Time |
Nick |
Message |
15:07 |
sdziallas |
(still waiting for a few folks to drop in.) |
15:09 |
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#TOPIC Weekly Meeting (2010/08/16) |
15:09 |
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#LINK http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]_a_Stick_meetings |
15:09 |
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This one is our agenda for the day. |
15:10 |
erikos |
looks |
15:10 |
sdziallas |
I'd like to add Fedora's current update policies as well as testing there, given the convos with erikos. :) |
15:10 |
erikos |
sdziallas: +1 |
15:11 |
sdziallas |
I will start walking through the topics and hope that other folks drop in here soon. |
15:11 |
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Actually, what we need is: |
15:12 |
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#ACTION mchua and sdziallas to work on setting up a newer meetbot on the dedicated server |
15:12 |
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#TOPIC Release Schedule |
15:12 |
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#ACTION Fedora 14 slipped by a week, sdziallas will update the wiki page |
15:13 |
erikos |
sdziallas: yeah, the whole schedule was adjusted - we are quite behind 10.10 now |
15:13 |
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sdziallas: that time they get all the bugs first ;p |
15:15 |
sdziallas |
grins. |
15:16 |
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:) |
15:16 |
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Okay, Mel is here now. |
15:16 |
erikos |
mchua: ! |
15:17 |
mchua_ |
Hypothetically, I'm not supposed to be on IRC until I finish my article for opensource.com, but I'm... um... making an exception for this meeting. |
15:17 |
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Hence the nick. |
15:17 |
erikos |
mchua_: :) |
15:17 |
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mchua_: we can make it a short one I am sure |
15:18 |
sdziallas |
Let's move on, okay? |
15:18 |
mchua_ |
adds "test day" to agenda (I'm *pretty* sure that's still scheduled for Thursday) |
15:18 |
sdziallas |
#TOPIC Features Submitted for Review |
15:18 |
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I would like to ignore these, we are past feature freeze and have voted on them already. |
15:18 |
mchua_ |
+1 |
15:19 |
sdziallas |
Okeydokey.# |
15:19 |
erikos |
okey |
15:19 |
sdziallas |
#AGREED Features are already covered, moving on. |
15:19 |
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#TOPIC Testing Process |
15:19 |
mchua_ |
Short version is that satellit__ (thanks, Tom!) has been staying on top of the nightly builds |
15:20 |
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we still need test cases - that's the biggest blocker in moving forwards in a better way |
15:20 |
sdziallas |
THe test day is on Thursday. |
15:20 |
satellit__ |
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/T[…]able#Test_results |
15:20 |
sdziallas |
If nothing else. I might be mistaken. |
15:20 |
mchua_ |
so we can get an idea of what sort of standard tests are being run on these images and when, so other people can begin reproducing Tom's results. |
15:20 |
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satellit__: That's all I know - anything else to add? |
15:21 |
satellit__ |
latest N Compose works |
15:21 |
mchua_ |
I apologize for my slackerness in getting a better system and test cases and etc together here; I've been *utterly* swamped by $dayjob and life and moving and jetlag and... well, we're all busy. :) |
15:21 |
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but yeah, it's good to know we have working composes again. |
15:21 |
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Would it help if I got an automatic weekly email out about the test image (which is uploaded on thursdays) to the soas list and the olpc testing list? |
15:21 |
satellit__ |
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]vity_Test_Results also available for activities testing |
15:22 |
mchua_ |
(I think it only really makes sense to start that once there's a test case to run, but if someone else is going to write a test case I can set the auto-emails up in 2 minutes.) |
15:22 |
erikos |
sdziallas: the official sugar fedora test day? |
15:22 |
sdziallas |
erikos: yes. |
15:22 |
erikos |
sdziallas: what time again? (has to note it in his diary) |
15:22 |
satellit__ |
is the firstboot going to remain on build of v4? |
15:23 |
sdziallas |
erikos: I have no idea, there's apparently some inconsistency in terms of communication going on. |
15:23 |
mchua_ |
Well, we can still have a test day, it's just whether it is on the 'official' Fedora QA schedule as a Fedora Test Day or not, afaict. |
15:23 |
erikos |
sdziallas: ok |
15:24 |
mchua_ |
so the question is whether we still want to show up and do the testing ourselves, knowing that we may or may not have support from the Fedora QA team |
15:24 |
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I'd be up for it, but it'd be a scramble to get the infrastructure and whatnot up in time. Can do, though. |
15:24 |
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If we're going for that I'd sit down sometime tonight/tomorrow and just bang out a first draft of a (hopefully decent) test case and some rudimentary test case management system, probably just plain straightforward wiki. |
15:24 |
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and instructions so other people can join in. |
15:25 |
sdziallas |
Pinging James right now. |
15:25 |
erikos |
mchua: I could help you with that, i guess |
15:26 |
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mchua: I have actually started to documet for the 0.90 release |
15:26 |
mchua_ |
erikos: Oh, awesome! Actually, the Sugar talking point for Fedora needs fleshing in, but I haven't stayed atop 0.90 development enough to be able to do it. |
15:27 |
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https://fedoraproject.org/wiki[…]ng_Points#Sugar_0.90 |
15:27 |
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erikos: ^^ if you have a moment to copy-paste stuff in or point me towards data, I would be happy to wordsmith it. |
15:27 |
erikos |
mchua_: yup, that works |
15:28 |
mchua_ |
erikos: okay - the page is on my watchlist, so when you make the edit, I will catch it. |
15:28 |
erikos |
mchua_: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.90/Notes I will start that |
15:29 |
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mchua_: and then I can edit talking points |
15:29 |
mchua_ |
erikos: okay - I'll watch both pages then :) |
15:29 |
erikos |
mchua_: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]works#How_To_Test |
15:29 |
mchua_ |
oh, perfect! yeah, erikos - if that page on the SL wiki gets updated, I can grab from it as an upstream and make the Fedora talking points, actually |
15:29 |
erikos |
mchua_: contains for example test cases for thet feature |
15:29 |
mchua_ |
perfect. |
15:30 |
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links that in to the fedora talking points |
15:30 |
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sorry, I'm getting offtopic |
15:30 |
erikos |
mchua_: ok, we can keep on after the meeting by email and coordinate |
15:30 |
mchua_ |
nods |
15:31 |
erikos |
sdziallas: slepped in? |
15:32 |
mchua_ |
erikos: gone to get coffee, let's see what's next on the agenda |
15:32 |
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or... wait, we didn't decide about testing this thursday. |
15:32 |
erikos |
mchua_: yeah |
15:32 |
mchua_ |
erikos, do you think this thursday is a better time than other times later in the next... say, 4-6 weeks to test? |
15:32 |
erikos |
mchua_: i would need to know the time - to see if i am able to attend |
15:32 |
mchua_ |
erikos: I think the timing's flexible; fedora qa days usually run all day to let people from different timezones attend. |
15:32 |
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it's literally a day. |
15:33 |
erikos |
mchua_: ok, i see |
15:33 |
mchua_ |
erikos: so it's mostly a matter of "is there something specific that we want to test now, or would it be better if we tested something specific later" (and for what value of $later) ? |
15:33 |
erikos |
mchua_: not all the features have landed yet, (kill the PS for eample) where we need a lot of testing |
15:34 |
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mchua_: though, we landed http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]works#How_To_Test and http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]ed_color_selector |
15:34 |
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mchua_: and a few others - so yeah we can do a first round of testing |
15:35 |
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mchua_: otherwise testing after next wednesday would be very important |
15:35 |
satellit__ |
can we use smolt reports from firstboot in tests? |
15:38 |
erikos |
satellit__: you mean, to be able to tell which machines we run on? |
15:38 |
satellit__ |
yes and which ones have problems to correlate with hardware... |
15:39 |
erikos |
satellit__: i guess one need instructions on how to use smolt |
15:40 |
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satellit__: or do we have smolt in the control panel now? |
15:40 |
satellit__ |
By chance the last few soas are going to firstboot which does a smolt report before logging in to sugar..... |
15:41 |
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it may be an error (bug) but maybe it will be useful |
15:41 |
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Sugar on a Stick 4 (Mango lassi) Fedora 14 (Laughlin) 0.89.1 *boots to console; firstboot; sugar name field+color; then F3 only first time booted last N Compose |
15:42 |
sdziallas |
Okay, so what about this test day now? |
15:42 |
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I'm not going to do it alone and I'd like to wrap this meeting soon. |
15:42 |
mchua_ |
Sounds like if it's a go, there are people who'll step up to work on it (myself included) |
15:42 |
sdziallas |
Can we please get to a decision here? |
15:42 |
mchua_ |
and if it isn't, then... we need to figure out when we do want to do what testing. |
15:43 |
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If there's a test day, I'll be there and I'll help get ready for it. |
15:44 |
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It sounds like erikos would help as well. |
15:44 |
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And satellit__, potentially. |
15:44 |
sdziallas |
mchua: make a call, please. |
15:45 |
satellit__ |
I will be there |
15:45 |
erikos |
will help to prepare notes and test cases for 0.90 |
15:45 |
sdziallas |
Okay. We are on. |
15:45 |
erikos |
hurray! |
15:46 |
sdziallas |
#ACTION test day is on, PR needs to happen, SOP needs to be followed. |
15:46 |
erikos |
sdziallas: if we present us well, we might be able to do other days |
15:46 |
sdziallas |
nods. I think that'd be good. |
15:46 |
mchua_ |
#link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/[…]st_Day_management |
15:46 |
erikos |
sdziallas: we need to package the latest release (what i release tonight) |
15:46 |
sdziallas |
Moving on? Coordinating via email? |
15:47 |
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erikos: okay. that means of nothing else, we might need to do a custom build. |
15:47 |
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#ACTION sdziallas to issue a new build if necessary |
15:47 |
erikos |
sdziallas: well, if we put it in stable we might get a new build |
15:47 |
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sdziallas: we can use the karma for that |
15:47 |
mchua_ |
I can set up the test cases and do a quick publicity spurt as per the fedora test day SOP... tonight, tomorrow. |
15:48 |
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publicity spurt comes first since people will need as much lead time as possible to join us. |
15:48 |
erikos |
mchua_: terrifc |
15:48 |
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sdziallas: and yes we can coordinate via email |
15:48 |
mchua_ |
I think we may get a small turnout this time around, but it'll get the process going (again) for the next one. |
15:48 |
erikos |
mchua_: right |
15:48 |
mchua_ |
erikos: which list? it's technically sugar testing, but... |
15:48 |
erikos |
mchua_: I would say sugar-devel |
15:48 |
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mchua_: and copy fedora-olpc? |
15:49 |
mchua_ |
#action mchua make sure test cases, results management system, publicity are done as per http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/[…]st_Day_management |
15:49 |
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erikos: worksforme |
15:49 |
sdziallas |
#action mchua make sure test cases, results management system, publicity are done as per http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/[…]st_Day_management |
15:49 |
erikos |
mchua_: and of course the soas ist |
15:49 |
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s/ist/list |
15:49 |
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wonders if sdziallas is a papagei |
15:49 |
sdziallas |
no, just somebody who gets the docs in the meetbot. |
15:50 |
erikos |
sdziallas: :) |
15:50 |
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sdziallas: what else on our list? |
15:51 |
mchua_ |
papagei? |
15:51 |
sdziallas |
I think we are done? |
15:51 |
mchua_ |
looks that word up in the dictionary |
15:51 |
sdziallas |
#TOPIC Open Floor |
15:51 |
erikos |
sdziallas: about freezes I just pretend we are good |
15:51 |
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sdziallas: i can ask peter again next time about details |
15:52 |
sdziallas |
erikos: ayup, I forgot about that. Ouch. sorry. |
15:52 |
erikos |
sdziallas: we do not need to discus that now |
15:52 |
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sdziallas: all fine |
15:52 |
sdziallas |
erikos: I guess we should just continue packaging stuff. And if somebody complains, I'll yell at them. |
15:52 |
erikos |
sdziallas: right - next monday we are done with features anyhow |
15:52 |
sdziallas |
I dunno what's currently going on with Fedora, in terms of Bodhi. |
15:53 |
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As in, whether we do have a 7 day delay for updates or not. |
15:53 |
erikos |
sdziallas: well, if anything breaks testers have to install 3 rpms |
15:53 |
sdziallas |
grins, nods. |
15:53 |
erikos |
sdziallas: i will do a test with the rpm |
15:54 |
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sdziallas: i am sure satellit__ can too |
15:54 |
sdziallas |
erikos: okeydokey. either me or peter should be able to package the latest stuff, we'll take care of getting these done. |
15:54 |
erikos |
one more karma point and we are good... |
15:54 |
sdziallas |
:) |
15:54 |
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erikos: can you send me a link? |
15:54 |
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(can we wrap this meeting otherwise?) |
15:54 |
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mchua: ? |
15:54 |
satellit__ |
+1 for rpm's |
15:54 |
erikos |
satellit__: nice |
15:55 |
satellit__ |
need link |
15:55 |
erikos |
sdziallas: a link to what? |
15:55 |
mchua_ |
erikos: oh - side note, re: 0.90 talking points - the fedora deadline is technically past, so the sooner we can get to it, the better (I really just need a data dump) |
15:55 |
erikos |
satellit__: i will post on the ml then |
15:55 |
sdziallas |
erikos: the update which needs a karma point. :) |
15:55 |
erikos |
sdziallas: sure I mail to the list and cc you guys |
15:55 |
sdziallas |
erikos: awesome, thanks. |
15:55 |
mchua_ |
erikos: if they're out before the test day I can advertise them simultaneously ("come test sugar 0.90 which has these shiny new features A B and C") |
15:56 |
erikos |
mchua: sure, will do |
15:56 |
sdziallas |
Alright. Anything else? |
15:56 |
erikos |
not from me |
15:56 |
sdziallas |
:) |
15:56 |
mchua_ |
Date of our next meeting? |
15:56 |
erikos |
mchua_: good point |
15:57 |
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mchua_: next monday? or is that too close? |
15:57 |
sdziallas |
Next Monday won't work, I'll be on the road then. |
15:57 |
mchua_ |
As will I. |
15:57 |
erikos |
ok |
15:57 |
sdziallas |
And the week thereafter, orientation starts at Olin. In two weeks, pbrobinson and mchua might be able to steer, though. |
15:57 |
mchua_ |
I can chair a meeting the Monday after that, though. |
15:57 |
erikos |
we can coordinate via email |
15:57 |
mchua_ |
So, 2 weeks from now would workforme. |
15:58 |
erikos |
sounds good |
15:58 |
sdziallas |
#AGREED next meeting in 2 weeks. |
15:58 |
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#endmeeting |