| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:06 | CanoeBerry | Sure. |
| 12:06 | SeanDaly | me too |
| 12:06 | mchua | I'm just listening in and shooting logs to list once the meeting's over, I think I've said most of what I wanted to say - that we need to get our house in order as a FOSS project first (get maintainers, get testing, etc) before we can do much else. |
| 12:07 | sits back, listens. | |
| 12:07 | satellit__ | walterbender: I am not sure I am able to build such a DVD.iso but I will make an attempt If you like...maybe with blueberry-direct (ext3) .img from bernie plus instructions and other instructional files... |
| 12:08 | walterbender | satellit_it would be a huge win in terms of making it easier to distribute |
| 12:08 | satellit__ | ok |
| 12:09 | will upload to Tgillard when I am ready with it..... | |
| 12:09 | have to go...... | |
| 12:09 | walterbender | ciao |
| 12:12 | mchua | reads up to see what the discussion on goals was before |
| 12:12 | SeanDaly: you said something about goals that addressed our main barriers to adoption - installation and unfamiliarity? | |
| 12:12 | is there anything else you wanted to bring up on that? | |
| 12:14 | We have scarce resources to allocate, it's true - so knowing where to aim our capacity-building will help us get more of those resources in the medium term (in the "couple of months" time scale). | |
| 12:14 | SeanDaly | mchua: yes we need to lower those barriers |
| 12:15 | CanoeBerry | mchua: later i want to hear more about RIT and your visits there if you can. |
| 12:15 | mchua | CanoeBerry: Happy to tell the story now, too. |
| 12:15 | SeanDaly: Any particular things you'd like to see for 2010 re: lowering those barriers? | |
| 12:17 | CanoeBerry | Here's one way to dramatically lower barries to entry to Sugar & XO -- help us polish Walter's Getting Started in Washington DC Mch 27/28: |
| 12:17 | http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Start | |
| 12:18 | SeanDaly | mchua: yes, for installation we need 1) bulletproof SoaS 2) OEM preinstall referencing |
| 12:18 | mchua | CanoeBerry: aye, but a 2010 goal? ;) |
| 12:18 | SeanDaly: er, could you explain #2 a bit? | |
| 12:18 | CanoeBerry | mchua: 2010 yes, and beyond, why? |
| 12:18 | mchua | SeanDaly: "companies selling SoaS pre-burned onto thumbdrives?" |
| 12:19 | SeanDaly | mchua: foor unfamiliarity barrier we need to present the Sugar interface in some way that does not involve installation |
| 12:19 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: it would be nice to have a version suitable to include on SoaS in the Browse startup... |
| 12:19 | mchua | CanoeBerry: Well, I'm logging this convo because we were trying to wind down the goals discussion from the SLOBs meeting, so I'm trying to steer everything in the direction of "does this help us figure out our 2010 goals?" |
| 12:19 | SeanDaly | OEM = Intel Classmate, Dell Latitide 2100 education netbook, &c |
| 12:19 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: but it would have to be less OLPC-centric. |
| 12:19 | CanoeBerry | http://laptop.org/start will be in many more languages than just English if we do a good job this time! |
| 12:20 | mchua | SeanDaly: That would imply the support/QA bandwidth to handle those users - folks usually expect some sort of support if they pay for a thing. |
| 12:20 | walterbender | SeanDaly: a css/javascript emulation, perhaps... |
| 12:20 | mchua | Even if you tell them not to expect any formal support, as CanoeBerry can attest. ;) |
| 12:20 | CanoeBerry | walterbender: not sure I understand |
| 12:21 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: which thread? |
| 12:21 | CanoeBerry | walterbender: it's ok, but i'm not sure i understand your disagreement above |
| 12:22 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: disagreement? |
| 12:23 | CanoeBerry | CanoeBerry: if you are asking for a change to Mike Lee & my pushing people to lower barriers to entry around Getting Started, yes |
| 12:23 | SeanDaly | mchua: what users? |
| 12:23 | CanoeBerry | walterbender: oops, didn't mean to speak to myself |
| 12:24 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: I wasn't trying to derail the DC work, just wondering out loud if we can further leverage it for SoaS... |
| 12:25 | CanoeBerry | Anyway Mike Lee's working hard on your Javascript from 2007 :) |
| 12:26 | mchua | SeanDaly: ones that would purchase from OEM. |
| 12:26 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: I need to dust off my JS skills... I was so much younger then... |
| 12:27 | CanoeBerry | walterbender: your approach was golden simple-- Mike Lee & all of us have to figure out how to keep that, while introducing more languages etc |
| 12:27 | walterbender | CanoeBerry: there is some work on i18n for JS... maybe the Karmac folks know... |
| 12:28 | SeanDaly | mchua: OLPC is an OEM and has well over 1 million users, none of wjom are directly supported by SL |
| 12:28 | mchua: Dell sells directly into education buyer channel and has local partners for support | |
| 12:28 | tomeu | well, walterbender asks questions about turtleart in olpc-sur ;) |
| 12:29 | SeanDaly | mchua: Intel has over 40 partners who assemble the Classmate under favorable licensing terms, and sell either to govs, edu depts, or the public |
| 12:30 | mchua: we are not now, and won't be, able to support 10 million users ourselves; that's why local Labs need to proliferate and system vendors build a services model which included support | |
| 12:31 | walterbender | SeanDaly: I agree with where you are heading, but in fact the OLPC deployments, for the most part, do interact directly with SL |
| 12:31 | SeanDaly: and lean on us for some support... | |
| 12:32 | SeanDaly: tomeu, bernie, et al. are shaping that engagement in a way that hopefully will lead to a more distributed dev. and support model. | |
| 12:32 | SeanDaly: tomeu in .uy and bernie in .py | |
| 12:32 | mchua | nods. I think a lot of it is expectation-setting, and it's good to see that continuously happening. |
| 12:33 | tomeu | wonders often about what happened with .pe |
| 12:33 | SeanDaly | Sure, but deployments <> end users |
| 12:33 | the model that works is a chain, from local proximate support, to region, to OEM and SL | |
| 12:33 | depending on the issue | |
| 12:34 | for sure, more interaction with deployments very very positive | |
| 12:34 | walterbender | tomeu: .pe is making headway, but it has been slower to accept a direct role by community players |
| 12:35 | SeanDaly: I think a big stumbling block for potential OEMs is the support issue. If we can demonstrate that the local community/global community model works, for the Sugar bits at least, then we would lower the pain threshold for potential OEMs | |
| 12:36 | SeanDaly | walterbender: yes, agree with analysis (although have had only brief contact with Dell and none as yet with Intel) |
| 12:37 | walterbender | SeanDaly: I should connect you with the Intel folks... |
| 12:37 | SeanDaly | yes you had showed me a mail from them but yes pls what you have |
| 12:37 | contacts | |
| 12:42 | mchua | is the 2010 goals discussion pretty much wrapped up by now? |
| 12:43 | I'm not sure the OEM stuff fits in 2010 goals, but I could be wrong. ;) | |
| 12:45 | SeanDaly | mchua: it's absolutely 2010 if a goal is to lower the installation barrier |
| 12:46 | any OEM deal would radically change Sugar's status as an option for schools | |
| 12:46 | mchua | SeanDaly: "Have a preinstalled Sugar-running device available for individual purchase"? |
| 12:47 | hesitant to scope that further until we get things like "core Activity maintenance" in order | |
| 12:49 | has to head out for a bit, will be back to close logs and send notes to list later. | |
| 12:49 | Any further 2010 goals braindumping, put 'em here. | |
| 12:51 | SeanDaly | no, more like "obtain referenced status for Sugar on education-targeted hardware" |
| 12:53 | cjb | mchua_afk: maybe #endmeeting time? |
| 12:53 | oh, you said that already, ok | |
| 13:01 | walterbender | dogi: hi.. |
| 13:01 | dogi: I | |
| 13:01 | dogi | hi walterbender |
| 13:01 | walterbender | dogi: I'll be at MIT next Wednesday... |
| 13:01 | dogi: maybe we can meet to catch up? | |
| 13:02 | SeanDaly | needs to log off |
| 13:03 | tomeu | SeanDaly: cheers! |
| 13:04 | SeanDaly | bye |
| 13:07 | CanoeBerry | walterbender: is dogi/mel/anybody here around MIT today? yourself? |
| 13:08 | RIT scheduling should be discussed around Apr 29 - May 1 too! | |
| 13:09 | walterbender | I am not on campus again until Wed. |
| 13:16 | dogi | back |
| 13:17 | walterbender, yes will around wednesday | |
| 13:24 | mchua_afk | #endmeeting |
| 13:24 | mchua | #endmeeting |