| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 15:02 | sdziallas | meeting time! |
| 15:02 | #chair mchua pbrobinson sdziallas | |
| 15:02 | #topic Sugar on a Stick meeting (2010/07/05) | |
| 15:02 | #action somebody to nag bernie to get a newer meetbot | |
| 15:03 | #action sdziallas to setup meeting reminder emails for the list | |
| 15:03 | mchua | Actually, I know how to do the meetbot setup now |
| 15:03 | I'll file a ticket and note that I can do the work if given access | |
| 15:03 | does that now | |
| 15:03 | sdziallas | that's what I had in mind, now we're getting into the real agenda :) |
| 15:04 | #topic Release Schedule | |
| 15:04 | #link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]#Release_schedule | |
| 15:04 | Nothing immediate coming up, feature freeze later this months. Reminders will go out later in July. Moving on. | |
| 15:04 | #topic Features Requests | |
| 15:05 | #link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]mitted_for_review | |
| 15:05 | #topic ASLOxo USB Installer | |
| 15:05 | #link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]Oxo-USB-Installer | |
| 15:06 | pbrobinson | I dob't believe this is really a SoaS feature |
| 15:06 | mchua | #link http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2078 - meetbot ticket, for the record |
| 15:06 | sdziallas: I'd like to come back to the release schedule in a bit if we have time, btw | |
| 15:06 | sdziallas | mchua: okeydokey, noted! |
| 15:07 | mchua | agrees that it's not a SoaS feature, but it is a cool project |
| 15:07 | sdziallas | yup. |
| 15:07 | pbrobinson | mchua: agreed that its a cool project! |
| 15:08 | mchua | satellit__: would it help if there were a wiki page template for projects, so you can get project pages for your stuff up? it's great work, and you *totally* don't have to wait or ask for feature approval to do it since you're actually making things that aren't a subset of SL's existing projects |
| 15:09 | satellit__ | Yes it would be nice to get a left bar listing for projects? |
| 15:11 | JT4sugar | pbrobinson, Think you should think of getting it in. Having activities available locally will help in locations with spotty connectivity which are many. Also helps with testing of all activities. A very nice enhancement |
| 15:11 | mchua | satellit__: ok - that's outside the scope of the SoaS meeting, but tell you what... let's set up a time thursday or friday after I fly to california to sit down online and work on that before SLOBs |
| 15:11 | satellit__: so just pick anytime thursday and let me know | |
| 15:11 | satellit__ | I still am thinking of sneaker net installs |
| 15:11 | pbrobinson | JT4sugar: who is going to package and QA 140 packages? |
| 15:11 | satellit__ | They are on ASLO |
| 15:12 | mchua | JT4sugar: I think what we're trying to say is "this is an awesome project, we hope Tom continues with it, it's also not part of SoaS" |
| 15:12 | just like the DVD is a separate yet related project | |
| 15:12 | this is another thing that works well *with* SoaS but is outside the scope of "make a liveusb-bootable distro with Sugar on it" | |
| 15:13 | pbrobinson | JT4sugar: It will also double the size of the .iso which makes it harder to download for those that don't have the bandwidth to download it in the first place and don't need 150 Activities |
| 15:13 | satellit__ | pbrobinson: this was never intended to be included on the .iso |
| 15:14 | mchua | yeah, I read it as a separate project |
| 15:14 | (also, can you imagine 150 activities in home view? ouch!) | |
| 15:14 | (I know, I know, list view.) | |
| 15:14 | JT4sugar | mchua, Ok. It was up for discussion as a feature. If we can get into field together without it being a feature in SoaS thats fine with me |
| 15:14 | pbrobinson | satellit__: I realise that, but then by definition it is not part of SoaS |
| 15:14 | mchua | JT4sugar: oh, totally - I think satellit__ should keep on working on it |
| 15:14 | satellit__ | ok |
| 15:14 | mchua | JT4sugar: i mean, this is an open source community, folks can work on whatever they want, they don't have to ask for permission :) |
| 15:15 | sdziallas | would like to wrap this convo and move on. |
| 15:15 | mchua | +1 |
| 15:15 | sdziallas | #agreed ASLOxo Installer *is* an awesome project that is related to SoaS, however not part of the latter |
| 15:16 | next up: | |
| 15:16 | #topic Revised Browse Page | |
| 15:16 | #link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/F[…]lt-bookmarks.html | |
| 15:17 | Thoughts? | |
| 15:18 | mchua | Well, satellit__ did commit the change, http://git.sugarlabs.org/proje[…]64168d5d8c98a8178, so it's testable |
| 15:18 | satellit__: this was intended to be a patch *just* for SoaS? not upstream Browse? | |
| 15:18 | satellit__ | yes |
| 15:19 | pbrobinson | mchua: that was my original suggestion |
| 15:19 | mchua | that's the part I'm a bit fuzzy on - okay, so the goal is *not* to get this patch committed to upstream Browse, the feature proposal is for SoaS to carry that small patch. |
| 15:19 | (as I understand it - trying to make sure I'm clear on what's happening first) | |
| 15:19 | satellit__ | the concept could be extended but the intention was for soas v4 |
| 15:19 | mchua | satellit__: I may have asked this before, but... why not push it to upstream Browse? That way *all* of Sugar will have it as a feature. |
| 15:21 | satellit__ | I thought it would meet opposition from others but it could be used that way... maybe targeted start pages like os240py uses |
| 15:22 | my example is mirabelle specific... | |
| 15:22 | mchua | It could be updated for each Sugar release. |
| 15:22 | satellit__ | yes |
| 15:22 | mchua | I don't know what release cycle the Browse folks are using, but it seems logical that could be updated every 6 months for each new Sugar release |
| 15:22 | because it's such a tiny change | |
| 15:23 | just updating the links to new Activities, etc. | |
| 15:23 | satellit__ | the key is it points to a wiki page that can be edited |
| 15:24 | mchua | so actually, here's my suggestion. |
| 15:24 | the patch is very small - it points the Browse homepage to a wiki page, which as Tom pointed out is editable. | |
| 15:25 | I think that's a good idea - it gives a ton of flexibility. | |
| 15:25 | and then we can worry about the wiki page, which can be edited by anyone at any time without needing to go through a feature process, push a patch, etc. | |
| 15:25 | so what I'd propose is that we take this patch, make it generic so it doesn't say "Mirabelle" on it - branch the links out so they point to fairly generic wiki pages | |
| 15:26 | try to get the Browse maintainers to adopt that patch | |
| 15:26 | and then just work on the individual wiki pages, since there's nothing blocking that | |
| 15:26 | that makes it such a tiny/easy change that we wouldn't normally even have to +1 it as a feature | |
| 15:27 | sdziallas | I... think I'd +1 that. :) |
| 15:27 | mchua | but since that makes it very easy to do, we could then use this as a little example of how features work - upstreams, downstreams, etc. that makes a small but obvious change. |
| 15:27 | pbrobinson | mchua: sounds good to me too |
| 15:27 | mchua | (as in, "here's an example of how features get made and how stuff happens" that isn't "woooo look at lots of code that nobody can understand") |
| 15:27 | satellit__: thoughts? I'd be more than happy to sit down tih you in Portland and do this. | |
| 15:27 | er, with you. | |
| 15:27 | I can't type! | |
| 15:27 | satellit__ | great... |
| 15:28 | mchua | Now who wants to copy that into an #agreed? :) |
| 15:28 | sdziallas | mchua: you're chair, too ;) |
| 15:29 | mchua | so it sounds like we are +1 to this feature with that implementation? |
| 15:29 | I can help Thomas push it through. | |
| 15:29 | sdziallas: oh fine. :P | |
| 15:29 | satellit__ | with the update capability from fedora this can be specific and targeted... |
| 15:29 | sdziallas | mchua: (I hope this meetbot supports #chair, but... yeah) |
| 15:29 | mchua | It does, it said so at the beginning when you #chaired us |
| 15:29 | #agreed Browse start page feature accepted - mchua is the feature sponsor | |
| 15:30 | satellit__ | thanks..... |
| 15:30 | mchua | #info Implementation: genericize patch, push to upstream Browse, edit wiki pages it links to - use this as an example of the feature process, as it's simple but an obvious change |
| 15:30 | sdziallas | (hah, sounds like I should read better about what the bot tells me, heh.) |
| 15:31 | mchua | hm, "clearly visible and easily to understand" is probably better than "obvious" but anyway... |
| 15:31 | satellit__: so go ahead and move it to the "accepted" section of the features list, and let me know when you're going to be in Portland and we'll sit down and work on it then. | |
| 15:31 | and then if we have time in Portland, testing. :) but we should be able to get this done in one short sprint. | |
| 15:31 | looking forward to meeting satellit__ in person | |
| 15:32 | what's next? | |
| 15:32 | satellit__ | mchua; ok I think we said the 21st at noon? |
| 15:32 | sdziallas | #topic Testing Process |
| 15:32 | #link http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/S[…]s#Testing_process | |
| 15:32 | mchua | satellit__: noon? I think that works for me... we'll find each other online that week, er... should get back to the meeting :) |
| 15:32 | </offtopic!> | |
| 15:33 | #info Chris Tyler wrote us a script! Mel has not tested it yet | |
| 15:33 | #link http://blog.melchua.com/2010/0[…]loading/#comments | |
| 15:34 | #info we have weekly builds and a place to find/keep them, and testers waiting, and some test cases and a place to put them (thanks to satellit__) | |
| 15:34 | so I think all we need to do this week is pick *one* for everyone to run, to see if this works | |
| 15:34 | and just.. do it. | |
| 15:34 | sdziallas | mchua: it's in the ticket, we apparently just need to crontab it. I'd like to pass that off to somebody not me. :) |
| 15:34 | #link http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2058 | |
| 15:34 | mchua | I'm kicking infra this week anyway, I'll keep poking at that. |
| 15:35 | sdziallas | Awesome! |
| 15:35 | mchua | #action mchua bug infra about #2058 (weekly build script crontabbing) |
| 15:35 | sdziallas | can move on or do we have more here? |
| 15:35 | (thanks mchua!) | |
| 15:36 | mchua | that's it from me |
| 15:37 | satellit__: I will probably poke you at some point to help me pick a test case - stick installation methods + one cool Activity test, I think | |
| 15:37 | sdziallas | alright cool! |
| 15:37 | mchua | #action mchua and satellit__ kick off the first weekly test party |
| 15:37 | sdziallas | #topic SoaS Scripts? |
| 15:37 | satellit__ | ok |
| 15:37 | mchua | has to drop out for a moment to drive, back at the end of the hour |
| 15:37 | sdziallas | pbrobinson: is that still current or can we drop that from the agenda? |
| 15:37 | mchua: we're almost done :) | |
| 15:38 | pbrobinson | sdziallas: sorry, was not keeping up |
| 15:40 | sdziallas | pbrobinson: no worries :) |
| 15:40 | pbrobinson | sdziallas: sorry, we've not managed to meet up to cover that off. My fault as I've been travelling and moving house. Will follow that up this week |
| 15:41 | mchua | pbrobinson: sdziallas: before I run I was going to bring up Activity selection / selection criteria |
| 15:41 | sdziallas | pbrobinson: naw, that's cool :) (not your fault) |
| 15:41 | mchua | we should figure out (by whatever means) which ones we want to target - fructose, whatever |
| 15:41 | sdziallas | mchua: ayup! let me pull out my list real quick |
| 15:41 | #topic Activity Selection | |
| 15:41 | mchua | and where the bar is going to be set |
| 15:42 | and start poking Activity authors | |
| 15:42 | sdziallas | (afterwards I'd like to wrap this meeting) |
| 15:42 | mchua | pbrobinson: you may recall that lunchtime conversation better than I do |
| 15:42 | sdziallas | On my list I have (to be worked out): Maze / Implode / Paint (or replacement) / Memorize |
| 15:42 | mchua | but "it doesn't count unless it's documented," so ;) |
| 15:42 | --> off, back to read backlog later | |
| 15:43 | pbrobinson | I believe it should be, and the conversation was, the core sucrose/fructose list |
| 15:43 | sdziallas | (others that came up were: Physics / Speak) |
| 15:43 | (but we ship these already) | |
| 15:43 | mhms. | |
| 15:44 | We should probably work out a list of which activities we want to get ready and... yeah, mchua is right, poke their authors and stuff. | |
| 15:44 | pbrobinson | plus anything else that assists in delivering the requirements of EU language support (so we can be supported in the EU) and also what is required for K-6 in the USA requirements (that doesn't open the flood gates though) |
| 15:44 | sdziallas | #action activity list to be worked on by the release team, discussion will also happen on-list |
| 15:45 | satellit__ | words 4 is nice |
| 15:45 | pbrobinson | so that's where Physics/Speak and possibly _some_ others which move us towards that goal |
| 15:45 | BUT they need to have an active upstream | |
| 15:45 | sdziallas | nods. |
| 15:47 | I guess we can agree on that. | |
| 15:48 | Anything else for today or are we good? :) | |
| 15:48 | pbrobinson | so maybe we need to come up with a suggested list, put it out to the SoaS list and gather feedback, and the make the decision from there? I can do the mail and initial list |
| 15:48 | sdziallas | pbrobinson: yup, that sounds good! |
| 15:48 | pbrobinson: I'll action that, thanks! | |
| 15:49 | #action pbrobinson to take care of keeping the list in the loop regarding activity selection | |
| 15:49 | pbrobinson | sdziallas: thanks! |
| 15:49 | sdziallas | awesome! :) |
| 15:50 | Closing in 5. | |
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| 15:50 | *pooof* | |
| 15:51 | #endmeeting |