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| 14:15 |
meeting |
Meeting started Fri Nov 19 14:15:01 2010 UTC. The chair is dfarning. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 14:15 |
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| 14:15 |
dfarning |
silbe, thanks |
| 14:15 |
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lets put off the discussion about starting a git branch until next week. |
| 14:16 |
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can we start by each giving a summary of what we plan on working on this week. starting with silbe |
| 14:17 |
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SMParrish_mobile <SMParrish_mobile!~Android 32.160.147.157> has joined #sugar-meeting |
| 14:18 |
dfarning |
this will just help us get synchronized. |
| 14:19 |
silbe |
I've finished rebasing sugar and am working on rebasing sugar-toolkit. Will try to get packages with updates patches built (which means fuzzing around with both git and rpm). |
| 14:20 |
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Took ownership of Patchwork; we can now manage the Dextrose patch q with it. |
| 14:20 |
SMParrish |
silbe: if you get everything commited to a git repo I can build the rpms if you want me to |
| 14:21 |
silbe |
I'll also need to clean up the upstream Patchwork q and get my cleanup series landed so we can hopefully get unstuck upstream. |
| 14:23 |
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SMParrish: I have a git repo, but I suppose you want it in the format it's in the Dextrose repo (i.e. as individual patch files inside the repo), which is not what I have. :) |
| 14:23 |
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cjb has quit IRC |
| 14:24 |
silbe |
I've imported the patches into a git repo (cloned from upstream sources) so I can work with git instead of diff/patch or quilt. |
| 14:25 |
SMParrish |
silbe: point me at what you have and I'll take a look at it. like I told bernie we are starting to get patch collisons so merging the patches that have been accepted upstream and spinning a new release might be a good thing to do |
| 14:26 |
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jumping to my cell. have to start work :( |
| 14:26 |
silbe |
So we effectively already have the repository dfarning announced on the list. I don't think upstream should pull from it, however - instead we should go through the regular review process. But that's a topic for another time. |
| 14:26 |
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SMParrish is now known as SMParrish_away |
| 14:26 |
silbe |
SMParrish_away: ok, ttyl |
| 14:27 |
dfarning |
silbe, nice how is patchwork working? or are you still learning? |
| 14:27 |
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silbe, what did you rebase to? |
| 14:27 |
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silbe, smParrish is the plan to continue basing dextrose on .88 while syncing with SL .90? then jump dextrose to .92 |
| 14:27 |
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in the meantime smParrish what are your plans for the week? |
| 14:27 |
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silbe, ok |
| 14:27 |
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looks like we lost smParrish_away |
| 14:27 |
silbe |
dfarning: Patchwork is suffering from a severe lack of documentation. Uboot recently started using it and created some sort of howto that I should read to see whether it contains anything useful for us. |
| 14:29 |
dfarning |
silbe, any major problems we should look at as AC? |
| 14:29 |
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alsroot, ping |
| 14:29 |
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tch, how about your plans? |
| 14:30 |
alsroot |
woke up |
| 14:30 |
silbe |
dfarning: I think we agreed on basing Dextrose on 0.88 (which is what I did). We will cherry-pick most of 0.90 simply because except for Tomeus Collaboration rewrite (which we don't want yet because it's not stable enough) 0.90 mainly consisted of a) Dextrose patches and b) bug fixes. The few non-bugfix, not-yet-in-Dextrose patches are major improvements that we want, too. |
| 14:31 |
dfarning |
silbe, +1 |
| 14:31 |
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alsroot, are you awake enough to give a summary of your plans for next week? |
| 14:33 |
silbe |
I hope upstream will get stable soon (though I don't see how, given that we lost our only contributor who understood Telepathy well enough) because cherry-picking so many patches is likely to get a PITA soon. |
| 14:33 |
tch |
i will keep pushing forward the notification service extensions to meet more items on the standard protocol, hopefully I will get done with it this weekend. So next week I expect to start using it to solve a few old issues. |
| 14:34 |
silbe |
tch: oh right, we should chat about that after the meeting if you got some time. |
| 14:34 |
tch |
silbe: sure |
| 14:34 |
silbe |
(with my upstream hat on) |
| 14:34 |
tch |
silbe: great, |
| 14:35 |
dfarning |
tch +1 have you figured out what type of stuff you need to notify about? |
| 14:35 |
alsroot |
dfarning: that was exactly my Q, since we don't need to code yum updater, I don't see current dextrose work, so I was planing to back to 0sugar(as regular work) and reviewing upstrema patches mean time, if there is not dextrose work for me |
| 14:36 |
tch |
dfarning: yeah, actually I started this feature because there were a few issues that would require some mechanism to notify messages to the users, and honestly I was tired of Alert widgets abuse. |
| 14:38 |
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people complain about interfering with the users activities, but the the alerts are the most annoying and intrusive method possible (except for that journal-is-full moda window) |
| 14:38 |
dfarning |
alsroot, can you ping SMParrish_mobile about a few dextose tasks and test the yum updater. |
| 14:39 |
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tch +1 |
| 14:39 |
tch |
what i try to do is simply to extend what sugar already have to also display messages, respecting the discoverability principle |
| 14:39 |
dfarning |
m_anish_ how about your upcoming week? |
| 14:40 |
alsroot |
dfarning: will do |
| 14:40 |
m_anish__ |
I've worked on (and continue to work on) cleaning up the microformat-updater and fixing issues/testing. The latest version not including these changes(which I mailed to SMParrish_mobile ) works... |
| 14:40 |
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... but I wouldn't want it reviewed (yet) |
| 14:41 |
dfarning |
alsroot, thanks. |
| 14:41 |
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m_anish_ do you need help with the also side of the activity updater? |
| 14:41 |
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aslo |
| 14:42 |
m_anish__ |
dfarning: yes that would be great. i know very little php |
| 14:42 |
dfarning |
m_anish_ ok, I'll try to find someone to work on it. |
| 14:43 |
m_anish__ |
dfarning: i'll be afk on IRC monday-wed, but will have access to mailing-lists |
| 14:43 |
dfarning |
m_anish_any more progress on your visa? |
| 14:43 |
alsroot |
m_anish__: dfarning: I can take aslo side coding, I guess there are not hard work from SMParrish_away |
| 14:43 |
tch |
dfarning: btw, we should talk about the yum-updater too :) |
| 14:43 |
m_anish__ |
dfarning: the last update is that i dropped of my passport at the embassy on tue this week, and i've been ringing them up ever since |
| 14:44 |
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but looks like the interview/final approval will only happen next week |
| 14:44 |
dfarning |
alsroot, that would be great |
| 14:44 |
m_anish__ |
alsroot: ok, that'de be great |
| 14:45 |
alsroot |
m_anish__: ping me later, with discussion what you need from aslo |
| 14:45 |
dfarning |
m_anish_ this is turning out to be a learning experience. |
| 14:45 |
m_anish__ |
alsroot: ok |
| 14:45 |
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dfarning: i want the learning to be over :( |
| 14:46 |
dfarning |
I guess that is it for summries? |
| 14:46 |
tch |
dfarning: we can party now? ;) |
| 14:46 |
m_anish__ |
dfarning: i'll update you next week on the flight booking/etc. other details |
| 14:47 |
silbe |
tch: what's the occasion? is it your birthday? |
| 14:47 |
tch |
silbe: to celebrate that things are moving forward ! |
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haha, |
| 14:48 |
silbe |
tch: we can celebrate when things are finally moving forward upstream :-P |
| 14:48 |
dfarning |
tch, what are your ideas about yum-updater. That seems like a blockers for widespread deployment in PY. |
| 14:48 |
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m_anish_ thanks |
| 14:48 |
tch |
silbe: we can just make a bigger party then :) |
| 14:48 |
silbe |
:) |
| 14:48 |
dfarning |
silbe, looks like we are getting closer. |
| 14:49 |
alsroot |
dfarning: tch: we need SMParrish_away for that, since he is dextrose image master (if I got it right) |
| 14:49 |
tch |
dfarning: i spoke to rralcala (new pyedu ceo) and hes _very_ interested, actually he needs it asap.. before even considering any mass upgrade |
| 14:49 |
silbe |
dfarning: how so? Did I miss something on IRC? |
| 14:50 |
alsroot |
silbe: look to dextrose@, I've posted a ling to IRC discussion there |
| 14:50 |
silbe |
tch: what does he need? the updater? |
| 14:50 |
tch |
silbe: yum-updater |
| 14:51 |
dfarning |
silbe, sorry that might have been some rralcala emailed me/tch.... that is the goal of this meeting to get us more aware of what others are doing. |
| 14:51 |
tch |
silbe: what is going on _today_ on caacupe is pure madness, the only updating method available is a sending an army with flash drives to nand blast the field |
| 14:52 |
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silbe: and that option is going away when 1.5 xos arrives (if i understood correctly) |
| 14:52 |
silbe |
tch: ok. Should be easy enough to do and hopefully be low enough risk if we disable the yum tmpfs and the Fedora repos. As long as we don't publish the image, I don't think there would be any reason for alsroot not to build one for trying out the feature, even if SMParrish_away is still AFK later. |
| 14:52 |
alsroot |
as we discussed on #dextrose, task is pretty trivial, just having dextrose repo (if we don't have it) and a cron job |
| 14:53 |
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..to update only dextrose repo |
| 14:53 |
dfarning |
silbe, the fs-update via usbstick is _really_ painfull once the laptops are deployed. |
| 14:53 |
tch |
i can tell :,,,( |
| 14:54 |
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i still have nightmares x.X |
| 14:54 |
silbe |
alsroot: message-id? |
| 14:55 |
alsroot |
silbe: http://lists.sugarlabs.org/arc[…]ember/000617.html |
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silbe: dfarning: to be honest I was for human regions of responsibility :) (ie SMParrish_away works on images) |
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s/human/human sized/ |
| 14:55 |
silbe |
dfarning: I suppose so, as I don't think anyone has made a proper backup+reflash+restore solution yet. |
| 14:56 |
dfarning |
anything else we need to talk about as a goup? or is is time to split into smaller topical threads. |
| 14:56 |
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alsroot, I am not sure what you mean? |
| 14:57 |
silbe |
alsroot: ok, seems we talked about different things. I was talking about upstream stalling, you were talking about the updater. |
| 14:58 |
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alsroot: BTW, I suppose for the notification part you'll be using the update-notifier (Ubuntu?) protocol? |
| 14:58 |
alsroot |
dfarning: just if SMParrish_away takes care about dextrose images, we need to ask him -- but if SMParrish_away is busy (and we need yum updates asap), I can take care of it |
| 14:59 |
dfarning |
alsroot, ahhh. +1 lets keep building to smParrish_away as much as possiable for now. |
| 14:59 |
alsroot |
silbe: for the first time (at least) we need only "plase reboot" message, using just system bus should be enough |
| 14:59 |
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silbe: we can improve it later (w/ keeping backward comp.) |
| 15:00 |
dfarning |
alsroot, if it gets too much for him we can hire a build master. you are right. as soon as we all try to work on everything we will start stepping on eachother s toes. |
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| 15:01 |
alsroot |
dfarning: yeah, that was one of core issues (in my mind) in SL DevTEam |
| 15:01 |
silbe |
alsroot: you'll also need something that listens to it. So please let's try to tweak update-notifier to do what we want instead of developing custom stuff, especially if we need backwards compatibility later. |
| 15:01 |
dfarning |
ok last official topic? Any suggestions for new AC developers. |
| 15:02 |
alsroot |
silbe: I was thinking about tch for that :) |
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..w/ this notifications |
| 15:02 |
silbe |
alsroot: ok, then I'll just need to "convince" tch of update-notifier ;) |
| 15:02 |
alsroot |
dfarning: not from me |
| 15:03 |
tch |
silbe: what do you mean by custom stuff? :) |
| 15:03 |
silbe |
dfarning: for what kind of task? |
| 15:04 |
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tch: everything that isn't already in use by somebody else |
| 15:04 |
dfarning |
if you don't what to mention names on this channel please email me. the best developers are going to be people you guys know and respect. So no cvs's for us:) |
| 15:04 |
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ok we are over time. Thanks everyone for a good week. |
| 15:05 |
tch |
<serious questions> is this custom? http://library.gnome.org/devel/notification-spec/ |
| 15:05 |
dfarning |
silbe, I think our top priority will be general dextrose development. |
| 15:05 |
tch |
that is what sugar already use, is just partially implemented |
| 15:05 |
dfarning |
silbe, also looking at UI designers. |
| 15:05 |
silbe |
tch: your current work looks great in that regard because you're just adding some features from the protocol Gnome is already using, instead of adding our own custom stuff to it or even replacing it with something else. |
| 15:06 |
dfarning |
so to end the meet 6 mintues late. |
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#endmeeting |
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