| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 15:07 | sdziallas | (still waiting for a few folks to drop in.) |
| 15:09 | #TOPIC Weekly Meeting (2010/08/16) | |
| 15:09 | #LINK http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]_a_Stick_meetings | |
| 15:09 | This one is our agenda for the day. | |
| 15:10 | erikos | looks |
| 15:10 | sdziallas | I'd like to add Fedora's current update policies as well as testing there, given the convos with erikos. :) |
| 15:10 | erikos | sdziallas: +1 |
| 15:11 | sdziallas | I will start walking through the topics and hope that other folks drop in here soon. |
| 15:11 | Actually, what we need is: | |
| 15:12 | #ACTION mchua and sdziallas to work on setting up a newer meetbot on the dedicated server | |
| 15:12 | #TOPIC Release Schedule | |
| 15:12 | #ACTION Fedora 14 slipped by a week, sdziallas will update the wiki page | |
| 15:13 | erikos | sdziallas: yeah, the whole schedule was adjusted - we are quite behind 10.10 now |
| 15:13 | sdziallas: that time they get all the bugs first ;p | |
| 15:15 | sdziallas | grins. |
| 15:16 | :) | |
| 15:16 | Okay, Mel is here now. | |
| 15:16 | erikos | mchua: ! |
| 15:17 | mchua_ | Hypothetically, I'm not supposed to be on IRC until I finish my article for opensource.com, but I'm... um... making an exception for this meeting. |
| 15:17 | Hence the nick. | |
| 15:17 | erikos | mchua_: :) |
| 15:17 | mchua_: we can make it a short one I am sure | |
| 15:18 | sdziallas | Let's move on, okay? |
| 15:18 | mchua_ | adds "test day" to agenda (I'm *pretty* sure that's still scheduled for Thursday) |
| 15:18 | sdziallas | #TOPIC Features Submitted for Review |
| 15:18 | I would like to ignore these, we are past feature freeze and have voted on them already. | |
| 15:18 | mchua_ | +1 |
| 15:19 | sdziallas | Okeydokey.# |
| 15:19 | erikos | okey |
| 15:19 | sdziallas | #AGREED Features are already covered, moving on. |
| 15:19 | #TOPIC Testing Process | |
| 15:19 | mchua_ | Short version is that satellit__ (thanks, Tom!) has been staying on top of the nightly builds |
| 15:20 | we still need test cases - that's the biggest blocker in moving forwards in a better way | |
| 15:20 | sdziallas | THe test day is on Thursday. |
| 15:20 | satellit__ | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/T[…]able#Test_results |
| 15:20 | sdziallas | If nothing else. I might be mistaken. |
| 15:20 | mchua_ | so we can get an idea of what sort of standard tests are being run on these images and when, so other people can begin reproducing Tom's results. |
| 15:20 | satellit__: That's all I know - anything else to add? | |
| 15:21 | satellit__ | latest N Compose works |
| 15:21 | mchua_ | I apologize for my slackerness in getting a better system and test cases and etc together here; I've been *utterly* swamped by $dayjob and life and moving and jetlag and... well, we're all busy. :) |
| 15:21 | but yeah, it's good to know we have working composes again. | |
| 15:21 | Would it help if I got an automatic weekly email out about the test image (which is uploaded on thursdays) to the soas list and the olpc testing list? | |
| 15:21 | satellit__ | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]vity_Test_Results also available for activities testing |
| 15:22 | mchua_ | (I think it only really makes sense to start that once there's a test case to run, but if someone else is going to write a test case I can set the auto-emails up in 2 minutes.) |
| 15:22 | erikos | sdziallas: the official sugar fedora test day? |
| 15:22 | sdziallas | erikos: yes. |
| 15:22 | erikos | sdziallas: what time again? (has to note it in his diary) |
| 15:22 | satellit__ | is the firstboot going to remain on build of v4? |
| 15:23 | sdziallas | erikos: I have no idea, there's apparently some inconsistency in terms of communication going on. |
| 15:23 | mchua_ | Well, we can still have a test day, it's just whether it is on the 'official' Fedora QA schedule as a Fedora Test Day or not, afaict. |
| 15:23 | erikos | sdziallas: ok |
| 15:24 | mchua_ | so the question is whether we still want to show up and do the testing ourselves, knowing that we may or may not have support from the Fedora QA team |
| 15:24 | I'd be up for it, but it'd be a scramble to get the infrastructure and whatnot up in time. Can do, though. | |
| 15:24 | If we're going for that I'd sit down sometime tonight/tomorrow and just bang out a first draft of a (hopefully decent) test case and some rudimentary test case management system, probably just plain straightforward wiki. | |
| 15:24 | and instructions so other people can join in. | |
| 15:25 | sdziallas | Pinging James right now. |
| 15:25 | erikos | mchua: I could help you with that, i guess |
| 15:26 | mchua: I have actually started to documet for the 0.90 release | |
| 15:26 | mchua_ | erikos: Oh, awesome! Actually, the Sugar talking point for Fedora needs fleshing in, but I haven't stayed atop 0.90 development enough to be able to do it. |
| 15:27 | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki[…]ng_Points#Sugar_0.90 | |
| 15:27 | erikos: ^^ if you have a moment to copy-paste stuff in or point me towards data, I would be happy to wordsmith it. | |
| 15:27 | erikos | mchua_: yup, that works |
| 15:28 | mchua_ | erikos: okay - the page is on my watchlist, so when you make the edit, I will catch it. |
| 15:28 | erikos | mchua_: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.90/Notes I will start that |
| 15:29 | mchua_: and then I can edit talking points | |
| 15:29 | mchua_ | erikos: okay - I'll watch both pages then :) |
| 15:29 | erikos | mchua_: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]works#How_To_Test |
| 15:29 | mchua_ | oh, perfect! yeah, erikos - if that page on the SL wiki gets updated, I can grab from it as an upstream and make the Fedora talking points, actually |
| 15:29 | erikos | mchua_: contains for example test cases for thet feature |
| 15:29 | mchua_ | perfect. |
| 15:30 | links that in to the fedora talking points | |
| 15:30 | sorry, I'm getting offtopic | |
| 15:30 | erikos | mchua_: ok, we can keep on after the meeting by email and coordinate |
| 15:30 | mchua_ | nods |
| 15:31 | erikos | sdziallas: slepped in? |
| 15:32 | mchua_ | erikos: gone to get coffee, let's see what's next on the agenda |
| 15:32 | or... wait, we didn't decide about testing this thursday. | |
| 15:32 | erikos | mchua_: yeah |
| 15:32 | mchua_ | erikos, do you think this thursday is a better time than other times later in the next... say, 4-6 weeks to test? |
| 15:32 | erikos | mchua_: i would need to know the time - to see if i am able to attend |
| 15:32 | mchua_ | erikos: I think the timing's flexible; fedora qa days usually run all day to let people from different timezones attend. |
| 15:32 | it's literally a day. | |
| 15:33 | erikos | mchua_: ok, i see |
| 15:33 | mchua_ | erikos: so it's mostly a matter of "is there something specific that we want to test now, or would it be better if we tested something specific later" (and for what value of $later) ? |
| 15:33 | erikos | mchua_: not all the features have landed yet, (kill the PS for eample) where we need a lot of testing |
| 15:34 | mchua_: though, we landed http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]works#How_To_Test and http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]ed_color_selector | |
| 15:34 | mchua_: and a few others - so yeah we can do a first round of testing | |
| 15:35 | mchua_: otherwise testing after next wednesday would be very important | |
| 15:35 | satellit__ | can we use smolt reports from firstboot in tests? |
| 15:38 | erikos | satellit__: you mean, to be able to tell which machines we run on? |
| 15:38 | satellit__ | yes and which ones have problems to correlate with hardware... |
| 15:39 | erikos | satellit__: i guess one need instructions on how to use smolt |
| 15:40 | satellit__: or do we have smolt in the control panel now? | |
| 15:40 | satellit__ | By chance the last few soas are going to firstboot which does a smolt report before logging in to sugar..... |
| 15:41 | it may be an error (bug) but maybe it will be useful | |
| 15:41 | Sugar on a Stick 4 (Mango lassi) Fedora 14 (Laughlin) 0.89.1 *boots to console; firstboot; sugar name field+color; then F3 only first time booted last N Compose | |
| 15:42 | sdziallas | Okay, so what about this test day now? |
| 15:42 | I'm not going to do it alone and I'd like to wrap this meeting soon. | |
| 15:42 | mchua_ | Sounds like if it's a go, there are people who'll step up to work on it (myself included) |
| 15:42 | sdziallas | Can we please get to a decision here? |
| 15:42 | mchua_ | and if it isn't, then... we need to figure out when we do want to do what testing. |
| 15:43 | If there's a test day, I'll be there and I'll help get ready for it. | |
| 15:44 | It sounds like erikos would help as well. | |
| 15:44 | And satellit__, potentially. | |
| 15:44 | sdziallas | mchua: make a call, please. |
| 15:45 | satellit__ | I will be there |
| 15:45 | erikos | will help to prepare notes and test cases for 0.90 |
| 15:45 | sdziallas | Okay. We are on. |
| 15:45 | erikos | hurray! |
| 15:46 | sdziallas | #ACTION test day is on, PR needs to happen, SOP needs to be followed. |
| 15:46 | erikos | sdziallas: if we present us well, we might be able to do other days |
| 15:46 | sdziallas | nods. I think that'd be good. |
| 15:46 | mchua_ | #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/[…]st_Day_management |
| 15:46 | erikos | sdziallas: we need to package the latest release (what i release tonight) |
| 15:46 | sdziallas | Moving on? Coordinating via email? |
| 15:47 | erikos: okay. that means of nothing else, we might need to do a custom build. | |
| 15:47 | #ACTION sdziallas to issue a new build if necessary | |
| 15:47 | erikos | sdziallas: well, if we put it in stable we might get a new build |
| 15:47 | sdziallas: we can use the karma for that | |
| 15:47 | mchua_ | I can set up the test cases and do a quick publicity spurt as per the fedora test day SOP... tonight, tomorrow. |
| 15:48 | publicity spurt comes first since people will need as much lead time as possible to join us. | |
| 15:48 | erikos | mchua_: terrifc |
| 15:48 | sdziallas: and yes we can coordinate via email | |
| 15:48 | mchua_ | I think we may get a small turnout this time around, but it'll get the process going (again) for the next one. |
| 15:48 | erikos | mchua_: right |
| 15:48 | mchua_ | erikos: which list? it's technically sugar testing, but... |
| 15:48 | erikos | mchua_: I would say sugar-devel |
| 15:48 | mchua_: and copy fedora-olpc? | |
| 15:49 | mchua_ | #action mchua make sure test cases, results management system, publicity are done as per http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/[…]st_Day_management |
| 15:49 | erikos: worksforme | |
| 15:49 | sdziallas | #action mchua make sure test cases, results management system, publicity are done as per http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/[…]st_Day_management |
| 15:49 | erikos | mchua_: and of course the soas ist |
| 15:49 | s/ist/list | |
| 15:49 | wonders if sdziallas is a papagei | |
| 15:49 | sdziallas | no, just somebody who gets the docs in the meetbot. |
| 15:50 | erikos | sdziallas: :) |
| 15:50 | sdziallas: what else on our list? | |
| 15:51 | mchua_ | papagei? |
| 15:51 | sdziallas | I think we are done? |
| 15:51 | mchua_ | looks that word up in the dictionary |
| 15:51 | sdziallas | #TOPIC Open Floor |
| 15:51 | erikos | sdziallas: about freezes I just pretend we are good |
| 15:51 | sdziallas: i can ask peter again next time about details | |
| 15:52 | sdziallas | erikos: ayup, I forgot about that. Ouch. sorry. |
| 15:52 | erikos | sdziallas: we do not need to discus that now |
| 15:52 | sdziallas: all fine | |
| 15:52 | sdziallas | erikos: I guess we should just continue packaging stuff. And if somebody complains, I'll yell at them. |
| 15:52 | erikos | sdziallas: right - next monday we are done with features anyhow |
| 15:52 | sdziallas | I dunno what's currently going on with Fedora, in terms of Bodhi. |
| 15:53 | As in, whether we do have a 7 day delay for updates or not. | |
| 15:53 | erikos | sdziallas: well, if anything breaks testers have to install 3 rpms |
| 15:53 | sdziallas | grins, nods. |
| 15:53 | erikos | sdziallas: i will do a test with the rpm |
| 15:54 | sdziallas: i am sure satellit__ can too | |
| 15:54 | sdziallas | erikos: okeydokey. either me or peter should be able to package the latest stuff, we'll take care of getting these done. |
| 15:54 | erikos | one more karma point and we are good... |
| 15:54 | sdziallas | :) |
| 15:54 | erikos: can you send me a link? | |
| 15:54 | (can we wrap this meeting otherwise?) | |
| 15:54 | mchua: ? | |
| 15:54 | satellit__ | +1 for rpm's |
| 15:54 | erikos | satellit__: nice |
| 15:55 | satellit__ | need link |
| 15:55 | erikos | sdziallas: a link to what? |
| 15:55 | mchua_ | erikos: oh - side note, re: 0.90 talking points - the fedora deadline is technically past, so the sooner we can get to it, the better (I really just need a data dump) |
| 15:55 | erikos | satellit__: i will post on the ml then |
| 15:55 | sdziallas | erikos: the update which needs a karma point. :) |
| 15:55 | erikos | sdziallas: sure I mail to the list and cc you guys |
| 15:55 | sdziallas | erikos: awesome, thanks. |
| 15:55 | mchua_ | erikos: if they're out before the test day I can advertise them simultaneously ("come test sugar 0.90 which has these shiny new features A B and C") |
| 15:56 | erikos | mchua: sure, will do |
| 15:56 | sdziallas | Alright. Anything else? |
| 15:56 | erikos | not from me |
| 15:56 | sdziallas | :) |
| 15:56 | mchua_ | Date of our next meeting? |
| 15:56 | erikos | mchua_: good point |
| 15:57 | mchua_: next monday? or is that too close? | |
| 15:57 | sdziallas | Next Monday won't work, I'll be on the road then. |
| 15:57 | mchua_ | As will I. |
| 15:57 | erikos | ok |
| 15:57 | sdziallas | And the week thereafter, orientation starts at Olin. In two weeks, pbrobinson and mchua might be able to steer, though. |
| 15:57 | mchua_ | I can chair a meeting the Monday after that, though. |
| 15:57 | erikos | we can coordinate via email |
| 15:57 | mchua_ | So, 2 weeks from now would workforme. |
| 15:58 | erikos | sounds good |
| 15:58 | sdziallas | #AGREED next meeting in 2 weeks. |
| 15:58 | #endmeeting |