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#sugar-meeting meeting, 2011-02-05 14:04:06

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14:04 meeting Meeting started Sat Feb  5 14:04:06 2011 UTC. The chair is alsroot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
14:04 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #endmeeting
14:04 alsroot m_anish_afk: ping
14:05 looks like m_anish_afk is afk, and tch as well
14:05 #topic activity patching progress, short summary
14:05 passes the word to dirakx
14:05 dfarning m_anish_afk and roberto were at a school doing the first round of testing thursday and Friday..... they might need to recover.
14:05 dirakx hello all.
14:06 so ok there have been some minor tweeks for tamtam, record, wikipedia and maze.
14:07 wikipedia is a must (in my opinion) to upload to aslo
14:07 i've already tested it on dextrose and runs fine.
14:07 bernie dirakx: martin langhoff's team is working on fixing the wikipedia activity
14:08 dirakx bernie: yep.
14:08 it's now almost fixed.
14:08 bernie dirakx: they seem to have finished: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10510
14:09 alsroot dirakx: btw, did you talk w/ m_anish_afk and tch about taking responsibility to maintain dx activitiy collection on aslo?
14:09 dirakx alsroot: oh..not yet.
14:09 alsroot it should be natural since you are taking care about activities..
14:09 dirakx that should be an action for me ;).
14:10 bernie dirakx: can you upload it to aslo pls?
14:10 dirakx bernie: sure.
14:10 bernie alsroot: +1 for dirakx activitymaster
14:10 dirakx bernie: i was expecting a minor patch. and then it has to go to aslo.
14:10 bernie dirakx: nice. did they rebundle also the spanish version?
14:11 dirakx bernie: indeed.
14:11 I've been working also with NZ team reports..and follow trough their requests
14:12 also with devs at ceibaljam...
14:12 with certain limits we should be able to suport them someway.
14:13 and also i've been un-tangling up pootle..the dextrose project is up but it needs some symlinks that saya's code was doing..but failling now.
14:14 I've talked with him, he kindly said to me that he would take a look at it today or tomorrow.
14:15 I have work to do..in fixing some measure bugs and also tamtam not fitting xo-screen well on rotation.
14:15 fitting it is also a recurrent requeriment for activities.
14:16 alsroot dirakx: that will be not so trivial, at least for Edit :(
14:16 dirakx :(.
14:16 alsroot guesses that everyone (including people who afk) are +1 for making dirakx activity master on aslo to take case of dx collection
14:16 any -1?
14:18 #action dirakx is activity master to take care of dextrose collection on ASLO, at least for common one, further interaction is needed to with onsite people to shake it(or new collection) down for local deploymnets
14:18 dirakx great.
14:19 alsroot dirakx: for now, we use fructose on activity-testing.sl.o to test activity updater code, but it will be moved to production and we need to create new collection, for dextrose
14:19 dirakx alsroot: ok.
14:19 alsroot: i'll follow with you on that.
14:20 if necessary.
14:20 alsroot dirakx: I'm waiting for m_anish_afk "go ahead" for moving aslo code to production
14:20 it seems that nubae is not used for regular meetings yet..
14:21 dirakx alsroot: there are some minor issues on admins/editor interface on activities-testing
14:21 alsroot: besides from that it's o.k
14:22 alsroot: btw how can i test activity-updater..(microformat) ?.
14:22 alsroot dirakx: for admin/editor UI, we are switcing to new ASLO anyway these months. good chance to revisit this issue
14:22 dirakx right.
14:22 alsroot dirakx: dx-2 already has microformat updater
14:22 just run it, it will look to fructose collection on -testing.sl.o
14:23 dirakx hmm ok
14:23 alsroot dirakx: you can add new activities and/or set particular version for them to fetch only this verstion
14:24 dirakx great.
14:24 alsroot dirakx: but contact w/ m_anish_afk, he uses fructose on -testing in the field right now
14:25 #topic how dx-2 patches are flying to the trunk, short summary
14:25 passes the word to silbe
14:25 dfarning alsroot, can you introduce dirakx to your contacts at Mozilla so he can start tracking upstream AMO development.? If necessary we can add a web developer to help with the transition if you and dirakx are too busy.
14:25 silbe what's "trunk"?
14:25 alsroot silbe: yup, from branches
14:25 silbe ??
14:25 alsroot to master repos
14:26 silbe ah, you mean merging the improved DX-2 patches to upstream mainline/master?
14:27 alsroot dfarning: I didn't contact with mozilla people for months, but will take a look, especially about transaltion..
14:27 silbe: yup, are there any ideas/progress
14:27 lucian has quit IRC
14:28 silbe Simon and I finally agreed on how to proceed re. 0.92 and the new OLPC release resp. DX-3, so I can finally push the patches (I had put them on hold to avoid one of them being the cause for OLPC not basing on 0.92).
14:28 dfarning alsroot, thanks
14:28 bernie silbe: cool. so, will the release be called 0.92 or 0.90.1?
14:28 silbe I still need reviews for these patches before I can push them: https://patchwork.sugarlabs.org/patch/169/ https://patchwork.sugarlabs.org/patch/596/ https://patchwork.sugarlabs.org/patch/616/ https://patchwork.sugarlabs.org/patch/612/ https://patchwork.sugarlabs.org/patch/597/
14:29 bernie: probably 0.92.0.
14:29 bernie silbe: k
14:29 silbe We'll also keep downstream repos and only push bug fixes into sucrose-0.92.
14:29 m_anish_afk is now known as m_anish
14:29 silbe I have a feeling my recent chat with dsd played a major factor in that decision. :)
14:29 CanoeBerry has quit IRC
14:29 alsroot silbe: will take a look, if can help w/ patches you posted
14:30 m_anish (just woken up)
14:30 bernie silbe: 597 is nice!
14:30 arjs m_anish: morningt
14:31 bernie silbe: also #612! compliments
14:31 dirakx m_anish: morning
14:31 bernie arjs: 'morning
14:31 lucian <lucian!~lucian@78-86-217-168.zone2.bethere.co.uk> has joined #sugar-meeting
14:31 silbe bernie: please review it. Aleksey already said he doesn't have time. I've asked Quozl some time back; maybe I should ping him again.
14:31 arjs bernie: morning! hows it going
14:32 alsroot m_anish: since dirakx is working on activity bug fixing, would be great if he takes care about dx aslo collections.. so he is :)
14:32 silbe and maybe lucian could review https://patchwork.sugarlabs.org/patch/619/ ?
14:32 bernie silbe: i'm very glad that, for the first time, olpc is going with the same Sugar version that sugar labs published.
14:32 dirakx arjs: good to see you here ;)
14:32 dfarning silbe, alsroot speaking of merging.... Are there any other interesting trees that can be harvested?  IIRC mstone has one.
14:32 silbe bernie: +10
14:32 lucian btw, sorry i've been missing. very busy
14:32 m_anish morning everyone
14:32 alsroot, ok
14:33 arjs dirakx: same here:) pretty exciting work with regard to activities that you are doing :)
14:33 m_anish alsroot, we've found some pretty wierd bugs and the formadores have reported some bugs to us as well
14:33 lucian silbe: that patch doesn't sound very safe
14:33 dirakx arjs: thanks..btw measure is involved :)!.
14:34 alsroot m_anish: via feedback, can I see the log?
14:34 m_anish alsroot, nope, we were in caacupe yesterday in a meeting with formadores
14:34 silbe dfarning: for 0.94 I'm going to go the "sugar-core" (merged repositories) route. After we did that, we could take a closer look at Michaels repository (it's a merged one, too). For 0.92 it's probably too late, unless it's a bug fix.
14:34 bernie silbe: +1
14:34 m_anish: do you have some notes on these bugs?
14:34 alsroot m_anish: could you post reports to dextrose@
14:35 m_anish alsroot, btw the updater works, since they were asking about a strange icon with '?!' appearing out of nowhere :)
14:35 bernie, yep
14:35 alsroot, ok
14:35 bernie silbe: m_stone also has a script that recreates his repo on the fly. so it's always fresh
14:35 silbe lucian: ok, maybe we could chat on #sugar later about why you think it isn't safe? Would you have some time?
14:35 lucian silbe: today, yes
14:35 silbe bernie: Interesting. Where does he put his own custom patches then?
14:35 lucian: great, thanks!
14:36 bernie m_anish: did you take logs and journals from the machines with weird bugs?
14:36 dfarning silbe, let's activitly look for trees.  There is a lot of good stuff out there that looks useful if it can be cleaned up and merged.
14:36 m_anish will wait for current topic to get over
14:36 bernie lucian: btw, is there any chance we could involve you in finishing Surf for Dextrose 3? now we have fedora 14, so all the deps should be there
14:37 lucian bernie: if the deps are there and i find the time, sure
14:37 bernie lucian: i'll ask SMParrish to make sure the deps are there
14:38 m_anish: sorry to interrupt you, please go ahead
14:38 silbe dfarning: if you can point out some trees (I don't think Michael uses git.sugarlabs.org for his, so I can't easily "discover" it), I'll try to set some kind of commit notification up so I notice new patches in those repos.
14:38 lucian bernie: by 'deps' i mean pygobject with gobject-introspection. Surf can't be complete without a libsoup binding
14:38 bernie silbe: he does use git.sugarlabs.org now
14:38 silbe bernie: oh, cool.
14:39 dfarning silbe, I'll poke around
14:39 silbe alsroot: is there a way to let gitorious mail me patches that get pushed to some repo?
14:39 dfarning: thanks!
14:39 m_anish bernie, well they showed me the bugs on my xo, so I didn't really take the journal or logs, also some of them are more like 'UI changes' rather than 'bugs'
14:40 alsroot silbe: yup, go to your dashboard and click "Mail notification" or so
14:40 silbe alsroot: great, will try it!
14:40 m_anish bernie, but, /me discovered a few bugs that probably affect mainline sugar as well
14:41 bernie m_anish: which ui changes did they not like? (they never do, initially... then after a while they get used to it and like it more the new way)
14:41 silbe I guess we're done with this topic for now. I'll take a look at the recent DX-2 patches (there seem to be a lot of them) and see if there's anything that qualifies for getting upstreamed. (a lot of what I've seen fly by didn't, at least not in its current form)
14:41 alsroot ok, I guess this (upstream/downstream) is huge, but we have one more topic to discuss
14:41 #topic Dextrose projects admin on git.sugarlabs.org
14:42 my ideas was to have such admin(one person) who will be aware of all dx related projects/repos on git.sl.o
14:42 and would be useful to have one of newcomers
14:42 dirakx alsroot: what taks would be involved?
14:42 tasks*
14:42 bernie alsroot: i could take this...
14:42 m_anish bernie, UI changes in activities... for example in Paint, moving from version 27 to 31, there have been major bug fixes, but the UI has changed somewhat. They were reporting it as missing a palette selection icon
14:43 alsroot dirakx: just taking care of dextrose team on git.sl.o, add new members, ping projects owners of dx projects to pass ownerhip to dx team (to collect all projects in one place), I think..
14:44 m_anish bernie, or in turtleart, pressing the clear button clear's the grid as well (probably it didn't earlier), /me will check
14:44 bernie, but some were genuine
14:44 alsroot dirakx: if you are planing to be busy for actiivgty relates tasks, maybe arjs? ie would be useful to have dx duties spread among all dx contribs
14:45 dirakx alsroot: i can do it also..but bernie already step in.
14:45 m_anish bernie, and one is a little scary... after suspend/resume my keyboard/touchpad doesn't work!
14:45 alsroot bernie: what about arjs?
14:45 bernie m_anish: at least it shows that they actually used the activities
14:46 m_anish bernie, apart from the nitpicky wierd bugs i've discovered with the platform, this is the only serious platform issue seen
14:46 bernie, yep
14:46 bernie dirakx: i'm ok with you doing it
14:46 silbe m_anish: check that you have the latest (non-beta) firmware and latest kernel. (re. suspend/resume)
14:46 m_anish silbe, ok
14:47 dirakx alsroot,bernie i can do it
14:47 silbe m_anish: BTW, is this on XO-1 or XO-1.5?
14:48 m_anish silbe, the suspend/resume thing is on xo1
14:48 bernie #action dirakx becomes dextrose team admin on git.sugarlabs.org
14:49 alsroot ok, I guess we cloed agenda...
14:49 silbe m_anish: then a firmware upgrade might do the trick. There was some related bug that got fixed recently...
14:49 m_anish silbe, oh great!
14:50 alsroot dirakx: I'll downgarade all dx team members on git to regular contributors and leave you as an admin
14:51 dirakx alsroot: perfect.
14:51 alsroot bernie: I guess we need to pass dx project ownership to dx team
14:51 bernie: in that case we will see all dx related project on team page
14:51 would be useful
14:51 bernie alsroot: ah yes.
14:52 alsroot: go ahead... no need to add back committers who did not commit anything in the last few months.
14:53 alsroot bernie: ok, I'll just leave only +dextrose as only committer to dx project
14:53 #action move dextrose git project to dextrose team
14:54 #e-n-d-m-e-e-t-i-n-g
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