 then f14 a few months after that
21:19 bernie cjb: will the next olpc os release use the same fedora distro for all the XO platfroms?
21:19 tch__ bernie: that will make sense
21:20 cjb we'd like to standardize on F14, yes
21:20 but it's not clear that F14 ARM will be ready in time
21:20 given that it hasn't been started on yet
21:20 bernie cjb: i wonder if trisquel could become available for arm in time :-)
21:21 cjb: i've fell in love with the Trisquel + Sugar images that quidam is rolling out
21:21 cjb: he uses the dextrose sugar packages too...
21:21 m_anish cjb, any idea when xo1.75 is gonna be in use by deployments?
21:21 bernie good question
21:25 m_anish: can you talk with carlos about the idea to upgrade the xs to rhel6 or f14?
21:26 tch__: when are you seeing again the people at UNA?
21:26 tch__ bernie: personally I don't think they would like to do that until theres a VERY strong reason
21:27 bernie tch__: seeing you?
21:28 m_anish bernie, i can relay your question, but don't have anything useful to add to it.
21:28 bernie tch__: ah, you mean upgrading the schoolserver :-)
21:28 cjb m_anish: no idea, it's all a bit complicated
21:28 tch__ bernie: well, Jorge Levera is working on the proposal I am helping him, but it is still not clear how we can relate it some of the interested people
21:28 bernie cjb: ok. thanks
21:28 tch__ bernie: yep, talking about XS
21:29 bernie tch__: these things are always muddy
21:29 shall we conclude here?
21:29 tch__ i think we have enough questions for now haha
21:30 bernie tch__: hehe
21:30 sayonara!
21:30 #endmeeting
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